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Cheating in ATX is bad. Lying about it is worse. Attempting to cover it up is atrocious.

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claire xxx
KarmaFleet
Goonswarm Federation
#21 - 2012-07-20 21:26:52 UTC
Namamai wrote:
Smearing you? Please. I'll copy/paste here the exact same thing I said in Failheap:

Quote:
Claire donated a non-trivial amount of money to our ATX warchest, and he was under the impression that this gave him the right to tell our tourney captains how to run their matches and who should be flying. (Hint: If you're not showing up to practices, you're not flying. Don't give a **** how many billions of isk you've got.)

He left Stimulus of his own volition, and we wish him the best of luck in his future endeavors. I made the personal call to return his isk donation, as a sign of no hard feelings. Now he's gotta make me feel bad about being nice.

This is news to me; I was in the match, and I heard Booley on TS.

Brent's at work, so I'll make poast: as co-captain, I stand by our pilots and by our performance in our matches. All characters fielded in every match were Rote pilots, using ships purchased with Rote isk. (I should know, as I've been handling the Jita purchases and hauling for Rote!) All characters on field met the AT requirements for time spent in the alliance. To the best of my knowledge, we have complied with ATX rules.

Claire was a great pilot, and was mostly a pleasant person during his time in Rote. Sadly, AT apparently does strange things to people -- it seems to turn normal people into complete sperglords. (Really, the funniest part of the thread on Rote forums was the demand that we had to give our flagship to you if it survived.)

Here's the only "smear" I'll post on you, Claire -- this whole thing is proof that a trillion-isk wallet balance can't compensate for a bitter personality. I hope you find an alliance that is more accommodating to your whims.


I love how you leave things out Namamai.

If you'll recall I said that I wanted the Flag Ship back, if it survived, to auction off for CCP's charity. It's all in the details mate, all in the details.

You know full well that the ATX rule allowing Dradius to fly was circumvented by allowing him to log into Booley's alt aUTOKILL. To say otherwise is a lie.

Bitter? Maybe, when people like you post complete fabrications and half truths, deliberately leaving out the WHOLE truth.
Medea Zarr
MILLITECH
#22 - 2012-07-20 21:34:31 UTC
In before CCP!Twisted

regards

WE BUY THINGS WE DON'T NEED WITH ISK WE DON'T HAVE TO IMPRESS PEOPLE WE DON'T LIKEĀ 

Poetic Stanziel
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#23 - 2012-07-20 21:36:48 UTC
Ripard Teg predicted all of this would happen.

:)
Medea Zarr
MILLITECH
#24 - 2012-07-20 21:43:21 UTC
"It has all happened before and will happen again"

regards

WE BUY THINGS WE DON'T NEED WITH ISK WE DON'T HAVE TO IMPRESS PEOPLE WE DON'T LIKEĀ 

Vera Algaert
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#25 - 2012-07-20 21:49:36 UTC  |  Edited by: Vera Algaert
Namamai wrote:

Brent's at work, so I'll make poast: as co-captain, I stand by our pilots and by our performance in our matches. All characters fielded in every match were Rote pilots, using ships purchased with Rote isk. (I should know, as I've been handling the Jita purchases and hauling for Rote!) All characters on field met the AT requirements for time spent in the alliance. To the best of my knowledge, we have complied with ATX rules.

none of this contradicts the OP's claims

(edit: I confess that I'm inclined to believe the OP's claims as (a) I know of an account sharing incident in last year's AT which suggests that this practice is somewhat common [in that case it was a player helping out his former alliance by playing one of their characters], (b) the "no account sharing" rule of the EULA is generally not enforced outside of disputes over account ownership making this look like a fairly safe way to cheat, (c) the motivation is obvious - the best pilots do not always own the best character for the job (or a character that meets CCP's requirements) , (d) Namamai doesn't make any effort to address the allegations and talks purely about "characters")

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claire xxx
KarmaFleet
Goonswarm Federation
#26 - 2012-07-20 21:51:52 UTC
The only true way to determine who is telling the truth is for CCP to look at who logged into which accounts, from which ISPs.

Alekto Descendant
ElitistOps
Deepwater Hooligans
#27 - 2012-07-20 21:54:09 UTC
Sooooo this dude was dual boxing and still beat us? mad props.

