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Cheating in ATX is bad. Lying about it is worse. Attempting to cover it up is atrocious.

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claire xxx
KarmaFleet
Goonswarm Federation
#1 - 2012-07-20 20:16:59 UTC  |  Edited by: claire xxx
So ... the cat's out of the bag over on Failheap ... and Rote Kapelle are in full on damage control-lying-smear-coverup mode.

But I'm here to spread a little truth about the RvB-Rote Kapelle and Pandemic Legion-Rote Kapelle matches. I'll try to make this succinct.

The team captain for Rote Kapelle is Apathetic Brent. During the RvB-RK match he flew out of bounds in a Huginn and CCP Sreegs destroyed him.

What Brent wants everyone to think is that he was dual boxing with Apathetic Brent and xoXFatCatXox.

What actually happened was that Brent was flying xoXFatCatXox and Bacchanalian was (in violation of the EULA-ToS account sharing rule) logged into Apathetic Brent's account flying in the tournament as Apathetic Brent.

Then during the PL-RK match Ben Booley and his alt aUTOKILL were both in the match. But Ben's alt was being flown by Dradius Calvantia (also in violation of the EULA-ToS account sharing rule) because Dradius doesn't meet the "time in alliance requirement" to fly in the tournament for Rote Kapelle.

Considering last years debacle and the spirit of the rules I warned Brent and Booley after the RvB match and before the PL match to not circumvent the rules again.

They did it anyway.

This should be fairly easy for CCP to check as all of the people's ISPs are fairly far apart and quite different.

Now rules are rules and they violated them. Then they didn't like the fact that I disagreed with violating those rules, so I left Rote Kapelle rather than fly with people who condone cheating and lying.

I was going to let this go. Just say nothing and no one would be the wiser. Then, today, I was Cc'd some stuff going on over at Failheap. Apparently Booley and Brent had made several false postings about dual boxing in the match ... knowing full well that they were lying.

That was the final straw and I registered over there and made a few posts. Now ... lol ... you can watch the lies come out as people like Bacch and Namamai smear me in an attempt to lie their way out of it.

You know, in the end, it's not so much the account sharing that bothers me. It's that people I played Eve with are ready, at the drop of a hat, to cheat, lie, and smear others to cover it up.

It's also about violating the spirit of what AT should be, a competition played fairly and honestly. Considering what happened last year, and CCPs response to it this year I'd think CCP would take a dim view on any form of violations where the AT is concerned.

I've actually reported the violations to CCP Sreegs. No reply as of this posting.

Claire


TL;DR

RK Cheated in ATX and lied about it to cover it up.
claire xxx
KarmaFleet
Goonswarm Federation
#2 - 2012-07-20 20:22:50 UTC
PS. The edit was to correct spelling in the title.
Snake O'Connor
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#3 - 2012-07-20 20:26:26 UTC
claire xxx wrote:
So ... the cat's out of the bag over on Failheap ... and Rote Kapelle are in full on damage control-lying-smear-coverup mode.

But I'm here to spread a little truth about the RvB-Rote Kapelle and Pandemic Legion-Rote Kapelle matches. I'll try to make this succinct.

The team captain for Rote Kapelle is Apathetic Brent. During the RvB-RK match he flew out of bounds in a Huginn and CCP Sreegs destroyed him.

What Brent wants everyone to think is that he was dual boxing with Apathetic Brent and xoXFatCatXox.

What actually happened was that Brent was flying xoXFatCatXox and Bacchanalian was (in violation of the EULA-ToS account sharing rule) logged into Apathetic Brent's account flying in the tournament as Apathetic Brent.

Then during the PL-RK match Ben Booley and his alt aUTOKILL were both in the match. But Ben's alt was being flown by Dradius Calvantia (also in violation of the EULA-ToS account sharing rule) because Dradius doesn't meet the "time in alliance requirement" to fly in the tournament for Rote Kapelle.

Considering last years debacle and the spirit of the rules I warned Brent and Booley after the RvB match and before the PL match to not circumvent the rules again.

They did it anyway.

This should be fairly easy for CCP to check as all of the people's ISPs are fairly far apart and quite different.

