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CCP - promoting AFK mining and botting with the new barges.
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Ginseng Jita
PAN-EVE TRADING COMPANY
#1 - 2012-07-25 06:48:24 UTC
Might as well hand them golden tickets because the new barges are exactly the kind of ships AFK miners and botters will appreciate. My question is...

Why are you promoting AFK mining and botting CCP?

Dave stark
#2 - 2012-07-25 06:50:38 UTC
oh look; another person who has never mined in their life or is just plain clueless about how mining works.

37km3 ore bay means nothing when asteroids only contain about 5km3 of ore. -.-
Bunnie Hop
Bunny Knights
#3 - 2012-07-25 06:52:07 UTC
Ginseng Jita wrote:
Might as well hand them golden tickets because the new barges are exactly the kind of ships AFK miners and botters will appreciate. My question is...

Why are you promoting AFK mining and botting CCP?



Yes because every miner is an AFKer or a bot, just like the AFK mission runners and AFK carebear posters. The only thing AFK is any sense of proportion on this forum by posters like you.
MotherMoon
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
#4 - 2012-07-25 06:53:04 UTC
I'm pretty sure CCP promotes booting by having ships with any sort of mining bonus.

hell they could remove mining bonused ships, thus making only botters able to mine for profit.

Really anything CCP does, nerfing mining, boost mining, it all promote botting. Because CCP made it possible to mine at all

REMOVE MINING!

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Sentamon
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#5 - 2012-07-25 06:54:41 UTC
posting in stealth Nerf High-Sec thread

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Bunnie Hop
Bunny Knights
#6 - 2012-07-25 06:56:25 UTC
MotherMoon wrote:
I'm pretty sure CCP promotes booting by having ships with any sort of mining bonus.

hell they could remove mining bonused ships, thus making only botters able to mine for profit.

Really anything CCP does, nerfing mining, boost mining, it all promote botting. Because CCP made it possible to mine at all

REMOVE MINING!


yes remove mining and lose half of your subscriptions, genius! I guess the items in the game will have to just will themselves into existence with the removal of minerals.
Pipa Porto
#7 - 2012-07-25 06:58:45 UTC
Dave stark wrote:
oh look; another person who has never mined in their life or is just plain clueless about how mining works.

37km3 ore bay means nothing when asteroids only contain about 5km3 of ore. -.-


Ice Roids have pop quick, do they?

You're right, the Mack's not gonna be particularly AFK when mining Ore in HS (due to the small roids you mentioned), but it's gonna be able to work for like an hour totally hands off when chewing on Ice.

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Ginseng Jita
PAN-EVE TRADING COMPANY
#8 - 2012-07-25 06:59:13 UTC  |  Edited by: Ginseng Jita
MotherMoon wrote:
I'm pretty sure CCP promotes booting by having ships with any sort of mining bonus.

hell they could remove mining bonused ships, thus making only botters able to mine for profit.

Really anything CCP does, nerfing mining, boost mining, it all promote botting. Because CCP made it possible to mine at all

REMOVE MINING!


I run a mining corp on another account. Don't think I don't know about mining and what it takes to run a corp, or about mining in this game in general. I, as a player, am competing against players that do use bots and mine 23/7. I want to know what CCP is going to do to counter that problem now that they are just making easier for botters and AFK miners. This "oh we just banned a few miners for *two weeks* is not solving the problem.

People that cheat and use outside means(not built into the game) to play EVE hurts my game. I want to know what CCP is going to do about it sense they have now made it easier for people to do it.
Richard Desturned
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#9 - 2012-07-25 06:59:29 UTC
why would you subscribe to a game just to mine imaginary minerals

npc alts have no opinions worth consideration
Dave stark
#10 - 2012-07-25 07:01:45 UTC  |  Edited by: Dave Stark
Pipa Porto wrote:
Dave stark wrote:
oh look; another person who has never mined in their life or is just plain clueless about how mining works.

37km3 ore bay means nothing when asteroids only contain about 5km3 of ore. -.-


Ice Roids have pop quick, do they?

