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CCP - promoting AFK mining and botting with the new barges.
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Pipa Porto
#301 - 2012-07-26 03:18:46 UTC
Ginseng Jita wrote:
Pipa Porto wrote:
Ginseng Jita wrote:
Move ice fields to .6 and lower systems, and make it so players must be in a player ran corp to use barges and exhumers. Problem equalized.


You can still disband and reform a corp in about 5 minutes. At a cost of 15m to a War Dec's 50m.


Then rework the wardec system as well. :)


They just did. They don't seem to think corp hopping defenders is a problem (for whatever reason).

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Ginseng Jita
PAN-EVE TRADING COMPANY
#302 - 2012-07-26 03:20:58 UTC
Pipa Porto wrote:
Ginseng Jita wrote:
Pipa Porto wrote:
Ginseng Jita wrote:
Move ice fields to .6 and lower systems, and make it so players must be in a player ran corp to use barges and exhumers. Problem equalized.


You can still disband and reform a corp in about 5 minutes. At a cost of 15m to a War Dec's 50m.


Then rework the wardec system as well. :)


They just did. They don't seem to think corp hopping defenders is a problem (for whatever reason).


Which is stupid. If they are worried about people needing to create jump clones, make it easier to get one instead of having to rely on corps that provide the service. Just give us easier access to jump clones and watch the PvP skyrocket.
Suqq Madiq
#303 - 2012-07-26 03:39:06 UTC  |  Edited by: Suqq Madiq
Ginseng Jita wrote:
Just give us easier access to jump clones and watch the PvP skyrocket.


Seriously. Jump clones are sooo hard. Ugh, :effort: Ugh
Killrathy
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#304 - 2012-07-26 03:43:03 UTC
Remove belts from high sec

Win
Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
#305 - 2012-07-26 04:44:00 UTC
EvilweaselSA wrote:
please don't ever put "eve UI" and "AAA" in the same sentence again for any reason

ccp might get confused


They do charge AAA subscription cost, that's all what really matters.

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Pipa Porto
#306 - 2012-07-26 04:48:33 UTC
Ginseng Jita wrote:
Pipa Porto wrote:
Ginseng Jita wrote:
Pipa Porto wrote:
Ginseng Jita wrote:
Move ice fields to .6 and lower systems, and make it so players must be in a player ran corp to use barges and exhumers. Problem equalized.


You can still disband and reform a corp in about 5 minutes. At a cost of 15m to a War Dec's 50m.


Then rework the wardec system as well. :)


They just did. They don't seem to think corp hopping defenders is a problem (for whatever reason).


Which is stupid. If they are worried about people needing to create jump clones, make it easier to get one instead of having to rely on corps that provide the service. Just give us easier access to jump clones and watch the PvP skyrocket.


I'm not talking about jump clones. I'm talking about defenders quitting out of wars, which means that Wardecs are really only useful against really stupid/new people, people with HS POSes, and people with Sov (who use non-corp alts for anything important).

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-RubyPorto
Ginseng Jita
PAN-EVE TRADING COMPANY
#307 - 2012-07-26 04:58:42 UTC
Pipa Porto wrote:


I'm not talking about jump clones. I'm talking about defenders quitting out of wars, which means that Wardecs are really only useful against really stupid/new people, people with HS POSes, and people with Sov (who use non-corp alts for anything important).


I do understand where you are coming from. I also understand that many people want the ease to switch corps to get jump clones. There is an issue that clashes. It is just poorly implemented game mechanics.
Pipa Porto
#308 - 2012-07-26 05:00:59 UTC
Ginseng Jita wrote:
Pipa Porto wrote:


I'm not talking about jump clones. I'm talking about defenders quitting out of wars, which means that Wardecs are really only useful against really stupid/new people, people with HS POSes, and people with Sov (who use non-corp alts for anything important).


I do understand where you are coming from. I also understand that many people want the ease to switch corps to get jump clones. There is an issue that clashes. It is just poorly implemented game mechanics.


I'm fine with it being easy to switch Corps when there's no war on. When there's a war going, why should the Defender get the convenience of using standings based JC services? There are plenty of LS Rorq based services (and probably one or two HS ones from reimbursements/3month moves).

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baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#309 - 2012-07-26 05:02:02 UTC  |  Edited by: baltec1
Haquer wrote:
Finally I can move my capship about without it costing an arm and a leg.

Where do you guys think the new floor for isotopes will be? :allears:


At least 1/3 of what we see now. Low end minerals are also going to crash badly, just when they became worth mining. The mining equipment market is also going to crash due to far fewer sales.
Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
#310 - 2012-07-26 05:20:33 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
Haquer wrote:
Finally I can move my capship about without it costing an arm and a leg.

Where do you guys think the new floor for isotopes will be? :allears:


At least 1/3 of what we see now. Low end minerals are also going to crash badly, just when they became worth mining. The mining equipment market is also going to crash due to far fewer sales.


