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CCP - promoting AFK mining and botting with the new barges.
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Lin-Young Borovskova
Doomheim
#201 - 2012-07-25 19:41:44 UTC
Richard Desturned wrote:
EpicFailTroll wrote:
Abloobloo abloobloo why can't we farm Schadenfreude easily anymore


"cold, harsh universe" ahahahahahaha not really, welcome to MLP Online



Have you considered my idea about start massively ganking haulers and missioners? -this is good for KB's and can result in some interesting buffs too that will obviously profit to null sec too.

Do it, NAO !! Lol

brb
Justin Thyme
The Salvage and Reclamation Guild
#202 - 2012-07-25 19:47:04 UTC  |  Edited by: Justin Thyme
ok, I'll throw out this oldie.
Ban use of barges from noob/npc corps. There, problem solved.
No need to figure out how to suicide the new tanked up barges.
War dec them.
If you want to work the belts with barges then form a corp by yourself.
If you can afford a 250+m isk ship you can afford the price to incorporate.

Ah, now let the retaliatory flames begin.

"Hunting rats is like mining for scrap metal... and occasionally striking gold"  I don't shoot people. That would be wrong. I do however shoot Ore Thiev...-- Justin Thyme
Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
#203 - 2012-07-25 20:07:58 UTC
Richard Desturned wrote:
Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:
... and it was so stupid that CCP implemented mining ships?


and then decided that they should never be ganked ever because, as they have shown through their actions (repeated concord buffs, removal of insurance from concord kills, mining barge HP buff) hisec miners are a protected class


It's not your business to decide what CCP does.

You are entrenched in your 0.0 blueball anyway, no?

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Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
#204 - 2012-07-25 20:20:30 UTC
Fuujin wrote:
Suqq Madiq wrote:

Another myth. They're increasing EHP, not making the ships indestructible. You speak of "guaranteed surivival(sic)" as if there is some magical bubble of immunity surrounding ships in highsec resulting in no risk whatsoever. Undocking is always a risk, no matter what ship you're in.


A hulk, properly tanked NOW, can survive solo ganks. A mack can shrug off all but the highest firepower attacks.

With the buffs, they'll require multiple people to kill. The incentive to do so drops off precipitously when you need to spend 150M+ to kill a target. At no point did I claim it was an absolute impossibility to gank barges in hisec--but as a practical matter, it will become the pastime of the rich who don't care about sustainability.

But in any case, what's done is done (or will be done), so oh well. I just await your next round of plaintive cries and whines to CCP when "mining is too unprofitable" or "bots are all over!"

Edit: I will go so far as to say that the new skiffs will be nigh-ungankable in hisec. And they'll now mine as much as a covetor.


Do you usually solo a freighter? Or an Orca? Do you 1 shot a tanked transport?
It's all stuff that by default is not worth killing "for profit" because of the cost involved.
It becomes profitable because of what they fit or hold.

So, why should ganking an empty mining or any ship be profitable per se?

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Werst Dendenahzees
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#205 - 2012-07-25 20:23:48 UTC
Caldari Acolyte wrote:
Can't wait for the TEC nerf/ Ring mining thingy. The gourmet Goon/Griefer tears will be awesome, Im buying my pails ahead of time before there sold out P


Would you believe me if I told you that we were always FOR a tech nerf? It was one of The Mittani's projects on the CSM and we have been planning for it for a while.
Richard Desturned
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#206 - 2012-07-25 20:25:20 UTC  |  Edited by: Richard Desturned
Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:
It's not your business to decide what CCP does.

You are entrenched in your 0.0 blueball anyway, no?


the gradual removal of all nonconsensual pvp from hisec is a great idea, yes

i'm sure they'll enjoy the 3-month subscriber spike followed by everyone leaving for another MMO after they shed all of their core players

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Werst Dendenahzees
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#207 - 2012-07-25 20:29:11 UTC
Justin Thyme wrote:
ok, I'll throw out this oldie.
Ban use of barges from noob/npc corps. There, problem solved.
No need to figure out how to suicide the new tanked up barges.
War dec them.
If you want to work the belts with barges then form a corp by yourself.
If you can afford a 250+m isk ship you can afford the price to incorporate.

