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Mining yields are rising so what about the belt spawns?
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Dave Stark
#21 - 2012-07-25 07:07:00 UTC
check morphite prices, it's gone down 500isk/unit this week alone, a few weeks ago it was the 2nd highest isk/hour ore, if you had exhumer V. it was only just above third, though. was always close. the recent drop in morph has pushed it below scord etc now.
Barbara Nichole
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#22 - 2012-07-25 13:09:34 UTC
Zetaomega333 wrote:
People who are afk mining.....


by that I assume you mean people who are away from their keyboard for 3 minutes or less....or do you mean only that all miners are "afk" if they are in high sec?

  - remove the cloaked from local; free intel is the real problem, not  "afk" cloaking -

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Xyrrath Actault
Doomheim
#23 - 2012-07-25 20:21:53 UTC
Tau Cabalander wrote:
Most people look at the earnings charts and note, "Hey! Mercoxit at the top! [per m3]" Well, yes it is. The problem is that one cannot mine as many m3 of Mercoxit as one can mine the other ores. This significantly devalues Mercoxit for mining purposes.

The last time I did the math I came up with "Mercoxit is only worth mining when its price per m3 is more than 58% higher than the other ores."

According to Cerlestes's Mercoxit is currently only 23% above Arkonor, 54% above Scordite, and 61% above Plagioclase. So it is just barely better than Plag at the moment.

When I did this calculation over a year ago, it was also at about the same point, though there were more ores above it.

Unless you have run out of Arkonor and Scordite out in w-space or null, there is little reason to get into a Skiff to mine Mercoxit.


Well thats what they get for being lazy they end up mining the wrong ore
Styth spiting
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#24 - 2012-07-27 07:15:39 UTC
Zetaomega333 wrote:
People who are afk mining in empire with 1 hulk and 1 orca sitting side by side are not making much to begin with. I love how people keep going, " HULKS ARE MENT FOR FLEET OPS HURRR"

Most miners have 2 or more accounts and there for thats a fleet op. If i were to mine alone with just my 2 mining toons i would STILL use 2 hulks and orca in every 2 hours. If your mining in empire your obv not mining to make profit becuase you would have joined a nullsec mining corp if profit is what your looking at. And all this omg a mack can afk foreverrrr, i fill a jetcan every 6 minutes, thats not forever afk mining if i were to switch to macks.


Orca/hulk mining currently is only 47% less yield then dual hulk mining. You also get the increase in tank from orca boosts which helps with ganking worries and no need to worry about can flipping. Also if your filling / hauling a jetcan every 6 minutes you should include that extra time lost from your hourly yield. 1 2 minute haul every 6 minutes adds up fast.



Oh and in regards to the null sec comment. Currently highsec ores have a higher M3 value then Bistot, and even veldspar has a higher m3/isk value than Crokite. Arkonor is only 69isk higher then Scordite. So when you consider having to re-dock every few minutes to kill rats, docking because of players entering system, the few roids that might be available all ready having been looted, grav sites not poping (or all ready looted) and so on, highsec mining out yields nullsec per hour by quite a bit.
Dave Stark
#25 - 2012-07-27 07:58:51 UTC
Styth spiting wrote:
highsec mining out yields nullsec per hour by quite a bit.


no, it doesn't.

find a quiet indy 3 system half way down a dead end pipe in the south east of null where arkonor spawns in the belts as well as grav sites and you can be mining arkonor 24/7 with very few neuts in local and asteroids pop less frequently.

if you pick a good system to mine in null can, and will, always beat high sec mining at current market values. granted; high sec mining is very competitive but it is in no way superior, especially with how inefficient high sec mining is due to the absurdly small asteroids in comparison to null sec grav sites.
Pinstar Colton
Sweet Asteroid Acres
#26 - 2012-07-27 12:23:28 UTC
I will be very worried if mining reaches a level where we have to worry about belt spawns.

Oh sure, the belt spawns within a 3 jump radius of any major trading hub will probably get picked clean on a daily basis, but there will still be FAR more belts all over high sec than there are miners to clean them out.


AS for the total mining yield... its quantity over quality. Yes, solo miners will be switching from their hulks to lower-yield ships. BUT more players who stopped solo mining over concerns of can flipping or ganking will head back out to the fields and mine. A LOT more miners...in lower mining yield ships. In fact I see the hulk prices sliding as mining ops will be even less common in high sec since everyone can mine effectively solo. (And many have never tasted an orca boost and don't know what they are missing out on)


In the cat-and-mouse game that is low sec, there is no shame in learning to be a better mouse.

