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Credit wheres credits due - CCP Devs

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Apollo Gabriel
Kill'em all. Let Bob sort'em out.
Ushra'Khan
#21 - 2011-09-23 13:15:27 UTC
Winter Expansion - Extermination!

CCP in a groundbreaking move released the latest of their free expansions in which players get to enter an immersive world which is free of bugs, all bugs, as we are committed to excellence ...


a girl can dream 
Always ... Never ... Forget to check your references.   Peace out Zulu! Hope you land well!
Zagam
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#22 - 2011-09-23 13:20:01 UTC
Show me an MMO free of bugs, I will show you an obsolete game without any players. It is nigh impossible to program a game as complex and dynamic as an MMO without bugs. Heck, most console or single-player PC games ship with bugs, and they go over those games like crazy (due to limited ability to patch bugs). By the time an MMO expansion can be released bug-free, it would be obsolete and most players will have left the game due to lack of new content.
Smoking Blunts
ZC Omega
#23 - 2011-09-23 13:25:31 UTC
Zagam wrote:
Show me an MMO free of bugs, I will show you an obsolete game without any players. It is nigh impossible to program a game as complex and dynamic as an MMO without bugs. Heck, most console or single-player PC games ship with bugs, and they go over those games like crazy (due to limited ability to patch bugs). By the time an MMO expansion can be released bug-free, it would be obsolete and most players will have left the game due to lack of new content.


i understand that soem bugs will slip through Q&A and be fixed post patch, but some of these bugs they have had 5-7 years to fix. and guess what they havnt.

i dont think the current state of the game is about bugs(well for me it sure as hell isnt) its about half finished expansions, pi, incursions, dom. that was put out in a rush with most of the good bits cut.
for me its also about all the bad mechanics that havnt been touched in years, pos's corp managment, roles etc etc etc.

i can live with bugs(done so for nearly 7 years) i cant live with half finsihed features and broekn mechanics

OMG when can i get a pic here
Grey Stormshadow
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#24 - 2011-09-23 13:46:30 UTC
WhyTry1 wrote:
This new experience your having, you know, communicating and get involved with the players on the forums, is good and a refreshing change from the years of silence. Be nice to see more of those blue and red icons on more posts however, see we dont bite, dont be shy, we welcome you into our family.
Keep it up...

This... because sharing information, ideas and feedback back and forth is constructive way to improve EvE experience even that wouldn't be the actual goal. It will bring active people closer to the pot where things are cooked and make them feel that stuff is taken care of. People who know what is happening have more patience than someone who doesn't even know how long he has to wait.

Example: Drone bug
Current status: Long overdue, 5-10 threads of complaints, plenty of bug reports.
Current updates: 1 post from CCP Grayscale

Problems:
- Players do not know is there someone fixing this atm.
- Players do not know the status of the possible fix or have any estimation about when they could expect one.
- Players do not know should they keep posting more complaints to get this issue under some action.
- Players do not know does someone need more information to understand what the problem is.
- Players do not know from where to ask above questions to get answer as forums haven't really provided it.
- Players get pissed after writing about same thing 3+ times and not getting any real updates.

Now... if the dev who is fixing this would actually post to some (maybe new) subforum about "drone bug", he could ask questions about it directly from players and give updates directly to players. If we roll few months back and think about the keyboard shortcut fiasco, that could have been fixed in no time if the information had just gone thru. Forum was filled with posts how to do it right but for some reason even today it still isn't perfect. Usually we talk about small issues, which would be easy to fix if the actual guy who does the work would have all the information he needs.

Anyways just some thoughts again... I may be wrong and if you disagree, it usually means that you're somewhat wiser than me - wouldn't be the 1st time and definately not the last :)

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Yvan Ratamnim
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#25 - 2011-09-23 13:52:17 UTC
LOL primising and not delivering has been the problem, thats why you don't want to give us anything on whats coming yet...

but you are PROMISING TO CHANGE.... ummm doesnt that hold the same truth that we need to see the DELIVERING the change?
Byshop Kayl
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#26 - 2011-09-23 19:27:02 UTC
So... when do we get ANY information with substance?

In my family we have a tradition. We get to open just one present on Christmas Eve. It whets the appetite and stirs the excitement of things to come in the morning. It holds the little ones over and gives them something to dream about and look forward to, so they don't jump on mom and dad's bed at 4am.

CCP Zulu, can you give us just one little present today?

I look forward to the words of substance I hope are coming, yet I reserve my excitement until we see your actions.

The truth is CCP, I'm getting tired. The game is falling asleep, and taking the players with it.

 "Sanity is the playground of the unimaginitive." -- Anonymous "Insanity is doing the same thing over and over again expecting different results." -- A. Einstein
Swooshie
USA Canada Private Corp
#27 - 2011-09-23 19:48:15 UTC
Byshop Kayl wrote:
So... when do we get ANY information with substance?

In my family we have a tradition. We get to open just one present on Christmas Eve. It whets the appetite and stirs the excitement of things to come in the morning. It holds the little ones over and gives them something to dream about and look forward to, so they don't jump on mom and dad's bed at 4am.

CCP Zulu, can you give us just one little present today?

I look forward to the words of substance I hope are coming, yet I reserve my excitement until we see your actions.

The truth is CCP, I'm getting tired. The game is falling asleep, and taking the players with it.



That metaphor was deep and, actually cute. But you do realize that, if they give out one thing, the partisans of everything NOT mentioned at that moment will go ape poop, right? Fact is, at this point it is impossible to do mostly right and still get a consensus from the community.

I wish we got some meat now, I'm eager... but I'll wait and hope...

"It is when I think about meaning that I lose what I meant to say."     -Swooshie
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