Unlikely.

At free bots + no Hulkageddon times the isotopes costed from 330 to 400 (nitrogen).
After CCP banned enough bots to show they were serious and Hulkageddon happened they rocked to 1300.
After Hulkageddon stopped being pushed so hard they tanked to 900. They will still drop during August.

There's still a nice markup caused by CCP's anti-bot measures.

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Big Bossu
Primal Instinct Inc.
The Initiative.
#311 - 2012-07-26 08:39:03 UTC
1. Ganking t2 fitted ships in Highsec should not be profitable. Pretty much every t2 fitted ship beyond miners are already unprofitable to gank. CCP sees an imbalance here, and miners aren't really the people who should get all the 0.0/forum hate.

2. When carebearing, no ship in 0.0 or lowsec needs to lose damage/mining yield to make them more effective vs pvp. In fact, highsec PvErs don't need to do that either. I don't understand, why should miners be forced to do that? Just because, some people hate highsec players and want to grief them? Besides, even after the changes, you can still grief them... just not as cheaply as before.
Russell Casey
Doomheim
#312 - 2012-07-26 09:58:08 UTC
While we're discussing AFK stuff....why did they put autopilot in the game?
dexington
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#313 - 2012-07-26 10:04:27 UTC
With all the people being butthurt and whining you just know ccp is doing the right thing.

I'm a relatively respectable citizen. Multiple felon perhaps, but certainly not dangerous.
Andar Purvanen
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#314 - 2012-07-26 10:17:09 UTC
dexington wrote:
With all the people being butthurt and whining you just know ccp is doing the right thing.


This.

Death does not deter.  I will mine until you surrender.
Evei Shard
Shard Industries
#315 - 2012-07-26 10:17:13 UTC  |  Edited by: Evei Shard
Russell Casey wrote:
While we're discussing AFK stuff....why did they put autopilot in the game?


Because some people will use it, and it takes a long time to travel 13km in a freighter at every gate. If you know your routes, you can determine where a freighter on autopilot is going, scan the cargo, determine if it's worth it, and have several of your friends meet you at a spot where you can pop it for fun and profit.

*edit: This is similar to how mining ships (before or after the buff) need to not be left alone in a belt where someone can warp in and use a ship scanner to check for a weak fit.

Profit favors the prepared
Zowie Powers
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#316 - 2012-07-26 11:07:53 UTC
The more people accept changes like this, the sooner Hilmar will reintroduce gold ammo. That remained his plan after he convinced you he wasn't really going to do it.

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Dave stark
#317 - 2012-07-26 11:16:46 UTC
dexington wrote:
With all the people being butthurt and whining you just know ccp is doing the right thing.

people would be butthurt and whiney if i decided to feed kittens to alligators, doesn't mean it's the right thing to do.
DSpite Culhach
#318 - 2012-07-26 11:27:51 UTC
If people are so worried about afk bot mining, has no one ever come up with a new mining mechanic that needs more micromanagement that just makes it impossible to mine afk?

I'm pretty sure that making a "bot" to do probe scans for example would be something that would likely never happen, so why not crank out an "active" mining mechanic with some degree of complexity other then "target-shoot-read book?

It could be a metagame that rewards players with better ore yealds when they stay active at the computer, and disables mining lasers if unmanaged ... although I can already hear people screaming at the idea.

I thought i heard mentioned someone from an EON article that CCP wanted to add much more complexity to the whole mining game, was that actually true?

I apparently have no idea what I'm doing.
March rabbit
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#319 - 2012-07-26 11:31:04 UTC
Richard Desturned wrote:
Sentamon wrote:
Richard Desturned wrote:
why would you subscribe to a game just to mine imaginary minerals


Probably for the same reason people join a 50k man blob to fight imaginary enemies ... and to suicide on people mining imaginary minerals.


while I'm sure you've never shot anything but an NPC, those "50k man blobs" don't fight "imaginary" enemies because there are actually other people behind them

yea. like it matters when your FC gives you target name and you press F1 to alpha-blow it... Roll

or when enemy fleet is goonswarm swarm of NPC Cool

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dexington
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#320 - 2012-07-26 12:24:14 UTC
Dave stark wrote:
dexington wrote:
With all the people being butthurt and whining you just know ccp is doing the right thing.
people would be butthurt and whiney if i decided to feed kittens to alligators, doesn't mean it's the right thing to do.


This is eve after all, feeding kittens to alligators and trolling the butthurt whiners would be a perfectly reasonable thing to do.

Every change makes people ***** and whine and tell stories about doom and the destruction of eve, and once it is in the game hardly anyone notice it, because they are busy whining about the changes in the next patch.

I'm a relatively respectable citizen. Multiple felon perhaps, but certainly not dangerous.