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Mardon Hashur
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#21 - 2012-07-24 23:05:12 UTC
I have nether herd of the CCS could you provide me with some more information regarding this cult Mr.Amith

Sincerly Mardon Hashur
Mardon Hashur
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#22 - 2012-07-25 00:48:14 UTC
Henry Kaine wrote:
If there is a god out there, he would know that I prefer Achuran iced tea in a large glass, and it would appear before me endlessly.

But there isn't a god, and I went and got that delicous golden tea for myself. Just like everything else I've done over my years is attributed to my own hand, and not the phantom power of prayers.




There is a God and it can be proven by the fact that we are communicating. Without the will of God, how could it be possible?
As for your ice tea, God does not necessarily take interest in our lives to the extent that he tries to please us. It is not God's job to please us it is OUR job to pleases God!

Sincerly Mardon Hashur
Makkal Hanaya
Revenent Defence Corperation
#23 - 2012-07-25 00:57:12 UTC
In Celebration of this Vindication of the most Holy Scripture, I will eat Ice Cream using a Spoon of the Appropriate Size for my Social Station.

Render unto Khanid the things which are Khanid's; and unto God the things that are God's.
Henry Kaine
Royal Amarr Institute
#24 - 2012-07-25 01:27:27 UTC
Mardon Hashur wrote:
Henry Kaine wrote:
If there is a god out there, he would know that I prefer Achuran iced tea in a large glass, and it would appear before me endlessly.

But there isn't a god, and I went and got that delicous golden tea for myself. Just like everything else I've done over my years is attributed to my own hand, and not the phantom power of prayers.




There is a God and it can be proven by the fact that we are communicating. Without the will of God, how could it be possible?
As for your ice tea, God does not necessarily take interest in our lives to the extent that he tries to please us. It is not God's job to please us it is OUR job to pleases God!


Don't you worship whoever fell out of the right royal snatch as well? As if some "god" hand picked that family of twits to lead. You cannot prove the will of god anymore than I can prove there is a fashionable tea set orbiting the sun of the Luminaire system. Unless I put it there. But why waste good tea?

A better analogy would be the religions of old who worshiped a wheat-based noodle entity as an affront to the more popular religions of that time. You cannot prove your god exists anymore than I can prove that there are other sky-god entities floating in space and directing the lives of mortals. Capsuleer standards of the empire must have fallen dramatically if they're admitting those who are so naive as to believe arguments where nothing can be proved or disproved are legitimate.
Kazzzi
Heathen Legion
Iron Men of the Hood
#25 - 2012-07-25 01:53:50 UTC
Synthetic Cultist wrote:
other Unwelcome Effects, such as Creating Arguments between Married Couples.

Some spouses are more understanding than others.
Azdan Amith
Doomheim
#26 - 2012-07-25 03:44:23 UTC
I will happily share with you the information I have obtained on the Church of the Crimson Saviour, brother Hashur. I would also seek to advise you not to trade words with Mister Kaine at length, he has no interest in discussion or learning, only in insult and instigation.

There is nothing gained by preaching to those whom have closed their eyes and ears and clenched their fists.

~Archon Azdan Amith,  Order of Light's Retribution
Synthetic Cultist
Church of The Crimson Saviour
#27 - 2012-07-25 17:01:45 UTC
Azdan Amith wrote:
I will happily share with you the information I have obtained on the Church of the Crimson Saviour, brother Hashur.


There is no Need to ask Other Persons, for there is the Explanatory Leaflet.

The Explanatory Leaflet is a Leaflet that Explains. It is about our Church.

Synthia 1, Empress of Kaztropol.

It is Written.
Mardon Hashur
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#28 - 2012-07-25 23:38:32 UTC
Would you mind posting or sending me a link for the leaflet?

