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Where's your sandbox now?
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Danny Diamonds
Fabricated Reality
#61 - 2012-07-25 12:28:01 UTC
I prefer my sandbox without cat turds. Keep removing them so everyone can have turd-free sand to play with.
Barbara Nichole
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#62 - 2012-07-25 12:29:32 UTC
Goonspiracy wrote:
We exploited wardec mechanics... they changed wardecs
We gained a monopoly on tech... they change mechanics to break that
We create a permanent hulkageddon... they make mining vessels ungankable
We elect our CSM... they ban him
We run Incursions as they were intended... they make them worthless to run
We build titans and blap with them... they nerf titans
We use supercarriers as they were intended... they change the intention
We have unique regions in the game of distinctive value... they make them generic and bland (drone regions, tech nerf, etc)
We have a dissenting voice in the forums... they lock our threads to cover it up

Are these real tears or are you being facetious? Look, if you think any of this stuff is any different than the game from it's founding you haven't been playing long enough to know that this is not new or news.

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Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#63 - 2012-07-25 12:32:24 UTC
Virgil Travis wrote:
Ms Kat wrote:
Virgil Travis wrote:
Ms Kat wrote:
The best thing about this... noone and i mean noone can pick fault in a single one of your points made. \o/ *high 5


I think you'll find that's totally incorrect. Maybe you're the body that my sandbox has been waiting for.



You seen that film where they say "We are going to need a bigger boat"?

Well you Sir will need a bigher sandbox ;)


Oh trust me, it's big enough and deep enough for quite a few bodies. There are some in there already, I can fit more in quite easily.


TIL Virgil Travis has a smallholding in the Everglades, it's not so much a sandbox as a bottomless pit full of hungry reptiles and human remains.

In the beginning there was nothing, which exploded.

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Benny Ohu
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#64 - 2012-07-25 12:32:52 UTC
Each time the OP uses "we" they are referring to the playerbase. Not Goonswarm or any other group in particular. They weren't pretending to be from SA in the OP either. That doesn't make their post any good, it just makes most of the replies worse.

It serves to demonstrate that you should define your bloody pronouns. Yes, 'you'. Cool
Alexzandvar Douglass
Motiveless Malignity
Deepwater Hooligans
#65 - 2012-07-25 14:02:41 UTC
The closest thing to a sandbox I own is my cats litter box.
Jimmy Gunsmythe
Sebiestor Tribe
#66 - 2012-07-25 14:46:04 UTC
Goonspiracy wrote:
We elect our CSM... they ban him


He got himself banned. If it had been anyone else, they would have been completely removed from the game.

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Sid Hudgens
Doomheim
#67 - 2012-07-25 14:48:06 UTC
Goonspiracy wrote:
We exploited wardec mechanics... they changed wardecs
We gained a monopoly on tech... they change mechanics to break that
We create a permanent hulkageddon... they make mining vessels ungankable
We elect our CSM... they ban him
We run Incursions as they were intended... they make them worthless to run
We build titans and blap with them... they nerf titans
We use supercarriers as they were intended... they change the intention
We have unique regions in the game of distinctive value... they make them generic and bland (drone regions, tech nerf, etc)
We have a dissenting voice in the forums... they lock our threads to cover it up



Hmm. Your ideas are intriguing to me and I wish to subscribe to your newsletter

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Private Pineapple
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#68 - 2012-07-25 14:52:19 UTC
TBH The goons are exercising the sandbox to it's fullest potential. I remember this one server in Shadowbane. I forgot the name but it was literally Hell. There was some 10000-man Chinese guild that was able to camp every single valuable location in the game. This guild took over the entire server and kept everyone in darkness.

That's a true sandbox. The same cannot be applied here as CONCORD exists, but if Goons + allies (CFC) conquer all of nullsec, people will whine but the true sandbox lovers will say "now that's just exercisin' the sandbox."

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Richard Desturned
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#69 - 2012-07-25 14:55:17 UTC
Jimmy Gunsmythe wrote:
Goonspiracy wrote:
We elect our CSM... they ban him


He got himself banned. If it had been anyone else, they would have been completely removed from the game.


if it had been anybody else, nobody would have given a crap

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Pak Narhoo
Splinter Foundation
#70 - 2012-07-25 15:07:12 UTC
Goonspiracy wrote:
We exploited wardec mechanics... they changed wardecs
1We gained a monopoly on tech... they change mechanics to break that
2We create a permanent hulkageddon... they make mining vessels ungankable
3We elect our CSM... they ban him
4We run Incursions as they were intended... they make them worthless to run
5We build titans and blap with them... they nerf titans
6We use supercarriers as they were intended... they change the intention
7We have unique regions in the game of distinctive value... they make them generic and bland (drone regions, tech nerf, etc)
8We have a dissenting voice in the forums... they lock our threads to cover it up


1- Wardecs are still pretty much pointless, what did you win or lose after the war?
2- Cry me a river, you need more pew or isk, still they are far from ungankable
3- He did that himself being all drunk and far from clever performing on stage to be seen for the entire planet
4- Yeah huge, near instant isk profits with barely any risk for the "elite" few was a good idea
5- Titans where never meant to be mass produced and used on a whim, you did it to yourself
6- No idea what you mean here
7- Yeah sure its a very good idea to mine with guns
8- If you bring your points across in a civil manner, properly explained and well substantiated, I doubt your posts get locked
Nova Fox
Novafox Shipyards
#71 - 2012-07-25 15:17:17 UTC
Kuehnelt wrote:
Many of your instances of 'we' are countered by other instances of 'we'. In most of your examples it's true that the first 'we' is using mechanics as given whereas the second 'we' is asking CCP to change those mechanics, but the mechanics are still from CCP in the first place, who have a greater interest in making a good game than in never changing mechanics just so that they won't ever disadvantage anyone with a change.

