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CCP - promoting AFK mining and botting with the new barges.
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TheGunslinger42
All Web Investigations
#321 - 2012-07-26 13:02:32 UTC
a minor tech nerf
a buff to barge hp

i am drowning in goon tears

Goons like to pretend that its all about the evil "bots" but that is such obvious bs. Admit you just want to blow up these idiots ships - there's no shame in that, you don't need to try and justify it with crap about "bots". You're not going to convince anyone that you 'care' about the game (especially considering how many times you've set out explicitly to break aspects of it) with this drivel. And you can still report bots.

Let the awful afk no-risk hisec baddies have their fun mining veldspar for ten thousand isk per hour.
Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
#322 - 2012-07-26 13:16:18 UTC
Richard Desturned wrote:
Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:
....as if Gankers never exploited game mechanics (re: Boomerang). (sigh)


boomerang was never "a thing" until some guy talked about it on the forums and it got nerfed



Yuppers. Herr Wilkus hung his own neck on that one. Lot's to discuss about that situation fer shure.

"He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."  - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882
Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
#323 - 2012-07-26 13:34:38 UTC
Ginseng Jita wrote:
Might as well hand them golden tickets because the new barges are exactly the kind of ships AFK miners and botters will appreciate. My question is...

Why are you promoting AFK mining and botting CCP?




You have a terrible attitude towards the game of EVE. Why on Earth are you still playiing ?

GO AWAY. Laterz...............

"He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."  - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882
BoBoZoBo
MGroup9
#324 - 2012-07-26 14:13:01 UTC
Toroup wrote:
Thinking that you are a higher echelon of player simply because you enjoy doing certain a activities is asinine and just makes you look like some sort of epeen stroking prick. Do what you want and I'll do what I want. We both pay the same PLEX price.


WIN.

Primary Test Subject • SmackTalker Elite
Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
#325 - 2012-07-26 14:16:33 UTC
BoBoZoBo wrote:
Toroup wrote:
Thinking that you are a higher echelon of player simply because you enjoy doing certain a activities is asinine and just makes you look like some sort of epeen stroking prick. Do what you want and I'll do what I want. We both pay the same PLEX price.


WIN.


Yuppers.

"He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."  - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882
Ginseng Jita
PAN-EVE TRADING COMPANY
#326 - 2012-07-26 17:26:28 UTC
Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:
Ginseng Jita wrote:
Might as well hand them golden tickets because the new barges are exactly the kind of ships AFK miners and botters will appreciate. My question is...

Why are you promoting AFK mining and botting CCP?




You have a terrible attitude towards the game of EVE. Why on Earth are you still playiing ?

GO AWAY. Laterz...............


No....I love EVE. What I do not like is poorly thought out game mechanics.
Beekeeper Bob
Beekeepers Anonymous
#327 - 2012-07-26 17:28:48 UTC
Ginseng Jita wrote:
Might as well hand them golden tickets because the new barges are exactly the kind of ships AFK miners and botters will appreciate. My question is...

Why are you promoting AFK mining and botting CCP?




income?

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Lin-Young Borovskova
Doomheim
#328 - 2012-07-26 17:51:27 UTC
Ginseng Jita wrote:
Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:
Ginseng Jita wrote:
Might as well hand them golden tickets because the new barges are exactly the kind of ships AFK miners and botters will appreciate. My question is...

Why are you promoting AFK mining and botting CCP?




You have a terrible attitude towards the game of EVE. Why on Earth are you still playiing ?

GO AWAY. Laterz...............


No....I love EVE. What I do not like is poorly thought out game mechanics.




Then you should definitively stop playing Eve.

And to all those guys with their crocodile tears let me remind you the first Eve commandment: Adapt or die

brb
Ginseng Jita
PAN-EVE TRADING COMPANY
#329 - 2012-07-26 18:09:37 UTC
Lin-Young Borovskova wrote:


And to all those guys with their crocodile tears let me remind you the first Eve commandment: Adapt or die


Right, miners couldn't be troubled to fit their barges and exhumers with tanks - system all ready in place that would stop almost all ganks besides the ones that really - really - really -wanted to pop you. And you are telling us to Adapt or Die?

