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The end of Hulkageddon?
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Dave stark
#41 - 2012-07-24 12:33:56 UTC
Pinstar Colton wrote:
Dave stark wrote:
depends how you define the end. when goons stop paying, or when people stop bothering...



People seem to have already stopped bothering. I checked on the local ice belt near me and there were 8 mackinaws, 3 hulks and 1 orca all chipping away at the ice.

In the early days of hulkageddon, that very same ice field at the same exact time of day/day of the week was dead and empty.


aye i haven't seen many gankers for quite a while either. guessing other things net more isk/hour so people do that.
War Kitten
Panda McLegion
#42 - 2012-07-24 12:43:38 UTC
If you build it, they will come.


(...and blow it up)

I don't judge people by their race, religion, color, size, age, gender, or ethnicity. I judge them by their grammar, spelling, syntax, punctuation, clarity of expression, and logical consistency.
Tom Gerard
Glorious Nation of Kazakhstan
#43 - 2012-07-24 12:44:56 UTC
This is the end of all ganking, it will never happen ever again.

Now with 100% less Troll.
Mara Rinn
Cosmic Goo Convertor
#44 - 2012-07-24 12:47:39 UTC
DarthNefarius wrote:
Looks like can flipping miners will become a thing of the past


The Orca was introduced in Quantum Rise, November 2008. People still practice jet-can mining.

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Dave stark
#45 - 2012-07-24 12:48:56 UTC
Mara Rinn wrote:
DarthNefarius wrote:
Looks like can flipping miners will become a thing of the past


The Orca was introduced in Quantum Rise, November 2008. People still practice jet-can mining.


yes but to make use of an orca you need a 2nd account, with a 37k m3 ore bay mackinaw... it's a whole different pot of frogs.
Renan Ruivo
Forcas armadas
Brave Collective
#46 - 2012-07-24 12:50:46 UTC
Looks like Hulks are now the perfect group mining ship, just as it should be. The others are great for solo and main+alt mining.

The world is a community of idiots doing a series of things until it explodes and we all die.
Tom Gerard
Glorious Nation of Kazakhstan
#47 - 2012-07-24 12:56:13 UTC
Renan Ruivo wrote:
Looks like Hulks are now the perfect group mining ship, just as it should be. The others are great for solo and main+alt mining.


I agree to an extent, certainly the reign of the Hulk is at an end.

Now with 100% less Troll.
Dinsdale Pirannha
Pirannha Corp
#48 - 2012-07-24 13:08:18 UTC
These changes are long ovedue.

Guess CCP looked at their sub numbers, looked at the mineral market, looked at the gloating going on by goons and other griefers, and said, "OK, this has gone too far."

I am betting the biggest factor was sub numbers.
I for one will be seriously looking at re-activating at least one account that has lapsed.

I am just a little sad that my poor Hulk will be sitting abandoned in my hangar replaced by a shiny Mackinaw.
I haven't checked the market today to see the price changes in the Exhumer markets, but starting last night there must be huge changes.
Richard Desturned
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#49 - 2012-07-24 13:13:05 UTC
Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:
These changes are long ovedue.

Guess CCP looked at their sub numbers, looked at the mineral market, looked at the gloating going on by goons and other griefers, and said, "OK, this has gone too far."

I am betting the biggest factor was sub numbers.
I for one will be seriously looking at re-activating at least one account that has lapsed.

I am just a little sad that my poor Hulk will be sitting abandoned in my hangar replaced by a shiny Mackinaw.
I haven't checked the market today to see the price changes in the Exhumer markets, but starting last night there must be huge changes.


the afk miners and botters are important sub numbers, let me tell you

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highonpop
KarmaFleet
Goonswarm Federation
#50 - 2012-07-24 13:14:02 UTC
Carlton Foster wrote:
The details of the new mining barges were just posted in the Science and Industry forums.

So is this the end of Hulkageddon?


This doesn't mark the end of hulkageddon.
This is EVE evolving as it should. This is what happens when players get together and start participating in one activity that is fairly one sided, and it evolves into something that will be much more fun and interesting and thought out.

Ganking will still occur, but this is CCP's way of both evolving industry as it was in horrible need, and also evolving the way gankers need to operate.

Open your mind and think outside the box!

FC, what do?
Unit757
North Point
#51 - 2012-07-24 13:22:48 UTC
Just because the machinaw and skiff got a crazy buff, doesn't mean hulkageddon will end. The hulk itself is relativly unchanged, and the amount of people whining that their hulk "can only fit 1 cycle, fix this CCP" simply proves that idiots will still mine in max yield hulks, and they still still be easily ganked. The few smarter ones will switch to the tankier skiff or machinaw.

All is good, you cant expect most miners to give up some yield to survive, that would be a stupid idea, wouldn't it?
Dave stark
#52 - 2012-07-24 13:26:00 UTC
Unit757 wrote:
Just because the machinaw and skiff got a crazy buff, doesn't mean hulkageddon will end. The hulk itself is relativly unchanged, and the amount of people whining that their hulk "can only fit 1 cycle, fix this CCP" simply proves that idiots will still mine in max yield hulks, and they still still be easily ganked. The few smarter ones will switch to the tankier skiff or machinaw.

