Skill Discussions

So, a bit like defender and FoF missiles?

Apply that to a titan's guns for another 125% extra damage, though as it is, from level 4 to lvl 5 takes 53 days so one can imagine the time needed from lvl 5 to lvl 6....Probably the better part of an entire year.

I don't have a dedicated titan pilot char at all, and this one does it all.....In fact i trained all 4 titans to lvl 5 already, and the same goes for carriers and dreads too, even though i can only fly 1 at a time and half of the capital ships can't be docked anyhow.


I've always had an issue with content that pretty much requires a second char, unless your main feels like piloting a flying coffin for the rest of this life, wich is what a super carrier or titan are, and having been playing this game for so long, i have a problem with signing up for a second account to train a pilot to fly one of these, when my main can do it just fine, if the damn ship was dockable.



Now i know these ships are large and don't fit in an outpost or NPC station at all....Frankly it's histerical seeing one undock when it's far larger than the station it came out of, but couldn't CCP make a docking structure that can handle a few dozen super carriers and titans, around a moon that's protected by a force field, similar in principle to a POS, but with a shield with 100x more shield HP than a large POS, and it also has it's own defences to deal with.



Something that can still be destroyed, but takes a huge fleet to do it and they will take heavy losses trying to destroy this thing, and the incoming defence fleet, but the payoff is destroying an installation that's hard to build, and either destroying those super carriers and titans, or even capturing them for the hostile fleet's own use, if there's enough pilots in the assaulting fleet available that can fly what's there, and fight with them, sell them.....Do whatever they want really.



I'd park mine in that huge installation, then take a shuttle to the outpost to fly something else docked there....The one thing i do not want to be is stuck in a titan for the rest of my life, and the irony would be that i would still be forced to train skills that have nothing to do with it in the first place....




I'm not that far from maxing out the ship command tree, wich has 117 million sp across 61 skills with all skills maxed out and is the longest skill tree in the game, and this is a space ship based game above all else, no matter what else CCP adds to it.

Not everyone's an RPer. My point is that training time isn't a particularly significant balancing factor (just like price isn't), especially when it comes to capital and supercapital skills where many people have dedicated alts.

If you have everything you want, why does it matter if you keep training at all? Alternatively, once you have everything you want, start another character at the same time and be able to operate in two different locations without travel time.

After 9 years, it seems strange that you still think of skills (the SP kind) are what provides content in EVE.

I think that adding more skills, particularly offensively narrower skills, helps to solve PART of the bitter vet problem.
Further more, certain aspects of the game will never correct themselves, such as the gap between new and old player. Guess what, when a game grows from 5 years old to 10 years old, the gap between bitter vets and noobs grows. and in 5 years, when game grows to almost 15 years old (hopefully we get there) the gap grows even wider. If you allow people to specialize more and more, it sets new goals for older players. Adding content for older players is one of the only ways you will retain some of the people that are going to jump ship to another form of entertainment.

Now, lets play fantasy skills

I want....
advanced weapon specializations
+5% per level, level 16 skill (lots of time with a medium grade of return)
required awu5, gunnery 5, whichever spec your advancing 5, surgical strike 5

Racial fighter specializations
+5% per level, level 16 skill, effects both fighters and fighter bombers
required that drone spec 5, fighter 5, advanced drone interfacing 5,

I like the suggestion of having larger magazines for turrets too

But basically, any skills that take a considerable amount of time to train that makes the career path more narrow, would help the game. so long you dont get a 3k dps mach, time invested in the game should create an element of imbalance between players.

The second example. That's why I started with "once you have all the skills you want." I know people who stopped training their mains after they perfected the skills needed to fly frigates. They had everything they wanted, so they started an alt to support them. You're in the same boat (albeit at a much higher SP total).

Again, if you can reach a point of having every skill you *want* trained without having every skill in the game trained, you're clearly not simply a completionist, so you must have some thing that you do with your game time, and whatever that is, I would guess that that is what drives you to play, not the slow ticking of the SP clock, so again, once you have all the skills you want, why not quit training that character and either start another toon on that account that complements it, or just don't train (after all, you have all the skills *you* want)?

Now, once people start hitting the 400m SP barrier and there's a real risk of someone completing all the skills in the game, CCP's gonna have to do something.

Why not to mining crystals? :P
miners should be able to know how to arrange their crystals so it wont be a huge pile off mess like it usualy is xD

I don't see any problem. You have 3 character slots on each account. If you've got everything you want trained trained on one character, start another.

It's your choice to limit yourself to one character when your account comes with 3 character slots.

Again, once you can fly the ships you enjoy flying perfectly, what does it matter whether you're training at all? You have the ships, they're as good as they can be, and (I assume) you're having fun with them.

Dr Caymus made a choice to keep training his single character because he enjoys having one of the highest SP totals in the game. That's a choice he made. If he hadn't made that choice, he'd have 2 characters with Science Maxed out, and be starting on his third and still be about 80m SP from filling that account with science alts. So he chose to keep training on that character despite having the option to run his science in parallel in order to rack up a high SP total. That's his thing, and I don't see a problem with that choice if it makes him happy.

I didn't say you had to train the exact same things again (though that is one option), but: to be able to be in two places at once, to have a Supercap alt, to have a production alt. There are tons of advantages to having alts and as many different ways to use them, whether they are on separate accounts or on the same account as your main.

How in the world do new skills provide a challenge? Is clicking "add to skill queue" difficult now? If you're looking for a new challenge, start a new activity that you aren't familiar with. Move to a new area. There are tons of ways to find new challenges in EVE.

No, Caymus made a choice to keep training skills that weren't particularly relevant to his goals because he enjoys having a high SP total. Having all the accounts SP consolidated on one character has some value to him and he values that more than the extra utility that he would have had if he had stopped Dr Caymus's training and trained the other 2 character slots on that account to do science in parallel with Dr Caymus. The limitations of the science tree had nothing to do with it.

The idea that anyone's forcing you to keep training on the same character when you have 3 slots on each account.

The primary advantage of age in EVE has always been versatility. You're suggesting a change to that paradigm.