Now that is ironic.
BoBoZoBo
MGroup9
#330 - 2012-07-26 18:51:22 UTC
Ginseng Jita wrote:
Right, miners couldn't be troubled to fit their barges and exhumers with tanks - system all ready in place that would stop almost all ganks besides the ones that really - really - really -wanted to pop you. And you are telling us to Adapt or Die?


Sounds like a lot of conjecture here.
I would be more inclined to agree if you could narrow down real figures on:

- % of miners who did not tank and ***** about ganks
- % of miners who did tank and still ***** about ganks
- What "almost" means as a % in "stop alost all ganks" Most is a broad range (51%-99%), but you sais ALMOST.
- % of pilots who "really-really-really" want to pop you.
- Ratio of "pilots who 'really-really-really' want to pop you." and gankers who do it hoping not to pop anything.

Other than that, im inclined to deduce you dont know much about mining vessels, the point of industrial crafts, or the limitations of tanks, or how those differ from combat vessels.

You also dont know much about who the real Suicide gank victim is. Vets and those with friends know how to handle this. They know HiSec criminal flags are garbage, dont allow friendly assistance and give total advantage to the aggressor. So even having friends does not help much. Not to mention, HiSec mining is not a lot of profit, so they mine elsewhere. Who is left (really) are people starting out in this game trying to get enough money to move on. In the end, you are mostly ganking noobs, some bots, or worse, AFK pilots who aren't even there. What a challenge.

Now... If you had said the miners could take other measures like forming a cartel for price control or declaring war I would say, OK maybe you have something there. But lets face it, Alts can easily move around cartel embargos, and the war dec system sucks. They tried banding together in large numbers to attack the most current driving factor behind Hulkageddon payouts. What happened, they made it more expensive to have allies... LOL.

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Rusty Spork
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#331 - 2012-07-26 19:07:26 UTC
Giving the mining ships decent hp and ore bays is a good idea.

- Now fitting a tank is possible without castrating your yield.
- Low skilll toons can now mine profitably.

Goons and the other gankers are all butt hurt because they can't use a 2 mil isk ship to kill a 300 mil isk ship.

What kind of skill does it take to fit a dest and warp around belts until you find someone mining then shoot them?

Now they are gonna have to work to pad that kill board.

Now thier isk fountian of technium demand driven by hulkageddon is drying up and moon goo is getting fixed.

HTFU and have a nice day :)

Griefer tears are best tears.
Aya Hekki
State War Academy
Caldari State
#332 - 2012-07-26 19:15:28 UTC
Richard Desturned wrote:
Dave stark wrote:
the difference is, concord is the only defense that high sec miners have. high sec will never have intel on par with alliance intel channels in null, rarely will you have people ready to warp to you in combat ships if you really mess up and get tackled, etc.

there's a difference between "never being ganked" and "requires some effort/drawback to claim the free kill"


balancing the game around the fact that hiseccers refuse to work together and refuse to fit their ships properly is dumb


I'm sick and tired of this bulshit, i hate mining and miners with all my heart, but the truth must be told....
"Fit a tank" ? what kind of bullshit is this? are you delusional? want me to point you out to the hulk killmails with huge tanks? yes that's right! 2-3 cats with t1 **** can still gank it. is that normal? you don't see anything wrong with this? and the comments on those mails were almos all alike "good tank but not enough"

and my point of view on this suicide gank idiocy, why should it be profitable in the first place? I gank a guy that i hate, for the pleasure of killing him only, this can still be achieved easily.
tell me again, why are you ganking random people with no skill alts with almost no cost and no risk? you would say "because it is fun hahaha", i will say exactly!! it is fun, so do it to have fun only.. but expect to lose some isk doing so like any other normal PvPer out there, am i right?

about your nonsense that goons made high sec mining even more profitable than the null sec .. are you listening to yourself? no thanks, i would rather the high sec minerals be less profitable Mr goony.