Now rules are rules and they violated them. Then they didn't like the fact that I disagreed with violating those rules, so I left Rote Kapelle rather than fly with people who condone cheating and lying.

I was going to let this go. Just say nothing and no one would be the wiser. Then, today, I was Cc'd some stuff going on over at Failheap. Apparently Booley and Brent had made several false postings about dual boxing in the match ... knowing full well that they were lying.

That was the final straw and I registered over there and made a few posts. Now ... lol ... you can watch the lies come out as people like Bacch and Namamai smear me in an attempt to lie their way out of it.

You know, in the end, it's not so much the account sharing that bothers me. It's that people I played Eve with are ready, at the drop of a hat, to cheat, lie, and smear others to cover it up.

It's also about violating the spirit of what AT should be, a competition played fairly and honestly. Considering what happened last year, and CCPs response to it this year I'd think CCP would take a dim view on any form of violations where the AT is concerned.

I've actually reported the violations to CCP Sreegs. No reply as of this posting.

Claire


TL;DR

RK Cheated in ATX and lied about it to cover it up.

Quoting for posterity.
claire xxx
KarmaFleet
Goonswarm Federation
#4 - 2012-07-20 20:27:55 UTC
Thanks
Linda Shadowborn
Dark Steel Industries
#5 - 2012-07-20 20:53:55 UTC
as much as I enjoy a good gossip:

where is the proof?

and if it is all true why didnt you just email CCP Sreegs with the information and have them deal with it?
Jimmy Luv
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#6 - 2012-07-20 20:56:02 UTC
Linda Shadowborn wrote:
as much as I enjoy a good gossip:

where is the proof?

and if it is all true why didnt you just email CCP Sreegs with the information and have them deal with it?


"I've actually reported the violations to CCP Sreegs. No reply as of this posting."

learn to read pal. will be following this thread with much interest.
claire xxx
KarmaFleet
Goonswarm Federation
#7 - 2012-07-20 20:56:11 UTC
Linda Shadowborn wrote:
as much as I enjoy a good gossip:

where is the proof?

and if it is all true why didnt you just email CCP Sreegs with the information and have them deal with it?


The proof is on the servers, I don't have access to that, but CCP does.

As far as emailing CCP, I have. No response and tomorrow ATX starts back up. The information needed put out so someone would see it.
Jax Desmond
Rapid Offworld Transport and Exports
Rote Kapelle
#8 - 2012-07-20 20:57:57 UTC
i think he means 'why not just the evemail but also this thread"

i don't know this claire guy but 9 out of 10 times the answer will be attention whoring
Katalci
Kismesis
#9 - 2012-07-20 20:59:17 UTC  |  Edited by: Katalci
The title made it sound bad, but if it's just account sharing to get past some regulations not really meant for these situations, then v0v.

If this makes RK not fight tomorrow I will be very spacemad, because I want to see those matches :o

Jax Desmond wrote:
i think he means 'why not just the evemail but also this thread"

i don't know this claire guy but 9 out of 10 times the answer will be attention whoring

Claire has been a well-respected member of Veto, then Stimulus, for a year.

Linda Shadowborn wrote:
and if it is all true why didnt you just email CCP Sreegs with the information and have them deal with it?

Maybe consider reading the thread?
claire xxx
KarmaFleet
Goonswarm Federation
#10 - 2012-07-20 21:04:56 UTC
Katalci wrote:
The title made it sound bad, but if it's just account sharing to get past some regulations not really meant for these situations, then v0v.

If this makes RK not fight tomorrow I will be very spacemad, because I want to see those matches :o


From the EULA:

Section 2-A. You may not share your Account with anyone, or allow anyone other than you personally (or your minor child, if you have registered an Account on behalf of your minor child) to access or use your Account. Joint or shared ownership or use of an Account by more than one user is prohibited.

Section 2-B. B. You will be asked to select a password during the registration process ("Password"). You may not disclose your Password to anyone or allow anyone to use your Password to access the System or play EVE. You are responsible for maintaining the confidentiality of your Password and for any damage, harm, lost or deleted characters, etc. resulting from your disclosure, or allowing the disclosure, of any Password, or from use by any person of your Password. You may not obtain, attempt to obtain, use or attempt to use the password of anyone else. You are responsible for remembering your Account information and Password.

