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VegasMirage
Blank-Space
Northern Coalition.
#21 - 2012-07-22 12:02:52 UTC
Chribba wrote:
Did he just say that there is one thing you couldn't do in the sandbox?

While I get his view, I definitely do not agree with that statement, it might not be optimal choice but soloing surely is a very valid type of play style, all depends on your end goal.

But of course, despite that, the interaction is a big part of it of course, and for that sake not going full solo is very much encouraged, because the community is awesome.

/c


most full solo players are in private convo channels filled with only solo pvpers and their broadcasting live - most of them know eachother

no more games... it's real this time!!!
Eternus8lux8lucis
Guardians of the Gate
RAZOR Alliance
#22 - 2012-07-22 12:16:37 UTC
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
Richard Desturned wrote:
Chribba wrote:
Did he just say that there is one thing you couldn't do in the sandbox?

While I get his view, I definitely do not agree with that statement, it might not be optimal choice but soloing surely is a very valid type of play style, all depends on your end goal.

But of course, despite that, the interaction is a big part of it of course, and for that sake not going full solo is very much encouraged, because the community is awesome.

/c


if you play a multiplayer game solo, are you really playing it

I think we should clarify what we mean by solo play. Do we mean that solo players don't cooperate with other players, or that they don't interact with them at all?

One of them is perfectly fine in this game, the other is not.

Technically you cant actually never interact with others. Unless from the start you can obtain, build and maintain everything yourself, which technically you cant do. You could potentially build yourself up to this point but until then you are entirely dependent on buyers or sellers of various goods. Just because you dont have a forum footprint or talk to people doesnt mean you arent interacting and therefore "playing" with others.

So in no way can you actually play solo. The minute you log in your interacting. As you pop up in someone elses local window, are an actual ship or entity within that solar system. And though some can be very sparsely populated indeed your never truly by yourself.

Have you heard anything I've said?

You said it's all circling the drain, the whole universe. Right?

That's right.

Had to end sometime.
Ten Bulls
Sons of Olsagard
#23 - 2012-07-22 12:41:17 UTC
So CCP create a massive sandbox, and then tell customers they arent allowed to sit in the corner by themself.

If CCP every get around to understanding solo and casual gameplay this game could be good.
Gaellia Bonaventure
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#24 - 2012-07-22 17:52:23 UTC
I bet you can't guess what I'm doing solo right now....

Bring your possibles.
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#25 - 2012-07-22 18:08:05 UTC
Ten Bulls wrote:
So CCP create a massive sandbox, and then tell customers they arent allowed to sit in the corner by themself.
No. They build a massive sandbox and then tell customers that sitting in a corner by themselves is rather meaningless (not to mention near-impossible).
James Amril-Kesh
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#26 - 2012-07-22 18:28:09 UTC
Eternus8lux8lucis wrote:
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
Richard Desturned wrote:
Chribba wrote:
Did he just say that there is one thing you couldn't do in the sandbox?

While I get his view, I definitely do not agree with that statement, it might not be optimal choice but soloing surely is a very valid type of play style, all depends on your end goal.

But of course, despite that, the interaction is a big part of it of course, and for that sake not going full solo is very much encouraged, because the community is awesome.

/c


if you play a multiplayer game solo, are you really playing it

I think we should clarify what we mean by solo play. Do we mean that solo players don't cooperate with other players, or that they don't interact with them at all?

One of them is perfectly fine in this game, the other is not.

Technically you cant actually never interact with others. Unless from the start you can obtain, build and maintain everything yourself, which technically you cant do. You could potentially build yourself up to this point but until then you are entirely dependent on buyers or sellers of various goods. Just because you dont have a forum footprint or talk to people doesnt mean you arent interacting and therefore "playing" with others.

So in no way can you actually play solo. The minute you log in your interacting. As you pop up in someone elses local window, are an actual ship or entity within that solar system. And though some can be very sparsely populated indeed your never truly by yourself.

What I mean by not interacting is a player who stays in their NPC corp or a corp of their own, and focus purely on PVE content without ever talking to or shooting at anyone else. That's what I was trying to clarify.

You can do that, but it's not how the game is intended to be played.

On the other hand, solo piracy for example, is still solo gameplay but it's a lot more in line with CCP's intent, as there is competitive interaction (even though there is no cooperative interaction).

Enjoying the rain today? ;)
Shameless Avenger
Can Preachers of Kador
#27 - 2012-07-22 18:46:24 UTC
Eternus8lux8lucis wrote:

Technically you cant actually never interact with others. Unless from the start you can obtain, build and maintain everything yourself, which technically you cant do. You could potentially build yourself up to this point but until then you are entirely dependent on buyers or sellers of various goods. Just because you dont have a forum footprint or talk to people doesnt mean you arent interacting and therefore "playing" with others.