You're right, the Mack's not gonna be particularly AFK when mining Ore in HS (due to the small roids you mentioned), but it's gonna be able to work for like an hour totally hands off when chewing on Ice.


almost every time i warp in to an ice belt i see macks surrounding an orca, an orca has more space than a mack. nothing is even remotely changing in regards to ice mining.
Ginseng Jita
PAN-EVE TRADING COMPANY
#11 - 2012-07-25 07:02:16 UTC
Richard Desturned wrote:
why would you subscribe to a game just to mine imaginary minerals


I don't just mine mate. Mining supports other endeavors. Just as any corp and alliance makes use of moon goo and mining to support their endeavors. Plus things do not get built unless ore is mined. So stop being an idiot. Thank you.
Sentamon
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#12 - 2012-07-25 07:04:00 UTC  |  Edited by: Sentamon
Richard Desturned wrote:
why would you subscribe to a game just to mine imaginary minerals


Probably for the same reason people join a 50k man blob to fight imaginary enemies ... and to suicide on people mining imaginary minerals.

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Pipa Porto
#13 - 2012-07-25 07:05:51 UTC
Dave stark wrote:
Pipa Porto wrote:
Dave stark wrote:
oh look; another person who has never mined in their life or is just plain clueless about how mining works.

37km3 ore bay means nothing when asteroids only contain about 5km3 of ore. -.-


Ice Roids have pop quick, do they?

You're right, the Mack's not gonna be particularly AFK when mining Ore in HS (due to the small roids you mentioned), but it's gonna be able to work for like an hour totally hands off when chewing on Ice.


almost every time i warp in to an ice belt i see macks surrounding an orca, an orca has more space than a mack. nothing is even remotely changing in regards to ice mining.


Because right now, the Mack is like the post-nerf Hulk mining Ice.

Afterwards, the people who use Macks to mine Ice into an Orca (not a high income activity) because they want to be semi-afk, doing one action every ~5-10m, will go pure Macks (maybe an Orca for boosts) and be able to only do one action every ~hour. Maybe even stick the Orca in the belt and do a hauling run an hour.

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Chribba
Otherworld Enterprises
Otherworld Empire
#14 - 2012-07-25 07:11:31 UTC
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Marconus Orion
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#15 - 2012-07-25 07:14:41 UTC
Heh. These suicide ganker tears are glorious. Funny how his statement is completely wrong too.
Tore Vest
#16 - 2012-07-25 07:16:33 UTC
Finaly...
I have been missing my afk mining sessions Bear

+1 to CCP

No troll.
Major Bibi
#17 - 2012-07-25 07:18:41 UTC
look at it on the brightside , Gankers will need to work in teams and so promoting teamwork , it is a MMO rafterall
Marconus Orion
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#18 - 2012-07-25 07:19:46 UTC
Major Bibi wrote:
look at it on the brightside , Gankers will need to work in teams and so promoting teamwork , it is a MMO rafterall

Remember what happened to the last thing that promoted team work in high sec? Nerf bat to Incursions face!
Mag's
Azn Empire
#19 - 2012-07-25 07:53:21 UTC
Major Bibi wrote:
look at it on the brightside , Gankers will need to work in teams and so promoting teamwork , it is a MMO rafterall
News at Ten. Gankers already work in teams, but miners will continue to fit for maximum yield, meaning no real change will occur. Blink

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Malsavias Toralen
lolpercorp
#20 - 2012-07-25 07:54:09 UTC
Trying to figure out where the AFK mining is here.

Mr Asteroid only has around 3 to 5km3 in him, meaning every 3 or so minutes ((Depending on yield and a few other factors)) I need to reset my lasers.... Kinda have to pay attention there.... Unlesss OH YOU MEAN WHEN I FORGET TO RESET THE LASERS.... That would mean i'm a miner and AFK... Right?

And I know i've seen tons of Macks mining ice with an orca basically AFK... So that's already in place.

So either the issue is gank potential or bots.

Now holding back on nerfs and buffs just because it would affect an outside game source like a bot is a poor choice. That's like nerfing bakeries in America because of baguettes in France... So i'm not entirely seeing the argument here... Call me dumb I guess. =D



((A few points in my post where stated above me and I give full credit to those who thought of them first, just reiterating them with my own points.))
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