Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Yeah the rookie frigs have to be an exception to that rule since they are spawned out of nothingness instead of being part of the player economy. We don't want them supplanting anything manufactured by players. Rookie frigs are essentially a separate ship class from other frigates rather than a different tier.

We have a ton of cool stuff coming for the manufactured tech one frigates though.

All of them, including the pre-nerf 200km range ROFLFALCON. So kindly shut the **** up, kid.

Overall the numbers look good though, minus that ECM bonus.


DO WANT.

Hideously overpowered in small gangs and extremely poorly implemented from a game mechanics point of view.

My corp are already coming up with ways to abuse the new Ibis for no purpose other than flat out trolling. This bonus is a huge mistake.

so.. a griffin with a 15% bonus per level and 4 mid slots to play with is fine... but an Ibis with 2 slots and a FIXED 30% bonus is OMGWTF BROKEN! good to know ^_^

I can't wait to do a noob ship roam with the new ships.

That's pretty much in-line with Griffin vs Maulus at racial frigate 2. Remember that most EW is somewhat effective without bonus, whereas ECM either needs a ship bonus or stupidly large numbers (see ECM drones).

I assume these guys still warp at 3 AU/s?


Thought on acquiring Rookie ships:

What if they were acquired via a button in-station (with a token timer to prevent people spamming vast numbers thereof), and the race of ship matched the host station rather than the pilot? It's always struck me as odd that the Gallente Federation has an endless supply of Ibises deep in Gallente space.

There might be a slight issue with minimal skills for the appropriate weapon systems, but it's not that hard to get to level 1, and racial frigate bonuses aren't relevant.

Alternatively, let the pilot choose the race of ship.


I like this new take: a jack-of-all-trades frigate, able to just about anything a tech 1 frig could do, but not nearly as well as a pilot with decent skills.

One concern: could pilots be led into thinking that racial frigate skill isn't relevant, and then find themselves unable to fly the T1 ships? Or will this be figured out quickly enough from the pre-reqs? Perhaps the revamped tutorial needs a section on "racial frigate skills", both as pre-req and as power multiplier. ("Your rookie ship uses limited autonomous systems. This means that any pilot can fly it at minimal effectiveness, but also prevents an expert pilot from fully exploiting their skills. Military grade frigates require specific skills to interface with the hull, and improving your skill improves the hull's effectiveness. ... ")