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Rengerel en Distel
#41 - 2012-10-12 15:33:12 UTC
Nothing like necroing a thread to swing your epeen around.

With the increase in shiptoasting, the Report timer needs to be shortened.
Kara Books
Deal with IT.
#42 - 2012-10-13 22:48:08 UTC
MolotovBeats wrote:
Valdearg Dragonblood wrote:
I simply devastate the margins on the item that is being botted and/or aggressively traded.

When I'm trading, I don't care whether it was a 2% or 200% profit on a sale, as long as I make a profit. (And even if I don't, I've got enough income from other sources that I don't mind taking a 1 or 2% loss, just to deprive the bot/.01 isker a profit, as well. ) I've got no interest in camping the station and playing the .01 isk game, nor do I want to just drop out of the market to give the other person a win (I'm competitive (read: Stubborn) like that), so I turn it into a no-win situation.

Basically, if I find that someone is camping something I'm selling and .01 isking me, I'll gouge the margin. First by a relatively small amount, 5 or 10% of the total margin on the item. If they undercut me within a short period of time, I'll gouge the margin by another 15-20%. If they do it again, another 25%. They either learn their lesson and stop undercutting me or they don't make anywhere near as much money on their investment as they had originally planned.

The entertainment value of knowing that I'm wrecking another player's margins is satisfying enough. If I still make a decent profit on the item, it's just icing on the cake.

Now, if they want to buy my goods and put them up for resale at their original level, I've got no problem with that, haha. I made money, they get stuck with having to go through the trouble of selling the goods and .01 isking like they enjoy, so everybody wins, haha.



Ah, so that's the imbecilic reasoning behind that gouging. Interesting to look into the mind of a moron.


On the contrary, Removing profits indefinably is a very effective strategy for removing competition if you dont mind not making ISK from that alt for up to 1 year on your favorite Market Nich'e

I do it all the time, No one Judges the winner.
Scorpii Borealis
Tradors'R'us
IChooseYou Alliance
#43 - 2012-10-14 16:43:19 UTC
Always a pleasure to wreck profit margins Cool
Colman Dietmar
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#44 - 2012-10-18 16:58:58 UTC
Valdearg Dragonblood wrote:
I guarantee I make less than probably all dedicated station traders.


So all you do is just ruin the sales for other people, not even to make any profit from it? And you're not even ashamed of being... that? Amazing.

Just for your information, and for the likes of you. You're not the only stubborn person on the market. Quite contrary, people who .01 isk you are in fact more stubborn than you are, hence they don't have to resort to dumb and inefficient tactics that only cause losses for everyone. So when you undercut something, you'll get .01 on top of it, just to make sure you aren't selling, no matter how much you cut it. And it will be done untill you're pushed into the non-profit ground, from which we can either buy the goods you so kindly delivered without charge, or enjoy watching you dumping your stuff for no profit. Because unlike you, we have patience and we will not die just because one order stopped selling for a couple weeks.

Instead of going through all of that, you may just play the game like everyone else does and profit accordingly to the effort you are willing to make. Unless it's just too much a challenge for a stubborn person like you. Roll
Merchant Sarah
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#45 - 2012-10-19 02:02:49 UTC
Colman Dietmar wrote:

So all you do is just ruin the sales for other people, not even to make any profit from it? And you're not even ashamed of being... that? Amazing.


To be fair, his profits are making nerds like you mad over the internet.
Colman Dietmar
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#46 - 2012-10-19 21:02:30 UTC
Merchant Sarah wrote:
To be fair, his profits are making nerds like you mad over the internet.


Profits? Apparently you aren't enough a nerd to understand my point. It explains your need to replace it with some imaginary maddness that you impute to me.
Zoctrine
Doomheim
#47 - 2012-11-29 19:47:04 UTC
Colman Dietmar wrote:
imaginary maddness that you impute to me.



Relax and take it easy man...
DarthNefarius
Minmatar Heavy Industries
#48 - 2012-11-29 19:50:42 UTC  |  Edited by: DarthNefarius
Lyron-Baktos wrote:
doing a lot of selling then I normally do and forgot how bad the bots were. How do you guys get past it?


Having trouble selling all your FW farming goods Lyron???? I told you to do it before XMassAttention
Actually you are probably better off dollar cost averaging the sell offs over 2-3 years.
So what percentage of the cheap LP faction stuff you off loaded so farQuestion Still got a mega ton ofskill implants?
An' then Chicken@little.com, he come scramblin outta the    Terminal room screaming "The system's crashing! The system's    crashing!" -Uncle RAMus, 'Tales for Cyberpsychotic Children'
Ruvin
Amarr Empire
#49 - 2012-11-29 20:25:01 UTC
Colman Dietmar wrote:
Valdearg Dragonblood wrote:
I guarantee I make less than probably all dedicated station traders.


So all you do is just ruin the sales for other people, not even to make any profit from it? And you're not even ashamed of being... that? Amazing.

