Skill Discussions

Where's the explanation from them so i can read it?


See all i remember in the original presentation, is that with T3 ships, there would be 7777 possible configurations with regards to subsystem configurations......Guess what, we're not even close to that with just T3 cruisers..


And quoting prices being too expensive for a given ship class?......Were you here when the first T3 cruisers became available and cost several billion a piece, and those loaded with isk bought them without even thinking twice about it?

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1437506#post1437506

20s on Google.

Fair enough on the Tech 3 ships for the frigate and battlecruiser class, but he isn't against Tech 3 ships for the battleship class....Read the post yourself.

Clearly I misremembered about battleships.

Got a task that Battleships are needed for that Battleships can't currently complete, where the versatility offered by having many ships in one package (that's what T3s are meant to be) would be what allowed the new ships to complete the task?

Incursions come to mind, where the tech T3 battleship can have an even better tank than the Tech 2 variants and pack a bigger punch damage wise....It would reduce the need to use so many logistics ships to keep ships alive in those situations.


In actual combat(pvp), it's hard to imagine as it depends what type of subsystems are available beyond straight damage and tanking ones....

Fine, let's use your example then.....3 chars and each breaking 100 million SP, wich takes roughly 4 years to train up each char to that level, for a total of 12 years of training right?... i can't train all 3 at the same time on the same account you know?(then you'd have a point).

Versus me training my single char on everything ship related and it also takes 12 years too....



It's been answered in this reply, right at the very top...

3 characters gets you a well rounded 100mSP Subcap+Capital pilot (with plenty of room to keep training), a well rounded 100m SP industrial pilot (with some space to grow), and a well skilled Titan pilot (with only 1 Titan trained) all at the same time. That means you can be in a Titan, have an industrial operation set up, and have a well skilled Subcap+Cap pilot with quite a bit of training to go before "perfection." Given that you have 180m SP, had you chosen to split your SP intelligently, you would still have 3 or 4 years of training to do before running into any sort of wall of "what do I train," at which point, you can keep training that Subcap+Cap pilot, cause there's plenty for him to train past 100m SP (since you can easily do 100m SP without touching Capital skills).

Where did I ever give the impression that I wasn't aware that you can't train multiple character's on one account at the same time? Do me a favor: Open up the skill queue and look at the button next to "Apply." What does it say? Is it "Pause" or "Invoke Chittering Doom?" I so often get those two confused.

Anyway, 12 total years of training to get 3 100m SP characters is roughly accurate. The Game's been out for 9 years and change.
Once you have all 3 at 100m SP, keep filling them in and improving them. You'll eventually (after 20 years or so of training) hit 400m total SP, at which point your complaints will gain some validity.



So you don't have any evidence to support your claim after all, and are resorting to an appeal to ignorance? Ok.

You have never actually looked at the numbers, I take it?

T1 and T2 are not simple stats upgrades. If they were, the Scimitar would be a better brawler than the Rupture; the Cerberus would be a better disruption ship than the Blackbird; the Deimos would be a better drone boat than the Vexor not be called the Diemost.

T2 are specialisations of specific roles, making the ships better in one aspect but worse in many others. Likewise, T3 isn't supposed to better than T2 — it's supposed to be more versatile. Some ships break this design, and once tiercide get around to them, they'll be adjusted. So yes, the main reason we haven't seen more T3 (or even a completion of the cruiser T3 line) is that there are no useful roles left to fill — “more” isn't a role, and that's where most of them have ended up and why they all need adjustments.

T3 is less of a pain in the ass to train than T2… but again, tiercide will reduce the pain of T2 training so they should come out roughly equal once everything is said and done. Regardless, T3 is just an example of “broader”, not “deeper” so there's no point in adding more of that if there is no room for a broader selection of ships. For instance…

This role is already filled. They're called Marauders. A T3 version would over all have less tank and a smaller punch, damage-wise but would let you mix and match to add something more like, say, a bomb launcher or bonused probe lanchers or a micro-clone bay or… whatever.

Compelling argment.

I suppose that Pipa hit close to home then — your lack of things to train is a result of your choice, not of the game design.

I did say class for class didn't i?, but i guess i should have added using the same hull too to avoid confusion.....So the back bird should be compared to a falcon, the Deimos to a regular thorax and so forth...






This i agree with in part, but the reality that the skill will likely be longer to train, have higher pre requirements and more expensive, and god knows how expensive the ships would be, but i'd guess at least 2X more expensive than a T2 marauder is a safe bet, and that all roles are filled, leaves them with no choice but to move up the power scale, and not just be better in a very specific situation, with a very specific fit....



I don't expect CCP to make them easy to train to be honest and certainly not cheap just by looking at the silly prices T3 cruisers still have over T2 ones even today, where the former are 3x the price and that's just the ship with the subsystems installed, hence why i preffered command ships for overall damage and tanking ability over Tech 3 cruisers and they're cheaper too boot....Tech 3 cruisers are good for specific setups( cloaked recon with the interdiction nullifier subsystem rocks), but that's a specific scenario.







This i don't agree with much since marauders were released for regular missions, and well before incursions were added to the game wich are significantly tougher to kill and do way more damage than any mission, and using better A.I.....What was possible to do alone in missions with aa marauder, certainly isn't the case with incursions, as you'll see marauders die in under a minute even if they're pimped out with faction/deadspace/officer gear....


A really well organized gang is an absolute requirement to handle them basically, especially the tougher incursions and worse yet when the mothership pops up in the final and toughest part of all