Sincerly Mardon Hashur
Synthetic Cultist
Church of The Crimson Saviour
#29 - 2012-09-14 16:06:20 UTC
Experiment 6-03 - Hardships promote Righteousness

Abstract:

As is Written, Hardships promote Righteousness, in the Book of Missions.
This element is examined for validity.
Results are currently Inconclusive.

Introduction:

In the Book of Missions, it is Written:
"Only through many hardships, Is a man stripped to his very foundations
And in such a state, Devoid of distractions, Is his soul free to soar,
And in this, He is closest to God"
- The Scriptures, Book of Missions 42:5

This study examines this passage of Scripture, to determine if harsh conditions result in a population being more Righteous in their Beliefs.
Anecdotal evidence points to the Difference between the Caldari and the Gallente as being a Result of the Harsh conditions on Caldari Prime, and the more Benign conditions on Gallente Prime.

Methodology:

Existing planetary settlements are surveyed to evaluate their living conditions and the level of Righteousness amongst the populace.
A series of experimental habitats are created on the planet of Kaztropol, where the harshness of conditions can be controlled, through adjusting the exposure of the habitats to the Kaztropolitan Mountain Wombat, and the Kaztropolitan Screaming Sheep.
Each habitat shall house one Million human persons, and their Righteousness will be evaluated over a period of two hundred Years.

Data Analysis:

A chi-square association test is used to determine if there is an association between living conditions and piety amongst the populations surveyed.

Results:

Six hundred existing populations were surveyed and evaluated.
The result of a chi-square association test gave a probability of 0.0489, indicating some association between conditions and Righteousness of the population.
No data has yet been collected from Kaztropol.

Interpretation:

The probability statistic from the chi-square Test reveals a Significant association between conditions and piety of the population.
There were many more Fanatic populations in harsh conditions than were expected.
The underlying Reasons behind this remain Unclear.
Example: Do harsh conditions lead to a greater Faith amongst the population? Or do Fanatic people choose to intentionally settle in harsh places ?

Conclusions:

It is Not yet Possible to state whether or not Righteousness is promoted by enduring Hardships, despite anecdotal evidence that this is the case.
Long term studies on Kaztropol will assist in achieving this goal.

Synthia 1, Empress of Kaztropol.

It is Written.
Malcolm Khross
Doomheim
#30 - 2012-09-14 16:44:54 UTC
I suspect you would need to define "righteousness" before beginning this experiment. The Caldari live righteously according to whose standards, for example?

I don't believe God has much acceptance or wholesale appreciation among the population of the Caldari, for instance, so it is unlikely that we would be counted as "righteous" according to the Amarr religion. Perhaps righteousness in this regard means "living in an ordered and productive manner?"

Or perhaps, based on the inclusion of "fanatics" as a category of people, you're asserting that "righteousness" means a pursuit of religion and the divine?

~Malcolm Khross
Anabella Rella
Gradient
Electus Matari
#31 - 2012-09-14 16:46:51 UTC
I conducted a Survey of Several Members of the IGS' Regular Posters (defined as those who've received in excess of 200 Likes) and my Scientific Conclusion, based upon an exhaustive Statistical Analysis, indicates that Synth is indeed yanking our Chains.

When the world is running down, you make the best of what's still around.
Synthetic Cultist
Church of The Crimson Saviour
#32 - 2012-09-16 07:24:20 UTC
Anabella Rella wrote:
I conducted a Survey of Several Members of the IGS' Regular Posters (defined as those who've received in excess of 200 Likes) and my Scientific Conclusion, based upon an exhaustive Statistical Analysis, indicates that Synth is indeed yanking our Chains.


You seem Upset and Angry at everything Lately. And are posting quite Unconstructively.

Are you unwell ?

Question

Synthia 1, Empress of Kaztropol.

It is Written.
Synthetic Cultist
Church of The Crimson Saviour
#33 - 2012-09-18 17:15:47 UTC
Malcolm Khross wrote:
I suspect you would need to define "righteousness" before beginning this experiment. The Caldari live righteously according to whose standards, for example?