And what little regulations would you be talking about getting past? The time in alliance restriction rule for ATX?
Katalci
Kismesis
#11 - 2012-07-20 21:08:38 UTC  |  Edited by: Katalci
An RK dude just PM'd me saying to stop posting because I'm bumping this thread :/
Katalci
Kismesis
#12 - 2012-07-20 21:13:50 UTC
hey
From: Apathetic Brent
Sent: 2012.07.20 21:08
To: Katalci,

stay the **** out of that thread. tell all other veto/girl to stay out too. Let us handle this. Please. All you're doing is bumping the thread and putting it back at the top.

love you man
Brent


i don't always bump threads in eve-o forums, but when i do, it's about rote "cheating"
From: Armand Visage
Sent: 2012.07.20 21:10
To: Katalci,



you're just keeping the thread at the top of the forums and giving claire more excuse to sperg.
joefishy
Original Sinners
Pandemic Legion
#13 - 2012-07-20 21:14:36 UTC
Bit Over the top aint it ?
Mr Rive
Sniggerdly
Pandemic Legion
#14 - 2012-07-20 21:15:32 UTC
They won fair and square. Of course if CCP doesn't see it that way we will be glad to take the win off them
notarealgirl
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#15 - 2012-07-20 21:16:13 UTC
Considering how important the PL vs RK match is this is a big thing.
CCP will be able to check the connection logs.
Linda Shadowborn
Dark Steel Industries
#16 - 2012-07-20 21:16:28 UTC
shesh i read the thread and i missed that bit. wow you guys are agressive :) smoke a joint and play with the trouser titan some
claire xxx
KarmaFleet
Goonswarm Federation
#17 - 2012-07-20 21:17:05 UTC
joefishy wrote:
Bit Over the top aint it ?


Maybe, but I don't like liars or cheaters. I also don't like being smeared on Failheap for telling the truth.
IamBeastx
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#18 - 2012-07-20 21:17:12 UTC
notarealgirl wrote:
Considering how important the PL vs RK match is this is a big thing.
CCP will be able to check the connection logs.


INB4 our logs show nothing.

All my life i wanted to be someone, now i know i should have been more specific.
claire xxx
KarmaFleet
Goonswarm Federation
#19 - 2012-07-20 21:18:50 UTC
Mr Rive wrote:
They won fair and square. Of course if CCP doesn't see it that way we will be glad to take the win off them



I'm not saying that wasn't a good fight on their part. I'm saying they violated EULA-ToS rules to circumvent ATX rules.
Namamai
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#20 - 2012-07-20 21:21:54 UTC  |  Edited by: Namamai
Smearing you? Please. I'll copy/paste here the exact same thing I said in Failheap:

Quote:
Claire donated a non-trivial amount of money to our ATX warchest, and he was under the impression that this gave him the right to tell our tourney captains how to run their matches and who should be flying. (Hint: If you're not showing up to practices, you're not flying. Don't give a **** how many billions of isk you've got.)

He left Stimulus of his own volition, and we wish him the best of luck in his future endeavors. I made the personal call to return his isk donation, as a sign of no hard feelings. Now he's gotta make me feel bad about being nice.

This is news to me; I was in the match, and I heard Booley on TS.

Brent's at work, so I'll make poast: as co-captain, I stand by our pilots and by our performance in our matches. All characters fielded in every match were Rote pilots, using ships purchased with Rote isk. (I should know, as I've been handling the Jita purchases and hauling for Rote!) All characters on field met the AT requirements for time spent in the alliance. To the best of my knowledge, we have complied with ATX rules.

Claire was a great pilot, and was mostly a pleasant person during his time in Rote. Sadly, AT apparently does strange things to people -- it seems to turn normal people into complete sperglords. (Really, the funniest part of the thread on Rote forums was the demand that we had to give our flagship to you if it survived.)

Here's the only "smear" I'll post on you, Claire -- this whole thing is proof that a trillion-isk wallet balance can't compensate for a bitter personality. I hope you find an alliance that is more accommodating to your whims.

TBQH this entire thread is pure speculation.
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