Just for your information, and for the likes of you. You're not the only stubborn person on the market. Quite contrary, people who .01 isk you are in fact more stubborn than you are, hence they don't have to resort to dumb and inefficient tactics that only cause losses for everyone. So when you undercut something, you'll get .01 on top of it, just to make sure you aren't selling, no matter how much you cut it. And it will be done untill you're pushed into the non-profit ground, from which we can either buy the goods you so kindly delivered without charge, or enjoy watching you dumping your stuff for no profit. Because unlike you, we have patience and we will not die just because one order stopped selling for a couple weeks.

Instead of going through all of that, you may just play the game like everyone else does and profit accordingly to the effort you are willing to make. Unless it's just too much a challenge for a stubborn person like you. Roll




Lol if ruining game for other ppl is so bad what about gankers ? suicide ones ? evil pirates killing miners? etc

Ruining market isnt done cos one is stubborn but on contrary lasy , and gives up on that for a time or so on .
Play the game like everyone else ... EVE is a harsh place sooner you learn better you sleep :)

Opportunities multiply as they are seized.
Kara Books
Deal with IT.
#50 - 2012-11-30 00:57:00 UTC
11.29.2012
Markets, Jita Amarr Dodixie and rens are clear

GOGO CCP WIN EPIC WIN moves last few months gogogogo winiwin win!
Styth spiting
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#51 - 2012-11-30 01:31:27 UTC
Colman Dietmar wrote:
Valdearg Dragonblood wrote:
I guarantee I make less than probably all dedicated station traders.


So all you do is just ruin the sales for other people, not even to make any profit from it? And you're not even ashamed of being... that? Amazing.

Just for your information, and for the likes of you. You're not the only stubborn person on the market. Quite contrary, people who .01 isk you are in fact more stubborn than you are, hence they don't have to resort to dumb and inefficient tactics that only cause losses for everyone. So when you undercut something, you'll get .01 on top of it, just to make sure you aren't selling, no matter how much you cut it. And it will be done untill you're pushed into the non-profit ground, from which we can either buy the goods you so kindly delivered without charge, or enjoy watching you dumping your stuff for no profit. Because unlike you, we have patience and we will not die just because one order stopped selling for a couple weeks.

Instead of going through all of that, you may just play the game like everyone else does and profit accordingly to the effort you are willing to make. Unless it's just too much a challenge for a stubborn person like you. Roll


It's called getting rid of the competition. If someone moves into some regions I'm buying/selling in and start do to the .01 isk game with me on my orders i'll do everything I can to make it no longer profitable for them. Sure for a while I wont make a profit, and might even lose money for a few days, but once this person is gone I can go back to being profitable. The moment someone is able to make a bit of profit on an item they stay forever, slowly eating away at your profits by doing the .01 isk game, and causing you to lose sales (every time they make a sale instead of yourself).

By "ruining the game" I am able to keep competition low, and my profits over the long run high. If I have to be stubborn to keep rude people from placing orders for the same items I am, then i'll make sure the only people who win is everyone else besides this 1 guy.
Tul Breetai
Impromptu Asset Requisition
#52 - 2012-11-30 10:24:10 UTC
Styth spiting wrote:
Colman Dietmar wrote:
Valdearg Dragonblood wrote:
I guarantee I make less than probably all dedicated station traders.


So all you do is just ruin the sales for other people, not even to make any profit from it? And you're not even ashamed of being... that? Amazing.

Just for your information, and for the likes of you. You're not the only stubborn person on the market. Quite contrary, people who .01 isk you are in fact more stubborn than you are, hence they don't have to resort to dumb and inefficient tactics that only cause losses for everyone. So when you undercut something, you'll get .01 on top of it, just to make sure you aren't selling, no matter how much you cut it. And it will be done untill you're pushed into the non-profit ground, from which we can either buy the goods you so kindly delivered without charge, or enjoy watching you dumping your stuff for no profit. Because unlike you, we have patience and we will not die just because one order stopped selling for a couple weeks.

Instead of going through all of that, you may just play the game like everyone else does and profit accordingly to the effort you are willing to make. Unless it's just too much a challenge for a stubborn person like you. Roll


It's called getting rid of the competition. If someone moves into some regions I'm buying/selling in and start do to the .01 isk game with me on my orders i'll do everything I can to make it no longer profitable for them. Sure for a while I wont make a profit, and might even lose money for a few days, but once this person is gone I can go back to being profitable. The moment someone is able to make a bit of profit on an item they stay forever, slowly eating away at your profits by doing the .01 isk game, and causing you to lose sales (every time they make a sale instead of yourself).

By "ruining the game" I am able to keep competition low, and my profits over the long run high. If I have to be stubborn to keep rude people from placing orders for the same items I am, then i'll make sure the only people who win is everyone else besides this 1 guy.



Lol. We don't leave, we wait.

There's nothing worse than an EVE player, generally considered to be top of the food chain in the MMO world, that cannot smacktalk with wit and coherency.
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