Ah, now let the retaliatory flames begin.


Alternatively:

1. Make current NPC corps into newbie corps that you are forced to leave after 2 months.
2. Make new NPC corps where you are automatically forced into at the end of those 2 months. These corps are wardeccable. Yes, it will surely cost 500m to do so, but it would put an end to NPC logistics and mining.
Richard Desturned
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#208 - 2012-07-25 20:34:16 UTC  |  Edited by: Richard Desturned
EVE Online: Nonconsensual Ganking Eliminated (NGE for short)

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Lin-Young Borovskova
Doomheim
#209 - 2012-07-25 20:34:45 UTC
Richard Desturned wrote:
Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:
It's not your business to decide what CCP does.

You are entrenched in your 0.0 blueball anyway, no?


the gradual removal of all nonconsensual pvp from hisec is a great idea, yes

i'm sure they'll enjoy the 3-month subscriber spike followed by everyone leaving for another MMO after they shed all of their core players



The so called "core players" are more about rage quitting for peanuts and the worst costumer you can ever have, they think they deserve more than any other when in fact their a true pain in the arse for everything, those are more like dog crap on your shoes when you want to make things evolve.

Business is business, costumers come and costumers go, and the more crying bitches go the better costumers you get Blink

brb
Werst Dendenahzees
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#210 - 2012-07-25 20:36:46 UTC
Lin-Young Borovskova wrote:


Business is business, costumers come and costumers go, and the more crying bitches go the better costumers you get Blink


This is exactly why ganking and wardeccing should be made easier.
Lin-Young Borovskova
Doomheim
#211 - 2012-07-25 20:38:06 UTC
Werst Dendenahzees wrote:
Lin-Young Borovskova wrote:


Business is business, costumers come and costumers go, and the more crying bitches go the better costumers you get Blink


This is exactly why ganking and wardeccing should be made easier.



It's YOUR point of view, seems it's not EVERYONE's point of view so in the end who decides what's better for the company?

------> CCP

brb
Richard Desturned
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#212 - 2012-07-25 20:38:56 UTC
Lin-Young Borovskova wrote:
The so called "core players" are more about rage quitting for peanuts and the worst costumer you can ever have, they think they deserve more than any other when in fact their a true pain in the arse for everything, those are more like dog crap on your shoes when you want to make things evolve.

Business is business, costumers come and costumers go, and the more crying bitches go the better costumers you get Blink


those are not core players

the core players are the ones who enjoy the pvp-centric aspect of this game, UGC and an economy that is almost entirely player-driven, the ones who hope that it stays this way

those are the players who have kept this game going since 2003, not the carebears who burn out after training for a hulk/tengu/CNR and realizing that saving the damsel in distress for the 20th time isn't that exciting

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Xercodo
Cruor Angelicus
#213 - 2012-07-25 20:44:03 UTC
Richard Desturned wrote:
EpicFailTroll wrote:
Abloobloo abloobloo why can't we farm Schadenfreude easily anymore


"cold, harsh universe" ahahahahahaha not really, welcome to MLP Online


Careful, they might read that as an invitation.

Still, Richard here is hilarious to me. Claiming the sky is falling and that this change marks the beginning of the end as we know it because this little change will lead to a change that results in an indefinite string of nerfs that will inevitably remove suicide ganking and if they remove suicide ganking from EVE it will lead to a happy pony wonder land resulting in the death of all PVP and EVE itself.


...except that this is as much a nerf to suicide ganking as the ibis pilot is a contributor to total DPS in a CTA fleet...

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Justin Thyme
The Salvage and Reclamation Guild
#214 - 2012-07-25 20:45:11 UTC
Werst Dendenahzees wrote:
Lin-Young Borovskova wrote:


Business is business, costumers come and costumers go, and the more crying bitches go the better costumers you get Blink


This is exactly why ganking and wardeccing should be made easier.



Ganking should have a higher consequence than it does. You blow up a guys ship. And then come back and loot the body while the cops watch. Really.
Removing insurance was a good first step.
It shouldn't ever be impossible to gank someone.
But it should cost you if really need to do it.

