These forums have been archived and are now read-only.

The new forums are live and can be found at https://forums.eveonline.com/

EVE General Discussion

 
  • Topic is locked indefinitely.
 

CCP - promoting AFK mining and botting with the new barges.
Author
Previous Topic Next Topic
Richard Desturned
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#41 - 2012-07-25 12:56:53 UTC
Barbara Nichole wrote:
Richard Desturned wrote:
Barbara Nichole wrote:
Are you claiming that somehow barges did not need the attention?.. or are you just whining as always?


generally ships need attention when they are underused


that's one reason anyway....


ships either need attention when they're so worthless that they're underused, or terribly overpowered and overused

nobody was flying mining barges or exhumers, especially not hulks

npc alts have no opinions worth consideration
Danny Diamonds
Fabricated Reality
#42 - 2012-07-25 13:01:06 UTC
Richard Desturned wrote:
Barbara Nichole wrote:
Richard Desturned wrote:
Barbara Nichole wrote:
Are you claiming that somehow barges did not need the attention?.. or are you just whining as always?


generally ships need attention when they are underused


that's one reason anyway....


ships either need attention when they're so worthless that they're underused, or terribly overpowered and overused

nobody was flying mining barges or exhumers, especially not hulks



If there were only 5 combat ships to choose from, I bet we would see a lot of use in one ship there as well. Miners do not have the options available to them that PVE/PVP pilots do. To somehow claim that Hulks are broke because they are used by many miners is terribly short-sighted.
Barbara Nichole
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#43 - 2012-07-25 13:01:09 UTC
Richard Desturned wrote:
Barbara Nichole wrote:
Quote:
I'm bothered by the random tank buff the Mack is getting. It dilutes the Skiff's role, and it means that you really won't need to keep an eye out for gankers as you do now..



really?! random huh? The Mack had a real problem fitting a tank up til now. with not enough resourse to fit a proper tank, something did need to be done. are you pretending it didn't? miners will always have to watch for gankers. cry baby.


yeah because the appropriate response was to give it the EHP of a well-tanked HAC without the need for any hardeners

"miners can't figure out how to fit their ships, let's just do it for them"


no, the appropriate response as to nerf barges to paper thin so the tiniest cheap combat ship only would have to breath on them hard to for a kill. Roll

  - remove the cloaked from local; free intel is the real problem, not  "afk" cloaking -

[IMG]http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a208/DawnFrostbringer/consultsig.jpg[/IMG]
Richard Desturned
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#44 - 2012-07-25 13:01:55 UTC  |  Edited by: Richard Desturned
Barbara Nichole wrote:
no, the appropriate response as to nerf barges to paper thin so the tiniest cheap combat ship only would have to breath on them hard to for a kill. Roll


the appropriate response was to leave them alone because they're working as intended

"oh, you got blown up by a catalyst? welcome to EVE, fit a tank"

unless you're a hisec miner, of course, because they're the protected class

npc alts have no opinions worth consideration
Richard Desturned
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#45 - 2012-07-25 13:06:38 UTC
Danny Diamonds wrote:
To somehow claim that Hulks are broke because they are used by many miners is terribly short-sighted.


to claim that hulks need a boost in any sense in spite of the fact that they are so heavily used is terribly short-sighted

npc alts have no opinions worth consideration
Danny Diamonds
Fabricated Reality
#46 - 2012-07-25 13:09:39 UTC
Richard Desturned wrote:
Danny Diamonds wrote:
To somehow claim that Hulks are broke because they are used by many miners is terribly short-sighted.


to claim that hulks need a boost in any sense in spite of the fact that they are so heavily used is terribly short-sighted


I never claimed that. Stop making **** up.
Richard Desturned
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#47 - 2012-07-25 13:11:52 UTC
Danny Diamonds wrote:
Richard Desturned wrote:
Danny Diamonds wrote:
To somehow claim that Hulks are broke because they are used by many miners is terribly short-sighted.


to claim that hulks need a boost in any sense in spite of the fact that they are so heavily used is terribly short-sighted


I never claimed that. Stop making **** up.


and I never said that hulks should be nerfed, but left alone

npc alts have no opinions worth consideration
Charles Baker
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#48 - 2012-07-25 13:14:41 UTC
Delicious goontears, awaits upcoming Drake nerf with glee.
dexington
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#49 - 2012-07-25 13:17:06 UTC
Richard Desturned wrote:
Barbara Nichole wrote:
Richard Desturned wrote:
Barbara Nichole wrote:
Are you claiming that somehow barges did not need the attention?.. or are you just whining as always?


generally ships need attention when they are underused


that's one reason anyway....


ships either need attention when they're so worthless that they're underused, or terribly overpowered and overused

nobody was flying mining barges or exhumers, especially not hulks


The Procurer was just useless, do to the small difference in skill required to fly the Retriever, the same was true when you compare Covetor with Hulk. You used the retriever when training for hulk, and the covetor when it was not safe to use the hulk. The mack and Skiff has the specialized bonus for ice and mercoxit, which makes them usefull, but only if you decide to mine that kind of material.

Saying that because people used the ships everything was fine, is just wrong. The ships was not useless, you just did not have any choice in what you wanted to fly.

I'm a relatively respectable citizen. Multiple felon perhaps, but certainly not dangerous.
Richard Desturned
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#50 - 2012-07-25 13:28:44 UTC
dexington wrote:
The Procurer was just useless, do to the small difference in skill required to fly the Retriever, the same was true when you compare Covetor with Hulk. You used the retriever when training for hulk, and the covetor when it was not safe to use the hulk. The mack and Skiff has the specialized bonus for ice and mercoxit, which makes them usefull, but only if you decide to mine that kind of material.