And honestly, 'sandbox' is just a dumb term. If you have a real point, and don't just want to try to bludgeon CCP with a stealthed charge of hypocrisy, then you'll be able to make that point without reference to sandboxes.

Goonspiracy wrote:
We create a permanent hulkageddon... they make mining vessels ungankable


Bots will use the Hulk. Players wanting to be bots will use the Retriever. Nobody will use the Skiff, the one with the battleship-sized tank. What CCP is doing with mining vessels is prefitting them for dumb miners: instead of having to decide to tank or maxyield a Hulk, miners can make the easier decision to fly a Skiff for a tank or a Hulk for max yield or a Retriever for max AFK or--. They're also making it easier for us to reply to miners: instead of having to come up with example tanky fits, we can just say "fly the Skiff if you don't want to die." "Oh, you got ganked? In a retriever? l2skiff." Future threads on ganking are going to be pretty streamlined.

Exhumers will still explode.


Going have to disagree as a maxi-tank hulk still won't survive a 'cost effective' gank. Essentially by the time you spend enough isk to make the hulk ungankable by one ship you just now made it cost effective for two to do it.

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Jada Maroo
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#72 - 2012-07-25 15:30:45 UTC
Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:
Tarryn Nightstorm wrote:
Who is "goons?"


Met some in guild wars 2, killed them.

Apparently they can't fit 5000 bodies in 1 PvP instance.


They tried to fight a 5 person boss with 100 players on Secret World.
Lina Alar
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#73 - 2012-07-25 15:40:53 UTC
Needs a pinch more salt (from tears of course) and much more tautology...

OP, here's your thread: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&find=unread&t=129588

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Jerick Ludhowe
Internet Tuff Guys
#74 - 2012-07-25 15:43:00 UTC
Goonspiracy wrote:
We exploited wardec mechanics... they changed wardecs
We gained a monopoly on tech... they change mechanics to break that
We create a permanent hulkageddon... they make mining vessels ungankable
We elect our CSM... they ban him
We run Incursions as they were intended... they make them worthless to run
We build titans and blap with them... they nerf titans
We use supercarriers as they were intended... they change the intention
We have unique regions in the game of distinctive value... they make them generic and bland (drone regions, tech nerf, etc)
We have a dissenting voice in the forums... they lock our threads to cover it up


There is so much wrong in this post I can't even be bothered to post anything constructive. 0/10 for you good sir.
Marconus Orion
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#75 - 2012-07-25 16:07:05 UTC  |  Edited by: Marconus Orion
Richard Desturned wrote:
Jimmy Gunsmythe wrote:
Goonspiracy wrote:
We elect our CSM... they ban him


He got himself banned. If it had been anyone else, they would have been completely removed from the game.


if it had been anybody else, nobody would have given a crap

If it had been anybody else they would have been perma banned. He got off insanely easy with that 30 day ban. Yet you don't see that at all. You feel as if you guys were wronged and picked on.

So sad. Straight
Lin-Young Borovskova
Doomheim
#76 - 2012-07-25 16:11:36 UTC
OP

You're the shame of forum alts!! -The fact you got a face just makes it worst !

Oops

brb
arcca jeth
Dark Alliance
#77 - 2012-07-25 16:25:24 UTC  |  Edited by: arcca jeth
Richard Desturned wrote:
Jimmy Gunsmythe wrote:
Goonspiracy wrote:
We elect our CSM... they ban him


He got himself banned. If it had been anyone else, they would have been completely removed from the game.


if it had been anybody else, nobody would have given a crap



this is not true and you know it. there have been many, MANY, instances of RL "go kill yourself" comments on the forums and they are always acted upon. You are posting as if CCP didn't already disclose this in their comments on the forums since the event occurred. CCP has made it very clear where they stand. All one needs to do is report the person for it and they are banned. RL game threats are taken very seriously.
Caldari Acolyte
Shark Enterprises
#78 - 2012-07-25 19:16:59 UTC
Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:
Tarryn Nightstorm wrote:
Who is "goons?"


Met some in guild wars 2, killed them.

Apparently they can't fit 5000 bodies in 1 PvP instance.

There is no TEC in Guild Wars 2 hence nothing for Goons to exploit and ANET is not CCP Thank GodBig smile
Kuehnelt
Devoid Privateering
#79 - 2012-07-25 19:25:13 UTC
Jimmy Gunsmythe wrote:
Goonspiracy wrote:
We elect our CSM... they ban him


He got himself banned. If it had been anyone else, they would have been completely removed from the game.


No, it's a different portion of the player base that got him banned. This is the clearest example where there are really two 'we's in the OP's claims. If anyone else had done that, a ruckus wouldn't've been raised and the CCP employees who appreciated or ignored the terrible, terrible deed wouldn't've had to come to an official position on it.
Patrakele
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#80 - 2012-07-25 20:18:10 UTC
Please try to win Darwin Award in RL.