"Hunting rats is like mining for scrap metal... and occasionally striking gold"  I don't shoot people. That would be wrong. I do however shoot Ore Thiev...-- Justin Thyme
Lin-Young Borovskova
Doomheim
#215 - 2012-07-25 20:46:49 UTC
Richard Desturned wrote:
Lin-Young Borovskova wrote:
The so called "core players" are more about rage quitting for peanuts and the worst costumer you can ever have, they think they deserve more than any other when in fact their a true pain in the arse for everything, those are more like dog crap on your shoes when you want to make things evolve.

Business is business, costumers come and costumers go, and the more crying bitches go the better costumers you get Blink


those are not core players

the core players are the ones who enjoy the pvp-centric aspect of this game, UGC and an economy that is almost entirely player-driven, the ones who hope that it stays this way

those are the players who have kept this game going since 2003, not the carebears who burn out after training for a hulk/tengu/CNR and realizing that saving the damsel in distress for the 20th time isn't that exciting



I'm quite sure eve will not die if those decide to gtfo tomorrow and I'm ready to bet on it. If those have nothing better to do of their life than search for whatever attention about their insignificant little person from a business company, I'd strongly advice them to try to join ONU volunteer programs and go give their sub money to help feed little kids dyeing everyday of malnutrition.

Now those yeah, fecking yeah, those are real fecking awesome people deserving a big /hat off for what they do.
Moaning and crying bitches because of pixels? -seriously? peh...

Lol

brb
Betrinna Cantis
#216 - 2012-07-25 20:47:41 UTC
There is something that has not been said here yet. When all the crying happened during Hulkageddon and the bounties were put on Barges...........ADAPT!!!!Shocked

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Jim Era
#217 - 2012-07-25 20:48:51 UTC
but if all the bitter people leave who will we have to LOL at when they take virtual seriouslys.

Wat™
BoBoZoBo
MGroup9
#218 - 2012-07-25 20:49:20 UTC
Exactly how long do you think you can Mine AFK?
Have you ever been in a Hulk?

You only think people mine AFK because they dont shoot back when you suicide gank them.

It COULD be that they don't shoot back because they are AFK
Or it could be they don't shoot back because its a MINING BARGE

(Pssss... Mining barges dont have guns)

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Justin Thyme
The Salvage and Reclamation Guild
#219 - 2012-07-25 20:49:29 UTC
Betrinna Cantis wrote:
There is something that has not been said here yet. When all the crying happened during Hulkageddon and the bounties were put on Barges...........ADAPT!!!!Shocked


Exactly.

"Hunting rats is like mining for scrap metal... and occasionally striking gold"  I don't shoot people. That would be wrong. I do however shoot Ore Thiev...-- Justin Thyme
Toroup
Prometheus Deep Core Mining and Salvage
#220 - 2012-07-25 20:49:36 UTC
Richard Desturned wrote:
Lin-Young Borovskova wrote:
The so called "core players" are more about rage quitting for peanuts and the worst costumer you can ever have, they think they deserve more than any other when in fact their a true pain in the arse for everything, those are more like dog crap on your shoes when you want to make things evolve.

Business is business, costumers come and costumers go, and the more crying bitches go the better costumers you get Blink


those are not core players

the core players are the ones who enjoy the pvp-centric aspect of this game, UGC and an economy that is almost entirely player-driven, the ones who hope that it stays this way

those are the players who have kept this game going since 2003, not the carebears who burn out after training for a hulk/tengu/CNR and realizing that saving the damsel in distress for the 20th time isn't that exciting


So how exactly do you have PVP and a player driver economy with no resources? Do your ships just appear in your hanger through some sort of space immaculate conception?

To say that any one group is more important or "core" players is ridiculous. Everyone does what they want to do. I don't like PVP - it doesn't make me any more or less important than those who do like PVP. I provide resources that allow those who do like PVP to be able to PVP.

Thinking that you are a higher echelon of player simply because you enjoy doing certain a activities is asinine and just makes you look like some sort of epeen stroking prick. Do what you want and I'll do what I want. We both pay the same PLEX price.