All is good, you cant expect most miners to give up some yield to survive, that would be a stupid idea, wouldn't it?


it's more the point that it can only fit 1 full cycle, which leaves room left over in the ore bay, that would be more appreciated in the remaining regular bay for crystal storage. there's a legitimate issue with the way the hulk's cargo capacity has been split.
Unit757
North Point
#53 - 2012-07-24 13:29:27 UTC  |  Edited by: Unit757
Dave stark wrote:
Unit757 wrote:
Just because the machinaw and skiff got a crazy buff, doesn't mean hulkageddon will end. The hulk itself is relativly unchanged, and the amount of people whining that their hulk "can only fit 1 cycle, fix this CCP" simply proves that idiots will still mine in max yield hulks, and they still still be easily ganked. The few smarter ones will switch to the tankier skiff or machinaw.

All is good, you cant expect most miners to give up some yield to survive, that would be a stupid idea, wouldn't it?


it's more the point that it can only fit 1 full cycle, which leaves room left over in the ore bay, that would be more appreciated in the remaining regular bay for crystal storage. there's a legitimate issue with the way the hulk's cargo capacity has been split.


Who gives a damn if it has more space then it needs? It's a fleet ship, you put it in the orca as soon as its harvested anyways.
Dave stark
#54 - 2012-07-24 13:32:06 UTC
Unit757 wrote:
Dave stark wrote:
Unit757 wrote:
Just because the machinaw and skiff got a crazy buff, doesn't mean hulkageddon will end. The hulk itself is relativly unchanged, and the amount of people whining that their hulk "can only fit 1 cycle, fix this CCP" simply proves that idiots will still mine in max yield hulks, and they still still be easily ganked. The few smarter ones will switch to the tankier skiff or machinaw.

All is good, you cant expect most miners to give up some yield to survive, that would be a stupid idea, wouldn't it?


it's more the point that it can only fit 1 full cycle, which leaves room left over in the ore bay, that would be more appreciated in the remaining regular bay for crystal storage. there's a legitimate issue with the way the hulk's cargo capacity has been split.


Who gives a damn if it has more space then it needs? It's a fleet ship, you put it in the orca as soon as its harvested anyways.


the cargo space itself isn't the issue; read what i wrote.
the way it has been split 7500/500 is the issue. 500 is not sufficient to carry a decent compliment of crystals. if we moved some of the ore bay space back to regular cargo to hold more crystals we'd lose nothing from the ore bay as any thing past one full cycle is "wasted space" that could be (but currently can't be) used for storing crystals. also crystals are a bigger issue for the hulk since it has more strips to load crystals in to hence it needs more space to store them.
Dinsdale Pirannha
Pirannha Corp
#55 - 2012-07-24 13:34:20 UTC
Richard Desturned wrote:
Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:
These changes are long ovedue.

Guess CCP looked at their sub numbers, looked at the mineral market, looked at the gloating going on by goons and other griefers, and said, "OK, this has gone too far."

I am betting the biggest factor was sub numbers.
I for one will be seriously looking at re-activating at least one account that has lapsed.

I am just a little sad that my poor Hulk will be sitting abandoned in my hangar replaced by a shiny Mackinaw.
I haven't checked the market today to see the price changes in the Exhumer markets, but starting last night there must be huge changes.


the afk miners and botters are important sub numbers, let me tell you


I am not going to comment on the botter situation, since I have no real clue on how many are still in game, how many got banned, how many just quit, and you don't have those numbers either.

As for a resurgence of afk miners, GOOD!
Contrary to what you and the other zealots feel, it is a completely acceptable gamestyle, and important part of the economy, if you use the mineral markets as an example. Plus, as far as I know, CCP get the same amount of real life currency from an afk mining account as from a 0.0 PvP'er.

And let's be honest here. How long will it be before hordes of afk Macks and Skiffs won't be showing up in the safe enclaves of goons and test space which are now capable of tanking the rats?
Dave stark
#56 - 2012-07-24 13:38:03 UTC
Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:
And let's be honest here. How long will it be before hordes of afk Macks and Skiffs won't be showing up in the safe enclaves of goons and test space which are now capable of tanking the rats?


with high ends falling and low ends rising/staying high then i'll wager that people won't really bother. however if people are less gankable after these changes and more high sec miners come back... it'll be a different bag of squirrels.
Riknarr
Midhalla
#57 - 2012-07-24 13:43:04 UTC
Dave stark wrote:
Unit757 wrote:
Dave stark wrote:
Unit757 wrote:
Just because the machinaw and skiff got a crazy buff, doesn't mean hulkageddon will end. The hulk itself is relativly unchanged, and the amount of people whining that their hulk "can only fit 1 cycle, fix this CCP" simply proves that idiots will still mine in max yield hulks, and they still still be easily ganked. The few smarter ones will switch to the tankier skiff or machinaw.