I don't believe God has much acceptance or wholesale appreciation among the population of the Caldari, for instance, so it is unlikely that we would be counted as "righteous" according to the Amarr religion. Perhaps righteousness in this regard means "living in an ordered and productive manner?"

Or perhaps, based on the inclusion of "fanatics" as a category of people, you're asserting that "righteousness" means a pursuit of religion and the divine?


The anecdotal evidence of harsh conditions shaping people towards Righteousness as relating to the Gallente/Caldari comparison relates to the characterisation of the Caldari as leaning towards stoicism and duty to things other than oneself, and the characterisation of the Gallente leaning towards pleasing themselves without regard to things other than oneself.

Many ethnic Caldari persons have become Faithful, a thing that causes the Gallente some Concern, and much talk in the Senate.

The category of "fanatics" relates to the classification systems used.

Token followers attended Church on an irregular basis, and read Scriptural materials seldom.
Observant followers attended regularly, and read Scripture frequently.
Fanatic followers attended frequently, and read Scriptural materials on a daily basis.

It is through Interpreting Scripture that Righteousness is Found.

Synthia 1, Empress of Kaztropol.

It is Written.
Hildar Demanin
#34 - 2012-09-26 15:06:35 UTC  |  Edited by: Hildar Demanin
So, let me get this straight, you went and put two identical women, one in a boring good old Uncle-Amarr approved dress and the other in some Gallente teen's clubbing outfit and were surprised when men and women found the latter more attractive.

Sounds like another good cause bought to you by Amarr priests *yawn*.

Next time use common sense and you'd get the result easier and cheaper. speaking of cheaper, if you need another volunteer to dress like a whore for cash, do send me a message, I'd love to earn the money and further this science of theology stuff. (Can I keep the dress if I do?)
Synthetic Cultist
Church of The Crimson Saviour
#35 - 2013-01-12 21:14:56 UTC
Observations from Interactions with People.

I have Observed some Things when interacting with Believers and Non-Believers.

Believers, including Heretics and False Believers, will continue to Argue Things until other things take Priority.

Non Believers will eventually Give Up, and cease their argumentation. They will say things like "It is not worth discussing this", or "You're not worth it".

There is a Lesson here.

The Believers consider a Human person to Always be Worth explaining Things to.
The Non-Believers consider some persons to be of No Worth. That it is Not Worth it to Talk to those People.

Therefore, the fundamental Message of Love found in the Scriptures is Revealed.

That All are Worthy.

Synthia 1, Empress of Kaztropol.

It is Written.
Stitcher
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#36 - 2013-01-12 21:23:30 UTC
If a person is right.... can PROVE that they're right... but is unable to cause the person who is wrong to see and accept their proof or adapt their opinion accordingly, then continuing to attempt to press their case constitutes a waste of time and resources.

I view such occasions as an opportunity to crystallize and refine my own understanding of the subject, but eventually such a conversation will eventually reach the limits of its usefulness and should be abandoned

AKA Hambone

Author of The Deathworlders
Mund Richard
#37 - 2013-01-13 02:30:43 UTC  |  Edited by: Mund Richard
Stitcher wrote:
If a person is right.... can PROVE that they're right... but is unable to cause the person who is wrong to see and accept their proof or adapt their opinion accordingly, then continuing to attempt to press their case constitutes a waste of time and resources.
Sometimes a person knows that he is right, but cannot find any way to convey it.

"We want PvE activities to require active participation and mirror PvP more closely." Stacking penalty for NPC EWAR then? Lock range under 9km from over 100 in a BS is not fun. Nor is two NPC web drones making me crawl 10m/s. PvP SW-900 x5: 75m/s.
Sepherim
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#38 - 2013-01-13 05:12:29 UTC
I must object to these... experiments. I'm no scientist, that's true, but I did take some lessons on political science in the Academy and the first thing any of the courses show is that it is impossible to make experiments in any social science. You can't control the elements because you can't isolate them and thus ignore some, you can't repeat the experiment because you can't create the same situation for a different group, etc. Social sciences, thus, don't have any sort of experimentation possible, only in psychology can experimentation be found to some degree, but most wouldn't consider psychology a social science.