Overs
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#27 - 2012-07-27 13:59:33 UTC
The stat changes make the lower skilled barges ridiculously over powered. I can understand the need for a buff on all mining ships' tank and yield, but this is full r e t a r d.
Dave Stark
#28 - 2012-07-27 15:41:14 UTC
Overs wrote:
The stat changes make the lower skilled barges ridiculously over powered. I can understand the need for a buff on all mining ships' tank and yield, but this is full r e t a r d.


if you think it's ******** then i don't think you understand the need.
Overs
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#29 - 2012-07-27 16:01:09 UTC
CCP could boost ore yields instead.
Dave Stark
#30 - 2012-07-27 16:15:46 UTC
Overs wrote:
CCP could boost ore yields instead.


for what reason? you mine more, you sell more, prices go down, you make the same amount of isk anyway.
Zera Kerrigan
The 420th Token
#31 - 2012-07-27 16:25:59 UTC
Janet Patton wrote:
I swear half the people that post on these mining topics have never mined before in their life.


Spot on!
Gorinia Sanford
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#32 - 2012-07-29 04:17:57 UTC
Skorpynekomimi wrote:
Dave stark wrote:
since the hulk's yield isn't increasing then people will be switching from hulks to lower yield ships. hence, mining yields will be falling, not rising.

besides, if some one wants to mine a belt clean, they'll still do it.


Lower yield is relative! I just knocked up some calculations on the new stats, and discovered that the mackinaw will have a significant BOOST over a hulk. Even just stock, dat ore bay. Dat lack of docking up.


^^ THIS! ^^
Jorma Morkkis
State War Academy
Caldari State
#33 - 2012-07-29 04:38:29 UTC
Skorpynekomimi wrote:
Lower yield is relative! I just knocked up some calculations on the new stats, and discovered that the mackinaw will have a significant BOOST over a hulk. Even just stock, dat ore bay. Dat lack of docking up.


50k m3 ore bay in Orca...
Zetaomega333
High Flyers
#34 - 2012-07-29 11:41:12 UTC
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So when you consider having to re-dock every few minutes to kill rats, docking because of players entering system, the few roids that might be available all ready having been looted, grav sites not poping (or all ready looted) and so on, highsec mining out yields nullsec per hour by quite a bit.


Only terrible nullsec miners have to dock to kill rats, in nullsec we have belt tanks. You obviously have no clue in hell what nullsec mining entails if you think these things.

Quote:
Lower yield is relative! I just knocked up some calculations on the new stats, and discovered that the mackinaw will have a significant BOOST over a hulk. Even just stock, dat ore bay. Dat lack of docking up.


Most miners still jetcan, i dont see how the bigger ore bay will help with jetcanning.
Dave Stark
#35 - 2012-07-29 12:03:36 UTC
Zetaomega333 wrote:
Most miners still jetcan, i dont see how the bigger ore bay will help with jetcanning.


you won't have to jetcan; that's the point.
Celgar Thurn
Department 10
#36 - 2012-07-30 13:11:29 UTC
Janet Patton wrote:
I swear half the people that post on these mining topics have never mined before in their life.


It is amusing to read the disinformation though. A lot of it makes me laugh. Smile
Lilly Tiger
Megalith Heavy Industries
#37 - 2012-07-30 21:35:32 UTC
Celgar Thurn wrote:
Janet Patton wrote:
I swear half the people that post on these mining topics have never mined before in their life.


It is amusing to read the disinformation though. A lot of it makes me laugh. Smile



Yeah. Get an orca, mine directly to it/to jet cans it tractors. No issue. My orca can fit almost 200k m3, and I'm not even maxing all possibilities..

Only thing the huge ore bay in barges is good for is you don't have to monitor each cycle, I.e. you move ore/ice less often at a time but in larges quantities.. And solo mining of course.. But who does that anymore?
Overs
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#38 - 2012-08-01 18:38:11 UTC  |  Edited by: Overs
Dave stark wrote:
Overs wrote:
CCP could boost ore yields instead.


for what reason? you mine more, you sell more, prices go down, you make the same amount of isk anyway.


My comment stems more from the ratio of minerals used in production vs that refined from ores.

If we look at the ratio of minerals refined from an equal volume of all ores (relating the yield of each mineral to that of tritanium) we get-

tritanium 1:1, pyerite 1:0.2341, mexallon 1:0.0934, Isogen 1:0.0435, Nocxium 1:0.0188, Zydrine 1:0.0089, Megacyte 1:0032

and compare that to the ratios of minerals in a 425mm railgun

tritanium 1:1, pyerite 1:0.2565, mexallon 1:0.0856, Isogen 1:0.0233, Nocxium 1:0.0036, Zydrine 1:0.0002, Megacyte 1:0003

We see that at the point of nocxium the ratios between what can be mined vs what can be used begin to diverge. Aside from the exclusive sources of the higher end minerals and the role that that plays in limiting supply in empire, I think that addressing ore yield for lower end minerals (tritanium, pyerite, etc) would be a far more effective change than uber-tanking mining barges, inflating their mining yields, and engorging their ore holds.
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