no tl;dr version for you lazy ones out there, read my wall of text Twisted
Ginseng Jita
PAN-EVE TRADING COMPANY
#333 - 2012-07-26 19:22:48 UTC
Aya Hekki wrote:
Richard Desturned wrote:
Dave stark wrote:
the difference is, concord is the only defense that high sec miners have. high sec will never have intel on par with alliance intel channels in null, rarely will you have people ready to warp to you in combat ships if you really mess up and get tackled, etc.

there's a difference between "never being ganked" and "requires some effort/drawback to claim the free kill"


balancing the game around the fact that hiseccers refuse to work together and refuse to fit their ships properly is dumb


I'm sick and tired of this bulshit, i hate mining and miners with all my heart, but the truth must be told....
"Fit a tank" ? what kind of bullshit is this? are you delusional? want me to point you out to the hulk killmails with huge tanks? yes that's right! 2-3 cats with t1 **** can still gank it. is that normal? you don't see anything wrong with this? and the comments on those mails were almos all alike "good tank but not enough"

and my point of view on this suicide gank idiocy, why should it be profitable in the first place? I gank a guy that i hate, for the pleasure of killing him only, this can still be achieved easily.
tell me again, why are you ganking random people with no skill alts with almost no cost and no risk? you would say "because it is fun hahaha", i will say exactly!! it is fun, so do it to have fun only.. but expect to lose some isk doing so like any other normal PvPer out there, am i right?

about your nonsense that goons made high sec mining even more profitable than the null sec .. are you listening to yourself? no thanks, i would rather the high sec minerals be less profitable Mr goony.

no tl;dr version for you lazy ones out there, read my wall of text Twisted


Show me a well tanked hulk that was ganked in high-sec with 3 catalyst.
Korsiri
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#334 - 2012-07-26 19:35:12 UTC
Ginseng Jita wrote:
Might as well hand them golden tickets because the new barges are exactly the kind of ships miners will appreciate. My question is...

Why are you promoting harder ganks???



fixored for you ^_^
Pipa Porto
#335 - 2012-07-26 22:43:59 UTC
Aya Hekki wrote:
I'm sick and tired of this bulshit, i hate mining and miners with all my heart, but the truth must be told....
"Fit a tank" ? what kind of bullshit is this? are you delusional? want me to point you out to the hulk killmails with huge tanks? yes that's right! 2-3 cats with t1 **** can still gank it. is that normal? you don't see anything wrong with this? and the comments on those mails were almos all alike "good tank but not enough"


Stop lying. A Hulk can easily be tanked to make it unprofitable to gank in any Sec band. Put it in a highish sec band and it becomes prohibitively expensive to gank it.

EvE: Everyone vs Everyone

-RubyPorto
Doc Severide
Doomheim
#336 - 2012-07-26 23:31:46 UTC
Ginseng Jita wrote:
I run a mining corp on another account. Don't think I don't know about mining and what it takes to run a corp, or about mining in this game in general. I, as a player, am competing against players that do use bots and mine 23/7. I want to know what CCP is going to do to counter that problem now that they are just making easier for botters and AFK miners. This "oh we just banned a few miners for *two weeks* is not solving the problem.

People that cheat and use outside means(not built into the game) to play EVE hurts my game. I want to know what CCP is going to do about it sense they have now made it easier for people to do it.

My Advice !!!

Relax...
Aya Hekki
State War Academy
Caldari State
#337 - 2012-07-26 23:40:52 UTC
Pipa Porto wrote:
Aya Hekki wrote:
yes that's right! 2-3 cats with t1 **** can still gank it. is that normal? you don't see anything wrong with this? and the comments on those mails were almos all alike "good tank but not enough"


Stop lying. A Hulk can easily be tanked to make it unprofitable to gank in any Sec band. Put it in a highish sec band and it becomes prohibitively expensive to gank it.


http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=13920646

one that i stumbled upon recently in the crime and punishment section, an original fit no doubt. but you cant deny that this guy sacrificed all the yield for the tank within the cpu and power capabilities of the hulk, and still got popped by 3xt1 **** fit cats.