Saying that because people used the ships everything was fine, is just wrong. The ships was not useless, you just did not have any choice in what you wanted to fly.


Yeah tell me more about hisec miners mining mercoxit

You have plenty of choices, it's just that you feel entitled to fly the highest yield ships at all times.

npc alts have no opinions worth consideration
Richard Desturned
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#51 - 2012-07-25 13:29:54 UTC
Charles Baker wrote:
Delicious goontears, awaits upcoming Drake nerf with glee.


pubbies, this is why we hit you

npc alts have no opinions worth consideration
dexington
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#52 - 2012-07-25 13:33:35 UTC
Richard Desturned wrote:
You have plenty of choices, it's just that you feel entitled to fly the highest yield ships at all times.


Except for price and yield the T1 ships are all the same, and the T2 ships are specialized for mining one type of material.

Please explain what you mean with "plenty of choices", mining in cruisers and battleships?

I'm a relatively respectable citizen. Multiple felon perhaps, but certainly not dangerous.
Richard Desturned
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#53 - 2012-07-25 13:36:47 UTC
dexington wrote:
Please explain what you mean with "plenty of choices", mining in cruisers and battleships?


yes, actually

npc alts have no opinions worth consideration
Danny Diamonds
Fabricated Reality
#54 - 2012-07-25 13:38:40 UTC
Richard Desturned wrote:
dexington wrote:
The Procurer was just useless, do to the small difference in skill required to fly the Retriever, the same was true when you compare Covetor with Hulk. You used the retriever when training for hulk, and the covetor when it was not safe to use the hulk. The mack and Skiff has the specialized bonus for ice and mercoxit, which makes them usefull, but only if you decide to mine that kind of material.

Saying that because people used the ships everything was fine, is just wrong. The ships was not useless, you just did not have any choice in what you wanted to fly.


Yeah tell me more about hisec miners mining mercoxit

You have plenty of choices, it's just that you feel entitled to fly the highest yield ships at all times.



So you are saying everyone should fly sub-optimal ships for every task? I do seem to recall fleets of Rifters for new players, and not many sitting in Condors. Same is true for every tier of ship. There are those worth flying, those that are clearly in the top 3, and there are those not worth flying. What kind of logic says someone should fly sub-optimal?
dexington
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#55 - 2012-07-25 13:41:18 UTC
Richard Desturned wrote:
dexington wrote:
Please explain what you mean with "plenty of choices", mining in cruisers and battleships?


yes, actually


So "plenty of choices" means T2 when you can, if not covetor and rokh when you have not other choice.... up that's plenty of choices.

I'm a relatively respectable citizen. Multiple felon perhaps, but certainly not dangerous.
Richard Desturned
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#56 - 2012-07-25 13:41:44 UTC
Danny Diamonds wrote:
So you are saying everyone should fly sub-optimal ships for every task? I do seem to recall fleets of Rifters for new players, and not many sitting in Condors. Same is true for every tier of ship. There are those worth flying, those that are clearly in the top 3, and there are those not worth flying. What kind of logic says someone should fly sub-optimal?


believe it or not there was once a time when battleship mining reigned

npc alts have no opinions worth consideration
Richard Desturned
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#57 - 2012-07-25 13:42:22 UTC
dexington wrote:
So "plenty of choices" means T2 when you can, if not covetor and rokh when you have not other choice.... up that's plenty of choices.


You can still fly the best yield ships, just don't whine when you get blown up.

npc alts have no opinions worth consideration
highonpop
KarmaFleet
Goonswarm Federation
#58 - 2012-07-25 13:42:49 UTC
Richard Desturned wrote:
why would you subscribe to a game just to mine imaginary minerals



I ask myself this every time I activate my strips

FC, what do?
Pinstar Colton
Sweet Asteroid Acres
#59 - 2012-07-25 13:44:37 UTC
Botters don't care about how the mining ships are setup. They can work their programming to compensate regardless. That said, CCP has been very good about catching and banning botters so the question of "Is this benefiting botters" is a non-question. Can't mine when you're banned, no matter how favorable the new mining ships are.

That leaves afk miners.

Let me ask you.. do you expect traders to be staring at the market screen 24/7? Do you expect PI colony builders to watch their planets slowly extract the materials? No! The fact that you can earn income in EVE is already supported in other fields. Mining is a bit further down the afk/isk scale. It requires more active attention than PI, but also provides more Isk/hour. It requires less attention than, say, mission running or exploring, but also has less isk potential. (And risk)

Besides, with many asteroids containing only a few cycles of ore, mining cannot truely be afk playing. Heck, the buffs to extraction rates will only make those asteroids pop faster, requireing more attention from the player if they want to maintain efficency.

In the cat-and-mouse game that is low sec, there is no shame in learning to be a better mouse.

Danny Diamonds
Fabricated Reality
#60 - 2012-07-25 13:45:27 UTC
Richard Desturned wrote:
Danny Diamonds wrote:
So you are saying everyone should fly sub-optimal ships for every task? I do seem to recall fleets of Rifters for new players, and not many sitting in Condors. Same is true for every tier of ship. There are those worth flying, those that are clearly in the top 3, and there are those not worth flying. What kind of logic says someone should fly sub-optimal?


believe it or not there was once a time when battleship mining reigned



It is crap to have an industrialist have to train in battleship skills. That is like telling a fighting pilot he has to train an industrial ship (Like a Hulk) if he wants to tank a fleet battle or Incursion.

Makes zero sense.