Skill Discussions

maybe something like
Extended Magazines: increases the capacity of all Missile launchers and hybrid and projectile turrets by 5% per level
Prerequisites:- gunnery 5, Weapon upgrades 5, missile launcher operation 5.

the RP note could be something along the lines of "with extensive experience at handling and loading ordnance the pilot has been able to devise more efficient storage for ammunition with in his weapons magazines with minimal modification to the overall structure."

it would be great for big fights or pos bashing and not OP in small scale combat.

I don't see how that would be even remotely interesting considering that the specialisations as they currently are, only offer a 2% bonus for every level trained, and some of them are already rank 8 skills, so they take about 25 days to get that extra 2% when going from level 4 to lvl 5.


So you can imagine how long it would take from lvl 5 to lvl 6, if it's still a rank 8 skill and the bonus is still 2% per level.....100+ days of training that one skill for that extra 2% over it being at level 5, i don't think so and i can think of far better skills that can give a 5% or even a 7.5 % bonus and takes far less time to train up.


That final bonus would have to be far larger than 2% to even remotely interest me putting that much time training it, and newer players are still left behind if CCP takes this aproach too, so it's still the same problem and there's no way to reduce the skill point gap and not **** off a lot of subscribers.......Us old farts have been with the game since it was born, and put up with a lot of imbalances and exploits and even the server routinely crashing 2~3 times a day back in 2003, so we've put up with a lot and it took years to get to where we are, now that we're there, we're somehow supposed to be slowed down so that newer players don't feel the skill point gap as much?....I don't think so and they have to be patient just like we did all these years.


This whole skill point gap argument goes as far back as 2004 to be honest, and at the time i only had 11 million sp and people were already complaining that 2003 players had too much of a lead over 2004 players....It's basically one of the oldest arguments in the game...

No, we don't.

It's hard to say what is CCP's plan for the old players and if they simply want us to quit the game, as they can't be bothered to create content for the old player base that's actually challenging enough and worth our while, especially considering we're a relatively small minority of their customer base, and since we've have been playing this long, CCP might be under the impression that they're in no obligation to create content for us, as they take old players for granted as customers that will continue to play the game for years to come, not those that will get bored of it after a few months and CCP needs to add content all the time to keep them hooked.



Enough with the new player experience to be honest, as people either like the game or they don't, and adding even more content isn't going to change this simple fact, but the old farts of the game are in need of attention for once....

While not exactly a weapon skill it would be handy to have the ability to modify a weapon to oncrease its capacity for charges. Maybe a bpo that takes the weapon as one of the mats and produces the same weapon but modified as stated.

One of the requirements of the bpo would be the skill that allows the user to run it. Something like "Increase ammunition capacity - projectile". Each level trained would increase the capacity by 10%, with level 5 upgrading the weapon to hold 50% more ammunition than before.

Correct on number 1, since in 2 odd years from now, i'll have every ship related skill, for every race and every ship class, completely maxed out.....I do not care for research, manufacturing, trade, corporation skills and social skills at all, and that removes about 130+ million skill points i'll never bother with.


Wrong on number 2, i actually want much more powerfull skills for ships~modules that are quite a bit better than anything available right now, but so expensive and time consuming to train up, that only veterans with the determination and long term vision to play the game for the next several years, would even consider training for them.


War is never meant to be fair and old players who in a matter of months, will have been playing for 10 years straight, are tired of being held back while CCP continues to concentrate on the new player experience pretty much exclusively, and CCP stating that it's the players that create the content only goes so far( wars, back room deals, etc...)


On number 3, you're right and there are skills right now i'd never bother with, speciafically those that only offer a 2% bonus and are rank 8 skills.....I can live with 98% of the max a given module can provide, and can think of other skills where the bonus is at least 5%, and shorter to train to boot.....

Just so you know, according to the original game developers way back in 2003( i think it was oveur that mentioned it), the game was supposed to have 5 tech levels, and we already see the mess they're doing with Tech 3 ships, since only cruisers have been released so far in the past 18+ months......Where are the other classes of tech 3 ships? ( frigates, destroyers, battlecruisers and yes even battleships)...At the rate they're going, i'll be dead in real life before i see them in game.



CCP once mentioned a few years ago in a survey they made that the average eve pilot, plays the game for 9 months then usually quits, but that's not the case for all players and the most veteran players in the game are aproaching an entire decade of playing( and paying) for the game, and yes there are only so many skills in the game precisely because CCP pays more attention to the short term player, wich constitutes the majority of the player base fair enough, at the expense of holding back game development for those that take the challenge to play the game for years, wich i'm sure CCP sees them as customers they don't have to worry about since they believe we'll never leave, so they don't really have to do anything for us and that's not cool...

Christ, no! Train something else. There's more to pvp than dps.

You could always hand over the skill queue to another character on the same account, maybe create a trade-only character and sit him in Jita. Or start training a mining character for sale in the future. No need to waste the skill queue training what you perceive to be rubbish.

I'd be all for a broadening of the available skills, I just hate a one-dimensional power curve. For example, not that you can get a little more general DPS out of your turrets, but maybe that you'd be able to pierce through shields with a certain chance (sort of the opposite skill to Tactical Shield Manipulation), same with armour - and that structural damage would actually start to affect the ship's performance in some ways.
Or how about a 'cover that area in bullets/beams/...' skill (requiring Rapid Fire V), where you don't aim at a specific target, but the rough area, sort of a suppression fire - most shots will be wasted (so maybe it's a burst at 2-5x normal firing speed), but whatever ships are in the area have a certain chance of getting hit (depending mostly on sig, not speed)? It would obviously alter big vs. small ship combat, lotf of testing and balancing required, but that's what SiSi is for afterall.