Also no one cares at all if some dude was flying some other dudes account.

You left your alliance over this? Seriously, that's pretty messed up.
Lexa Hellfury
Perkone
Caldari State
#28 - 2012-07-20 21:54:42 UTC  |  Edited by: Lexa Hellfury
So do you expect CCP to retroactively ban/DQ the last 4 winners of the alliance tournament? Because I know for a fact that Hydra and PL both have account shared their way to victory. Account sharing in the AT is a time honoured tradition. Hell, the year Gobbins got banned from the tourney for flying around Jove space he finished the tourney flying on one of Garmon's accounts. CCP are suddenly gonna start selectively banning teams that have bitter ex-members outing them? The only difference between this and other teams doing the same thing is someone is crying about it.
Powers Sa
#29 - 2012-07-20 21:56:53 UTC
Why can't people just play by the rules? If your team is good enough to win, you'll win. If not, then better luck next year.

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claire xxx
KarmaFleet
Goonswarm Federation
#30 - 2012-07-20 21:59:46 UTC
Alekto Descendant wrote:
Sooooo this dude was dual boxing and still beat us? mad props.

Also no one cares at all if some dude was flying some other dudes account.

You left your alliance over this? Seriously, that's pretty messed up.


My point is that no one was dual boxing. That's what they claim happened. The truth is they let Dradius, who wasn't eligible to fly in ATX, use one of Booley's alts to circumvent the rules.

If you and Pandemic Legion don't care that's cool. I, on the other hand dislike cheating. Not only did they game the system after being warned not to, but they violated the spirit of the ATX rules.

And yes, I left my alliance over it. I don't wish to be associated with an alliance or it's pilots that I consider as cheating in ATX.
claire xxx
KarmaFleet
Goonswarm Federation
#31 - 2012-07-20 22:00:53 UTC
Lexa Hellfury wrote:
So do you expect CCP to retroactively ban/DQ the last 4 winners of the alliance tournament? Because I know for a fact that Hydra and PL both have account shared their way to victory. Account sharing in the AT is a time honoured tradition. Hell, the year Gobbins got banned from the tourney for flying around Jove space he finished the tourney flying on one of Garmon's accounts. CCP are suddenly gonna start selectively banning teams that have bitter ex-members outing them? The only difference between this and other teams doing the same thing is someone is crying about it.


Says another bitter ex-Rote Kapelle guy who left over drama.
Lexa Hellfury
Perkone
Caldari State
#32 - 2012-07-20 22:02:15 UTC
claire xxx wrote:
Lexa Hellfury wrote:
So do you expect CCP to retroactively ban/DQ the last 4 winners of the alliance tournament? Because I know for a fact that Hydra and PL both have account shared their way to victory. Account sharing in the AT is a time honoured tradition. Hell, the year Gobbins got banned from the tourney for flying around Jove space he finished the tourney flying on one of Garmon's accounts. CCP are suddenly gonna start selectively banning teams that have bitter ex-members outing them? The only difference between this and other teams doing the same thing is someone is crying about it.


Says another bitter ex-Rote Kapelle guy who left over drama.


Excellent counter-argument.
Namamai
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#33 - 2012-07-20 22:03:45 UTC
Vera Algaert wrote:
Namamai wrote:

Brent's at work, so I'll make poast: as co-captain, I stand by our pilots and by our performance in our matches. All characters fielded in every match were Rote pilots, using ships purchased with Rote isk. (I should know, as I've been handling the Jita purchases and hauling for Rote!) All characters on field met the AT requirements for time spent in the alliance. To the best of my knowledge, we have complied with ATX rules.

none of this contradicts the OP's claims

Obviously, we can't prove that we aren't account sharing, because you cannot prove a negative. How would you suggest we prove it?

At best, we'd post the combat logs from Ben's desktop and laptop, but there's no IPs in Eve logs, so we can't prove that. Not that IPs prove anything about location, anyways. (And besides, he has a NATting firewall, so they'd just be 192.168.1.100 and .1.101 anyways.) We could post the Mumble recording, but it's not like anyone outside Rote would be able to say "hey, this sperging neckbeard sounds different from this other sperging neckbeard."

