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Command ships / T3 boosting.
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Cpt Roghie
Chemical Invasion Co.
#21 - 2012-07-21 13:17:41 UTC
Suddenly Forums ForumKings wrote:
Goremageddon Box wrote:
MinefieldS wrote:
Do you see generals running around with rifles?



No, they sit somewhere safe and ... command.


and sip on tea and eat crumpets.


No, fleet commanders are typically on the battlefield with their fleet and in the thick of it with everyone else.


Then again the FC is not normally in a command ship now is he?

This could be fun.
Large Collidable Object
morons.
#22 - 2012-07-21 13:28:46 UTC
They're for lame-ass pricks that think 'solo' pvp using a combat ship, an offgrid booster and a falcon alt makes them 'super-elite' and it should be fixed.

It's not so much of a problem with CS as they can indeed be probed rather easily, but T3 boosters can still be fitted to be close to unprobable by anything but a specialized character with a virtue set - and even then, hitting D-scan every now and then and warping to the next spot as soon as probes appear within a certain vicinity isn't exactly hard.

Due to grid-FU, best way to fix it would be to make them just work like heavy dictor bubbles within e.g. 150 km range.

Oh - and boosting from within pos shields has to go - even if they're on-grid.
You know... [morons.](http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4gjOx65yD5A)
MadMuppet
Critical Mass Inc
#23 - 2012-07-21 13:33:59 UTC
In the modern battlefield, why are the AWACS, J-STARS, and GLOBAL HAWK aircraft not on the front line? That is how I view this concern(whine). There is nothing stopping a group from scanning down and going after these ships, just as there is nothing stopping a modern enemy from trying to kill the command and control assets that are out of 'rifle range'.

This message brought to you by Experience(tm). When common sense fails you, experience will come to the rescue. Experience(tm) from the makers of CONCORD.

"If you are part of the problem, you will be nerfed." -MadMuppet
Bloutok
Perkone
Caldari State
#24 - 2012-07-21 14:21:45 UTC
So, what most of you are saying is that having very little risk for boosting ships is ok ?

The bonus they give is minimal ? To the point where using one is not worth the monthsssss of training?

They are soooooo weak that, in truth, no one ever uses any of those ships ?

You may want to explain things by saying that commanders do not show up on field, but i think the main argument is not role playing, it's risk VS reward.
Irya Boone
The Scope
#25 - 2012-07-22 22:35:01 UTC
just need to boost T3 ^( gallente one ) specially

CCP it's time to remove Off Grid Boost and Put Them on Killmail too, add Logi on killmails .... Open that damn door !!

you shall all bow and pray BoB
Renan Ruivo
Forcas armadas
Brave Collective
#26 - 2012-07-22 23:13:37 UTC
Tarsus Zateki wrote:
Neutral warfare link ships on the other hand are annoying in highsec warfare. It would be nice if they were flagged as aggressive if they turn on their links while in a fleet with members who are involved in a war.


+1

The world is a community of idiots doing a series of things until it explodes and we all die.
Grumpymunky
Monkey Steals The Peach
#27 - 2012-07-22 23:31:09 UTC
Tarsus Zateki wrote:
Its remarkable how cyclical the whining on this forum is. One day its miners being ganked, the next its goons, the next its technitium, then its command ships.
Don't forget "afk cloakers" immediately followed by "remove local."

Post with your monkey.

Thread locked due to lack of pants.
Renan Ruivo
Forcas armadas
Brave Collective
#28 - 2012-07-22 23:35:37 UTC
Grumpymunky wrote:
Tarsus Zateki wrote:
Its remarkable how cyclical the whining on this forum is. One day its miners being ganked, the next its goons, the next its technitium, then its command ships.
Don't forget "afk cloakers" immediately followed by "remove local."


Incursions. High-Sec LP farming. Sov Bashing. Structure Grinding. T2 BPO's. Bots. POS Mechanics. Sanctum Nerf. David Caruso.

The world is a community of idiots doing a series of things until it explodes and we all die.
Nylith Empyreal
Sutar Rein
#29 - 2012-07-23 02:53:04 UTC
Those who keep to the rear, take it in the rear.

Who's the more foolish the fool or the fool who replies to him?
Linda Shadowborn
Dark Steel Industries
#30 - 2012-07-23 03:05:11 UTC
Nylith Empyreal wrote:
Those who keep to the rear, take it in the rear.


happy bum fun.. best fun
Pollychrest
Phantom Space
Space Madness.
#31 - 2012-07-23 16:08:03 UTC
Having just put an alt into a perfect boost loki I agree to an extent that changes need to be made. Being in a POS does involve 0 risk and essentially gives every ship in your fleet a snake set+faction tackle, or whatever the respective boost is, at minimal risk in ISK.

That being said, I would guess that the vast majority of T3 Boosters are flown as alts while dual boxing. When roaming it can actually be difficult to predict where the boosts will be most useful and set them up prior to engaging. Any competent enemy will be able to spot your boost T3 alt that jumped into system 3 minutes before you gang and is mysteriously uncloaked at a safe spot.

To counter T3 boosts with the current mechanics I just put combat probes out. 9/10 times people don't want to have to baby sit a boost alt when pvp is happening. The other 1/10 times I have gotten very expensive kills, one even had a 2.4 billion isk pod.

Alternatively, decline engaging in a system with boosts set up if the fight will not end favorably. It's easy enough to tell when people are using boosters, and it's actually quite difficult to jump them into a hostile system, create or warp to a safe, and get the wing/squad commander into the system as well, all before a hostile gang figures out what is going on and moves.

Bottom line: I agree that boosting from a POS is lame and needs to be changed. Otherwise, adapt to the situation and put pressure on the guy dual boxing a booster.
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