Ships & Modules

I believe the hurricane and drake are simply too versatile and cheap.

Everyone and their grandmother flies one. Even low skilled poor noobs fly them.

There needs to be more variety in the game.

Battlecruisers should not be a go to ship for 9/10 situations as they currently are.

Their cost effectiveness needs to be reduced. Battlecruisers are only a little bit more expensive than flying Cruisers considering Insurance.

Their tank and dps completely obsolete cruisers and creep into battleship territory.

They are able to take on a wide variety of targets ranging from frigates to capitals.

The hurricane is one such ship that can easily destroy frigates due to the tracking and range of autocannons, along with the ability to fit dual webs and dual neuts.

The hurricane is simply superior to the harbinger, due to the lower pg requirements of autocannons that allows much better options.

Autocannon PG requirements needs to be increased to be brought in line with other medium short range turrets, or short range and long range medium lasers need to be reduced in PG need.

The hurricane is nearly as fast or even faster than regular cruisers.

The drake has very good damage projection and tank. It has the tendency to outlast and destroy any sub battlecruiser ships.

The harbinger and the myrmidon however are limited to specific situations.

The myrmidon works well for 1 vs 1 situations at close range, but is slow and can easily be overwhelmed.

The harbinger is a ship with good damage projections, but is more suited to fleets and has a strong weakness to neuts.

The drake and hurricane should be readjusted to the same level as the harbinger and the myrmidon.

For some reason everyone loves these two ships and well I dont that much lol.

I kill Drakes in cruisers and the cane has never really scared me either. A buddy of mine killed 2 Canes at the same time with 1 Cyclone and one of the two canes was flown by a good pilot in a well fitted Cane.

The Myrm is beyond awesome and I'll fight any cane or drake in one.

And as you said the Harb has great damage projection and it works well in fleets, eh isnt that you just saying it has its uses?!

Just cause everyone drank the kool aid doesn't make it true...

Did you seriously make a thread to state that two battlecruisers are able to kill frigates and cruisers and this somehow makes them OP? Wtf?

Just no...all around just no..

Nuets are the primary defense against being swarmed by frigs, and most importantly, the main reason for people to think about cracking open that wallet and buying a bigger ship. Over half the players you run into in low sec are in frigates, not because they offer some tactical advantage, but because they are scared to fly a real ship.

As far as balance between the different races BC's, that's slated to be addressed, so nothing to talk about there. Lasers with scorch give autocannons a run for the money any day.

And a power grid nerf on minmatar? You must want artillery removed from the game because even with AWU5 there are minmatar ships that need multiple power grid mods to fit the max size artillery as well as a tank and prop mod, so no, I don't think they need a PG nerf at all.. Also look at the range on autocannons with a given ammo when you consider the paper dps. At one falloff it's half the paper dps.

TLDR
OP is an amarr pilot and seemingly one who has an aversion to flying man-ships (BC+) and this has caused him to request bc nerfs.

Even if I accepted all of your premises -- and I don't, but that's for another time -- you haven't supported this conclusion in the least. Do you see why?

I agree with these statements. Amarr ships (particularly BC and below) need more PG to be able to utilize it's slots. And I agree to an extent on the use of beam lasers in PvP. They DEFINITELY have their value in PvE, but in PvP, it's pulse or GTFO. I think you're overstating your position a little, but you are generally on point.

You just don't want your winmatar ships gone.

A battlecruisers can easily kill a cruiser. Blobbing doesn't mean anything.

A battlecruiser in RL is a fast moving ship with big guns, its defences are weak. Tier 3 BC are TRUE BCs.

Lol you must be mad cause your got you ass kicked in ATX. Lolololol Cry more baby.

Oh an off topic comment here, apologies.

One thing does possibly need rebalance is amarr BS, they need something done about the cap use as even with no other cap using modules Large pulse lasers cap the ship out in 5-10 minutes.

I feel that a BS should be capable of sustained fire in a long engagement, you do run out of cap boosters eventually .

Let me stop you right there. A "low skilled poor noob" heard that goons are massing Drakes and that they have an awesome tank. OMGWANT and 2 minutes later, he has a Drake (probably with passive tank), thinking he's ready to pvp. Such a pilot is a liability to the fleet, not its strength.

Can Drakes/Canes be used in a number of ways? Absolutely. Are they popular ships? Hell yeah. Does that make them overpowered? Far from it. Both have clear and well defined counters - it is up to the players to figure them out and use them.

Autocanon are way too easy to fit, by far. No other weapon system allow you to fit a whole rack of your top tier guns and two neut. As said before, a harbinger cannot even fit one neut when he have all it's guns. Remove one gun to make it in line with the hurricane, and you may be able to fit one neut, not two.

If the PG of minmatar ship is balance regarding arties, then autocanon fitting are completely unbalanced. Anyone but minmatar ave to make *sacrifices* to fit neut ; that's not fair considering the other advantages of autocanon (namely : capless, very good damage application, damage type selection, tracking).

The myrm is fantastic and anyone who says otherwise just can't figure out how to fly it properly (#pickyourengagements)