So in no way can you actually play solo. The minute you log in your interacting. As you pop up in someone elses local window, are an actual ship or entity within that solar system. And though some can be very sparsely populated indeed your never truly by yourself.


I see what you are trying to say. You need people to sell stuff to you and you need people to buy stuff from you. Without that interaction, it takes longer to progress in game...granted. But longer does not mean impossible. You can very well survive with bounties/LP and fit meta 4 from your own loot until you can invent yourself some tech2.

About having other people in the system... being alone and playing alone are different things. However, examples of this would go deeply into the land of "what if, what if, what if...".

I believe you can be a solo noob and do well. It is the big stuff what you can't do solo. Even if nobody attacks you, there's a limit as per how many towers you can fuel by yourself. Don't expect to hold sovereignty over 3 regions all by yourself. But being a noob solo? Sure you can.

"This is the Ninja. He will scan you down; he will salvage your wrecks and there shall be no aggro"
Shameless Avenger
Can Preachers of Kador
#28 - 2012-07-22 18:52:37 UTC
James Amril-Kesh wrote:

What I mean by not interacting is a player who stays in their NPC corp or a corp of their own, and focus purely on PVE content without ever talking to or shooting at anyone else. That's what I was trying to clarify.

You can do that, but it's not how the game is intended to be played.

On the other hand, solo piracy for example, is still solo gameplay but it's a lot more in line with CCP's intent, as there is competitive interaction (even though there is no cooperative interaction).


The game was built on risk vs reward. Playing with others is a greater risk, and has grater rewards. Just like low sec missions have greater rewards, with the added risk of having no concord, being in a corp with friends is more profitable, as long as your friends don't back-stab you.

"This is the Ninja. He will scan you down; he will salvage your wrecks and there shall be no aggro"
Shameless Avenger
Can Preachers of Kador
#29 - 2012-07-22 18:54:50 UTC
Tippia wrote:
Ten Bulls wrote:
So CCP create a massive sandbox, and then tell customers they arent allowed to sit in the corner by themself.
No. They build a massive sandbox and then tell customers that sitting in a corner by themselves is rather meaningless (not to mention near-impossible).


Ship spinning is not meaningless... stop hurting my feelings Oops

"This is the Ninja. He will scan you down; he will salvage your wrecks and there shall be no aggro"
ashley Eoner
#30 - 2012-07-22 19:29:08 UTC
I enjoyed eve until I went to the official forums and found out that the game is dying and I'm the reason why...
Ishtanchuk Fazmarai
#31 - 2012-07-22 20:02:05 UTC
Alara IonStorm wrote:
EVE = Central Africa Online... In Space.

Hi-Sec is the poorly guarded UN Refugee Camp.
Low sec are the guys in trucks with machete's.
Null Sec is the warring paramilitary groups that call themselves freedom fighters.
Wormholes is the towns so small there are no roads, maps or law.


Good analogy.

Now just throw in the vastly superior alien "friendly" force spreading peace and civilization by the very effective method of killing every last punk opposing them and I'll be happy with EVE. Twisted

Roses are red / Violets are blue / I am an Alpha / And so it's you
bbb2020
Carebears with Attitude
#32 - 2012-07-22 22:47:35 UTC
Pix Severus wrote:
Even "solo" players interact with other players, there is no escaping it. Every time you sell your mission loot or ore, you are selling to players, every time you buy a new ship, or gun, or mining laser, you are buying from players.

Unless you do nothing in-game except for flying around in an Ibis, then you aren't playing solo.

You see - there is where you're wrong. You could potential be buying and selling stuff from or to a bot and you wouldn't know. thats not interacting.

Ten Bulls wrote:
So CCP create a massive sandbox, and then tell customers they aren't allowed to sit in the corner by themself.

If CCP every get around to understanding solo and casual gameplay this game could be good.

Therein lays the understanding of what he is trying to say. The kid sitting in the corner, playing by him- / herself, is playing a game but there actually not playing the game that the hole of the sandbox is.

It's like this. You have a brother whom has kids. you see them every day as they're living just down the street You are a part of a family.

But unless you have kids of your own, you actually not part of the most important family. Your own. Hope you get my picture as there is a distinctive difference in how it effects you life.

It's perfectly okay to not wanting to have kids but CCP has build you a family house with rooms for kids and by sitting alone in that big house, your missing out on something. That is what he is trying to say.
Nikodiemus
Ganja Clade
Shadow Cartel
#33 - 2012-07-23 00:20:13 UTC
"Welcome to Eve online. Here's a Rubik's cube, go **** yourself."
Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
#34 - 2012-07-23 01:31:13 UTC


I would describe the game as having to choose whether you want to be castrated or have your tool amputated but leave the balls.

Bring back DEEEEP Space!
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