Ultimately, Claire has yet to post any proof either. I look forward to the next stage of his meltdown, and the chat-logs, forum screenshots, and other faked blurf that will no doubt ensue. This is just spam in a speculation thread, ibtl.

Fake Edit:

If you've been in Rote in the last six months, you'll will know that Ben Booley lives about 20 minutes' drive away from me. Suppose I pick up my laptop and drive to his house, and play on his network connection -- it's far more reliable than the tin cans and string that pass for DSL in my neighborhood. SNAP, THE IPS ARE THE SAME, BEN AND NAM ARE TOTES ACCOUNT SHARING. Oh noes, Imma get banned and will have to sadly give up internet spaceships and go play Hello Kitty Island Adventure instead.

Fake Edit Two:

Imagine that I now tie strings to Booley and play on his account, using him like a marionette. Does that count as account sharing? (He's into light bondage, so he'd probably enjoy it.)
kyrieee
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#34 - 2012-07-20 22:03:53 UTC
The rule pertains to characters, not pilots

The character he flew was eligible to be flown
WiLi19
Doughboys
#35 - 2012-07-20 22:04:30 UTC
Katalci wrote:
hey
From: Apathetic Brent
Sent: 2012.07.20 21:08
To: Katalci,

stay the **** out of that thread. tell all other veto/girl to stay out too. Let us handle this. Please. All you're doing is bumping the thread and putting it back at the top.

love you man
Brent



i don't always bump threads in eve-o forums, but when i do, it's about rote "cheating"
From: Armand Visage
Sent: 2012.07.20 21:10
To: Katalci,



you're just keeping the thread at the top of the forums and giving claire more excuse to sperg.



LOL
claire xxx
KarmaFleet
Goonswarm Federation
#36 - 2012-07-20 22:08:06 UTC
kyrieee wrote:
The rule pertains to characters, not pilots

The character he flew was eligible to be flown



"All competing pilots must have been members of the alliance for which they are competing, and be a member of that Alliance by downtime on May, 05, 2012."
claire xxx
KarmaFleet
Goonswarm Federation
#37 - 2012-07-20 22:13:49 UTC
Namamai wrote:


Fake Edit:

If you've been in Rote in the last six months, you'll will know that Ben Booley lives about 20 minutes' drive away from me. Suppose I pick up my laptop and drive to his house, and play on his network connection -- it's far more reliable than the tin cans and string that pass for DSL in my neighborhood. SNAP, THE IPS ARE THE SAME, BEN AND NAM ARE TOTES ACCOUNT SHARING. Oh noes, Imma get banned and will have to sadly give up internet spaceships and go play Hello Kitty Island Adventure instead.

Fake Edit Two:

Imagine that I now tie strings to Booley and play on his account, using him like a marionette. Does that count as account sharing? (He's into light bondage, so he'd probably enjoy it.)


Good point Nam. I guess it's a good thing for me that Bacch and Brent, and Booley and Dradius live hundred of miles apart from each other. I wonder how someone sitting in one state can be logged into his own account while his alt is logged into an account in another state several hundred miles away?

Edit: Bad bracket, replaced
fattrader II
Gods Holy Light Bringing You're Penance
#38 - 2012-07-20 22:30:14 UTC  |  Edited by: fattrader II
How in the world could you have been in rk for 6 months, and still have the nerve to try to sabotage their efforts? surely you formed some friends in that time, and it's over very trivial reasoning too, it is against the eula to acc share, but I honestly doubt CCP cares at all under the current circumstance, otherwise some action would have been taken already. RK have given great matches, every one has enjoyed them, that's what the CCP tourney team mainly cares about, I will be extremely surprised if anything comes from this, and that's saying something given how biased I am due to recentish events
Poetic Stanziel
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#39 - 2012-07-20 22:31:32 UTC
kyrieee wrote:
The rule pertains to characters, not pilots

The character he flew was eligible to be flown
Fair point.
Heimdallofasgard
Ministry of Furious Retribution
Fraternity.
#40 - 2012-07-20 22:31:33 UTC
I'm quite enjoying this thread... would like to see what ccp have to say :)
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