So, as far as your methodology goes, I believe it actually fails to deliver the irrefutable proofs you seek. Afterall, social sciences have very few (if any) scientific laws at all because of this.

Sepherim Catillah Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris Liuteneant Ex-Imperial Navy Imperator Commander
Flavius Arcturus
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#39 - 2013-01-13 06:51:22 UTC  |  Edited by: Flavius Arcturus
Henry Kaine wrote:
Don't you worship whoever fell out of the right royal snatch as well? As if some "god" hand picked that family of twits to lead. You cannot prove the will of god anymore than I can prove there is a fashionable tea set orbiting the sun of the Luminaire system. Unless I put it there. But why waste good tea?

A better analogy would be the religions of old who worshiped a wheat-based noodle entity as an affront to the more popular religions of that time. You cannot prove your god exists anymore than I can prove that there are other sky-god entities floating in space and directing the lives of mortals. Capsuleer standards of the empire must have fallen dramatically if they're admitting those who are so naive as to believe arguments where nothing can be proved or disproved are legitimate.


It is beyond me how you could so completely disregard the God of your Fathers, of all humanity. What role is it that you think we Amarr fill? How could you so wholly ignore your very heritage, and in doing so your birthright? It is written in the very annals of our nation how God sent us the Sefrim to guide our people and the gifts of The Ametat and Avetat that God bestowed upon us


"So the Lord sent forth the Chosen,
to bring forth the light of faith
And those who embrace his love
Shall be saved by his grace
For we are his shepherds in the darkness
His Angels of Mercy.
But those who turn away from his light,
And reject his true word
Shall be struck down by his wrath
For we are his retribution incarnate
His Angels of Vengeance"
- The Scriptures, Book of Reclaiming 4:45

And the Lord spoke, and said, Lo, my people,
Witness, for I have made the worlds of Heaven;
And these worlds I give to you, My Chosen,
So Amarr shall rule the worlds of the Heavens.

None shall stand higher than you save the Sefrim,
Who serve Me as others shall serve you,
For all things under Me serve one higher;
So Amarr shall rule the worlds of the Heavens.

- The Scriptures, Book of Reclaiming 3.19-3.20


Beware the path your mouth paves for you brother Kaine, rather, correct your heart before it is your very undoing.

"There will be neither compassion nor mercy;
Nor peace, nor solace
For those who bear witness to these Signs
And still do not believe."
- The Scriptures, Book of Reclaiming 25:10


In addition, this heretical cult of Sani Sabik will be purged. You filth, you untermenchen, who seek to pervert The Faith will be blotted from existence. Continue with your blasphemous prattle, we will find you. Mind you when we do, we will introduce you to the God of the True Faith. The blood of children and clones will not save you from his justice.

"There will be neither compassion nor mercy; Nor peace, nor solace For those who bear witness to these Signs And still do not believe." - The Scriptures, Book of Reclaiming 25:10
Stitcher
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#40 - 2013-01-13 14:07:40 UTC
Mund Richard wrote:
Sometimes a person knows that he is right, but cannot find any way to convey it.


I think I've got a track record of eloquent conveyance. The problem is that some people are immune to things like proof, knowledge, and critical analysis.

If all of your methods for proving why something should be the case rely on reasoning and rationality, but your audience doesn't understand the value of those things, then pushing forward regardless is largely an exercise in futility.

I often do it anyway in the hope that maybe I might run into the rare person who's capable of being persuaded, but more usually in the certainty that it's an opportunity to externalize my thought process for my own clarification and benefit.

AKA Hambone

Author of The Deathworlders