All is good, you cant expect most miners to give up some yield to survive, that would be a stupid idea, wouldn't it?


it's more the point that it can only fit 1 full cycle, which leaves room left over in the ore bay, that would be more appreciated in the remaining regular bay for crystal storage. there's a legitimate issue with the way the hulk's cargo capacity has been split.


Who gives a damn if it has more space then it needs? It's a fleet ship, you put it in the orca as soon as its harvested anyways.


the cargo space itself isn't the issue; read what i wrote.
the way it has been split 7500/500 is the issue. 500 is not sufficient to carry a decent compliment of crystals. if we moved some of the ore bay space back to regular cargo to hold more crystals we'd lose nothing from the ore bay as any thing past one full cycle is "wasted space" that could be (but currently can't be) used for storing crystals. also crystals are a bigger issue for the hulk since it has more strips to load crystals in to hence it needs more space to store them.


The crystals can go in the Orca's corp hangar.
Unit757
North Point
#58 - 2012-07-24 13:43:26 UTC
Dave stark wrote:
Unit757 wrote:
Dave stark wrote:
Unit757 wrote:
Just because the machinaw and skiff got a crazy buff, doesn't mean hulkageddon will end. The hulk itself is relativly unchanged, and the amount of people whining that their hulk "can only fit 1 cycle, fix this CCP" simply proves that idiots will still mine in max yield hulks, and they still still be easily ganked. The few smarter ones will switch to the tankier skiff or machinaw.

All is good, you cant expect most miners to give up some yield to survive, that would be a stupid idea, wouldn't it?


it's more the point that it can only fit 1 full cycle, which leaves room left over in the ore bay, that would be more appreciated in the remaining regular bay for crystal storage. there's a legitimate issue with the way the hulk's cargo capacity has been split.


Who gives a damn if it has more space then it needs? It's a fleet ship, you put it in the orca as soon as its harvested anyways.


the cargo space itself isn't the issue; read what i wrote.
the way it has been split 7500/500 is the issue. 500 is not sufficient to carry a decent compliment of crystals. if we moved some of the ore bay space back to regular cargo to hold more crystals we'd lose nothing from the ore bay as any thing past one full cycle is "wasted space" that could be (but currently can't be) used for storing crystals. also crystals are a bigger issue for the hulk since it has more strips to load crystals in to hence it needs more space to store them.


The armor on my ferox is wasted space, because It's a shield tank. give me more space to hold ammo. Seriously, you can hold 3 sets in the hold, plus one set already loaded, and theres only 4 types of ore in high sec anyways, so your set. Your actually better off now because you have a dedicated hold for the crystals, wereas before it was competing with your ore space.
Richard Desturned
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#59 - 2012-07-24 13:46:49 UTC
Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:
I am not going to comment on the botter situation, since I have no real clue on how many are still in game, how many got banned, how many just quit, and you don't have those numbers either.

As for a resurgence of afk miners, GOOD!
Contrary to what you and the other zealots feel, it is a completely acceptable gamestyle, and important part of the economy, if you use the mineral markets as an example. Plus, as far as I know, CCP get the same amount of real life currency from an afk mining account as from a 0.0 PvP'er.

And let's be honest here. How long will it be before hordes of afk Macks and Skiffs won't be showing up in the safe enclaves of goons and test space which are now capable of tanking the rats?


skiffs are generally used to tank rats in nullsec, actually

npc alts have no opinions worth consideration
Dave stark
#60 - 2012-07-24 13:46:51 UTC
Unit757 wrote:
Dave stark wrote:
Unit757 wrote:
Dave stark wrote:
Unit757 wrote:
Just because the machinaw and skiff got a crazy buff, doesn't mean hulkageddon will end. The hulk itself is relativly unchanged, and the amount of people whining that their hulk "can only fit 1 cycle, fix this CCP" simply proves that idiots will still mine in max yield hulks, and they still still be easily ganked. The few smarter ones will switch to the tankier skiff or machinaw.

All is good, you cant expect most miners to give up some yield to survive, that would be a stupid idea, wouldn't it?


it's more the point that it can only fit 1 full cycle, which leaves room left over in the ore bay, that would be more appreciated in the remaining regular bay for crystal storage. there's a legitimate issue with the way the hulk's cargo capacity has been split.


Who gives a damn if it has more space then it needs? It's a fleet ship, you put it in the orca as soon as its harvested anyways.


the cargo space itself isn't the issue; read what i wrote.
the way it has been split 7500/500 is the issue. 500 is not sufficient to carry a decent compliment of crystals. if we moved some of the ore bay space back to regular cargo to hold more crystals we'd lose nothing from the ore bay as any thing past one full cycle is "wasted space" that could be (but currently can't be) used for storing crystals. also crystals are a bigger issue for the hulk since it has more strips to load crystals in to hence it needs more space to store them.


The armor on my ferox is wasted space, because It's a shield tank. give me more space to hold ammo. Seriously, you can hold 3 sets in the hold, plus one set already loaded, and theres only 4 types of ore in high sec anyways, so your set. Your actually better off now because you have a dedicated hold for the crystals, wereas before it was competing with your ore space.


it's still competing with our ore space, except now we have no control over how it's split (which is badly)