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CNR VS Golem
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Zechs Kushrenada
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#21 - 2012-07-26 09:02:20 UTC
Wuxi Wuxilla wrote:
It's 2 t2 Rigor and 1 t1 Flare, forgot about the lower Calibration on faction ships.

The point of 2 TPs are getting used to juggling multiple TPs (the best Golem fits have 3 of them in addition to 2 Tractor Beams and 1 Salvager) and using Fury Cruises on as much stuff as possible - With 2 Rigor/2 TP you can use them on BC and above, which in addition to your drones means not much switching to t1 missiles and more applied dps.

/edit: 2 TPs never make Rigors/Flares obsolete. If anything, Rigors make TPs obsolete but a CNR should never undock without Rigors/Flares (unless you are a Torp CNR ofc). You can do with 1 TP and you could do without (but you don't need the tank either).
Another nice thing about 2 TPs is, that when fighting BS rats you can paint them with one to get full Fury damage and then paint the cruiser/frig your drones are working on for better applied drone damage.



Ah, thanks again. Haven't used furies yet. Will give that a go as well. Thanks so far, way more fun this way ^^.
DeltaW7
Strategic Exploration and Development Corp
Silent Company
#22 - 2012-07-27 07:22:18 UTC
Why use a CNR or Golem?, why not look at a tengu?
Zhilia Mann
Tide Way Out Productions
#23 - 2012-07-27 07:27:28 UTC
DeltaW7 wrote:
Why use a CNR or Golem?, why not look at a tengu?


Tengu is great under the right circumstances (blitzing against kin-weak enemies) but CNR is going to outperform it if you're not blitzing (and travel time isn't an issue) and it will absolutely do better against Sansha/Blood.
Paikis
Vapour Holdings
#24 - 2012-07-27 08:20:53 UTC
DeltaW7 wrote:
Why use a CNR or Golem?, why not look at a tengu?


Tengu is good. CNR is better.
Traejun DiSanctis
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#25 - 2012-07-28 02:10:18 UTC
Paikis wrote:
DeltaW7 wrote:
Why use a CNR or Golem?, why not look at a tengu?


Tengu is good. CNR is better.


You know as well as I do that's not always true. Sometimes, the Tengu will outperformed the CNR. Sometimes, the opposite is true. It depends on the mission/rats.
Zyella Stormborn
Green Seekers
#26 - 2012-07-28 02:21:43 UTC
Traejun DiSanctis wrote:
Paikis wrote:
DeltaW7 wrote:
Why use a CNR or Golem?, why not look at a tengu?


Tengu is good. CNR is better.


You know as well as I do that's not always true. Sometimes, the Tengu will outperformed the CNR. Sometimes, the opposite is true. It depends on the mission/rats.



May well be true, but somehow does not seem to fit in the Title and discussion of most of this thread. ;)

There is a special Hell for people like that, Right next to child molestors, and people that talk in the theater. ~Firefly
Paikis
Vapour Holdings
#27 - 2012-07-28 04:21:38 UTC  |  Edited by: Paikis
Traejun DiSanctis wrote:
Paikis wrote:
DeltaW7 wrote:
Why use a CNR or Golem?, why not look at a tengu?


Tengu is good. CNR is better.


You know as well as I do that's not always true. Sometimes, the Tengu will outperformed the CNR. Sometimes, the opposite is true. It depends on the mission/rats.


The only time the Tengu out performs the CNR is when there are large distances to cover. In all other situations, the CNR is better.

EDIT: you could make the argument that a mission with a large amount of frigate rats would favour the Tengu as well.
Wuxi Wuxilla
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#28 - 2012-07-28 10:13:37 UTC
Paikis wrote:
Traejun DiSanctis wrote:
Paikis wrote:
DeltaW7 wrote:
Why use a CNR or Golem?, why not look at a tengu?


Tengu is good. CNR is better.


You know as well as I do that's not always true. Sometimes, the Tengu will outperformed the CNR. Sometimes, the opposite is true. It depends on the mission/rats.


The only time the Tengu out performs the CNR is when there are large distances to cover. In all other situations, the CNR is better.

EDIT: you could make the argument that a mission with a large amount of frigate rats would favour the Tengu as well.


Or, you know, when you want to make some real isk while missioning and travel time becomes an issue: Blitzing
Paikis
Vapour Holdings
#29 - 2012-07-28 19:18:20 UTC
Wuxi Wuxilla wrote:
Or, you know, when you want to make some real isk while missioning and travel time becomes an issue: Blitzing


More damage is more damage, and the CNR has more damage that isn't linked to a particular type. Even with Kinetic damage, the CNR is better. There has to be a fair amount of travel involved before the Tengu becomes preferable. Having said that, I do own both, and I do fly both.

I just wish people would stop telling people that the Tengu is the best. It isn't.
Wuxi Wuxilla
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#30 - 2012-07-28 19:30:00 UTC
Paikis wrote:


I just wish people would stop telling people that the Tengu is the best. It isn't.


For blitzing it is. Half your time is spend moving around.
Paikis
Vapour Holdings
#31 - 2012-07-28 19:37:40 UTC
Wuxi Wuxilla wrote:
Paikis wrote:


I just wish people would stop telling people that the Tengu is the best. It isn't.


For blitzing it is. Half your time is spend moving around.


For blitzing some missions it is. For blitzing most missions you still have to clear a few rooms before you can use the gates. At which point the CNR is better. Even on some missions where the gate is 60+kms away, if there is enough stuff you have to kill on the way, the CNR is better. Sure the Tengu will get there first, but then it has to orbit something for 5 minutes while it kills the ships that will let it use the gate.

The Tengu will be better on missions with long distances to gates and not much/anything to shoot, it will be better on missions where you just have to go fetch something. For just about everything else, a CNR is better.

Flight-speed doesn't matter when you can hit everything in the room and you're at the gate by the time its all dead.
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