So this is normal right?
you said "A Hulk can easily be tanked to make it unprofitable to gank in any Sec band" .. so i went out of my way and tried to fit for the max absolutely crazy tank on eft, and all i could muster was 5k more effective HP than this guy in the link... add one more **** fit cat, and yo yo job is done, still profitable no matter what, so a couple more cats in the higher sec? big deal. it is a **** fit cat with no skill alts after all.

if you want to gank in high sec cool, but you should lose isk in the process, thats how it should be..
cant wait to try and gank one of those crazy new skiff barges :)
Dave Stark
#338 - 2012-07-26 23:42:34 UTC
Aya Hekki wrote:
Pipa Porto wrote:
Aya Hekki wrote:
yes that's right! 2-3 cats with t1 **** can still gank it. is that normal? you don't see anything wrong with this? and the comments on those mails were almos all alike "good tank but not enough"


Stop lying. A Hulk can easily be tanked to make it unprofitable to gank in any Sec band. Put it in a highish sec band and it becomes prohibitively expensive to gank it.


http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=13920646

one that i stumbled upon recently in the crime and punishment section, an original fit no doubt. but you cant deny that this guy sacrificed all the yield for the tank within the cpu and power capabilities of the hulk, and still got popped by 3xt1 **** fit cats.

So this is normal right?
you said "A Hulk can easily be tanked to make it unprofitable to gank in any Sec band" .. so i went out of my way and tried to fit for the max absolutely crazy tank on eft, and all i could muster was 5k more effective HP than this guy in the link... add one more **** fit cat, and yo yo job is done, still profitable no matter what, so a couple more cats in the higher sec? big deal. it is a **** fit cat with no skill alts after all.

if you want to gank in high sec cool, but you should lose isk in the process, thats how it should be..
cant wait to try and gank one of those crazy new skiff barges :)


he deserved that for mining omber.
Pipa Porto
#339 - 2012-07-26 23:48:59 UTC
Aya Hekki wrote:
Pipa Porto wrote:
Aya Hekki wrote:
yes that's right! 2-3 cats with t1 **** can still gank it. is that normal? you don't see anything wrong with this? and the comments on those mails were almos all alike "good tank but not enough"


Stop lying. A Hulk can easily be tanked to make it unprofitable to gank in any Sec band. Put it in a highish sec band and it becomes prohibitively expensive to gank it.


http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=13920646

one that i stumbled upon recently in the crime and punishment section, an original fit no doubt. but you cant deny that this guy sacrificed all the yield for the tank within the cpu and power capabilities of the hulk, and still got popped by 3xt1 **** fit cats.

So this is normal right?
you said "A Hulk can easily be tanked to make it unprofitable to gank in any Sec band" .. so i went out of my way and tried to fit for the max absolutely crazy tank on eft, and all i could muster was 5k more effective HP than this guy in the link... add one more **** fit cat, and yo yo job is done, still profitable no matter what, so a couple more cats in the higher sec? big deal. it is a **** fit cat with no skill alts after all.

if you want to gank in high sec cool, but you should lose isk in the process, thats how it should be..
cant wait to try and gank one of those crazy new skiff barges :)


That's a terrible fit. Also, he did not sacrifice all the yield for tank. See that Survey scanner? That's a yield mod, not a tank mod.

A Hulk can fit some 34k EHP vs Blasters while still having enough EM/EXP EHP to prevent Nados from taking over.

You cannot profitably kill a 34k EHP Hulk with Catalysts in .5 space.

Go to .8 space or higher and the loss to gank you becomes fairly significant.

EvE: Everyone vs Everyone

-RubyPorto
Aya Hekki
State War Academy
Caldari State
#340 - 2012-07-27 00:00:15 UTC  |  Edited by: Aya Hekki
I'm going to assume that there wasn't enough cpu or whatever to fit anything other that that survey, those fitting cpu and grid were too low when i tried it on eft, but then again iam no miner.
i would like to see that 34k easily fitted hulk you are talking about, since as i said i tried and failed to get past 29k.

anyways, stupid max yield hulks will be everywhere as usual, and from my understanding, hulks didn't get a very large ehp buff, so why all the tears? the ones like that guy in the link is what i was talking about.. they try hard to fit a good tank, and here comes some alts with **** fits and kill him. that always seemed odd to me, and that what this update will be fixing hopefully.