Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Never gonna happen.

That would kill the game in less than a year,
because nobody needed to play the game anymore.

What i mean is, when you buy your SP,
there is no time left to explore the game from the ground up.

People will just do what they believe they want to do,
will ignore pretty much the rest and leave when they are bored of it.

The instant-gratification-generation ...
... no clue about how bad their life really is ...
... because they never knew better.

This is no game for you.
This game is for people who realize,
New Eden is a huge world of possibilites to explore.

It's not "Enter -> fun".
It's "Enter -> work".

But there's plenty of fun to be had with that approach.

It's rewarding! That's something you i.g.'s never really will understand, (maybe you will. i wish you luck.)
because your kind of "reward" is faked. Too easy to obtain.
Made by people who know how it works,
to make sure you stick in the game.

They feed you a bit ... and another bit ... and another one ...
... just that you stick to them. They never dare making a game too hard,
because you could be pissed and leave instead of finding it CHALLENGING !

Like, even modern computer games are way too easy and boring.
Filled with little tips nobody with a thinking mind really needs. ("press X now", for example)
Too easy, no real reward.


EvE is HARD ! CHALLENING !
You have to build yourself up !

It's definitly no game for you,
as your thread already proves.


Spare me the tinfoilhat-****, that's just the way it is. Ask Zynga.
FarmVille is the game you want to play.
Or any (most) modern games.

Also, you have no clue about the bazaar and why it's the method of choice.
There's a huge difference in making a skilled toon out of nothing,
or buying a skilled toon which actually had to progress over time.


Go kill some other game with your mental shortage.

Have fun there. :)

death klokk....even worse name.

Oh sweet irony

No. AU for SP ? Please don't.

And I'd like the ability to buy/sell characters removed from the game. That eliminates the "but I can buy a character, how different is that?)"

AU for a booster to help you earn SP faster - that I could accept.

And as for AU for a name change - I can support that, TBH, so long as it is carried with your employment history. Myself I'd like to be able to use the third name feature with this character, as it should be Knug Li Di, but at the time the character was created, a third name wasn't an option.

******* die

it will never happen, and if it does a huge chunk of eve population will straight up quit.

first off, the character bazarr is a market, the more demand the higher the price, same with plex. this means that if your rich IRL and spend a million dollars on plexs the price will plummet there... your rational is cash->plex-> isk is faulty because the ammount of isk u will get depends on demand... an example is 2-3 years ago plex was about 200mil isk. now its almost 400mil isk.


buying SP will be at a static price which will damage the game mechanics for regular players, ruin the character bazaar, and lead to mass quitting.

You also would get to choose your name. Countless recreation of corp theft characters with no history but huge skill point base. And endlessly increase the capital population "which is already inflated".

That is but a few reasons on a monolithic iceberg of problems this would introduce. You obviously have not spent enough time to properly understand how this game works. And for that reason alone, I can not take your opinion seriously.

Also what does buying game time have to do with your reasoning, and buying a character has many flaws to it. You receive that characters corporation history, their possibly sloppy skill placement, standings with NPC factions, old relations with other players, and most of all what ever name comes with them. Do not think for a second that buying a character is free SP. You may be able to fly ahead of a new character. But you pay a lot to do so, in more than one way. Not to mention the transfer of characters that are already in the system is not inflating the SP base.

Pubbies getting trolled hard.

While I am indifferent at this point because I am only 2 years in.

Many of you are forgetting the fact that money does not buy skill. It might buy skill points, but it doesn't actually buy skill.

Just because this new player buys a new account, buys a ton of skill points and buys a nice shiny new ship does not mean they are actually going to be good with it. They will almost for sure succumb to some sort of gate camp, wormhole exploration error or otherwise stupid decision.

Skill comes with experience, the longer you have played the more you have.

Sadly that's just another side of the same coin. When I started this game in '06 it was very hard for new players. You were total crap having next to nothing in total sp, having to train base skills at an excrusiatingly slow rate because the learning skills were in the game. There was no sped up training rate to start with. And you liked it . .

That is what made the game so worthwhile. It took time to get some competency in something. It made you realize the importance of choices when you realized that those industry skills were not going to help your combat character (or vice versa). Unfortunately all the changes have slowly eroded the investment aspect of character creation so now we get this open trolling for free sp (or easier sp).

Someone above in this thread also said they would have no issue with purchasing a "booster" for sp training time. That is really no different than the outright purchase of the sp.

And for those that still say blah blah character bazaar is buying sp anyway, I'm too tired to explain fully the flaws in that assertion. Do some searches on the shitstorm incarna launch threads that still sit on the forum archives (assuming CCP hasn't scrubbed them). I never liked the character bazaar and the thought of spending billions of isk to purchase an already trained character makes me barf, but there is a difference at least to the eve economy and gamepay in allowing that instead of outright rl cash for sp purchases.

Lastly, instant gratification is not what this game has been about. Although, sadly it has been slowly turning that direction. The day the company goes full ****** and fucks up the game beyond all recognition is the day I will quit. And, I will be far from alone in that action. And, no, all the instant gratifaction whores left in the game will not get our stuff. But, it probably won't matter because you will just be able to credit card purchase similar stuffs anyway. Regardless, CCP will realize then that whores do not have any long-term commitment and the game will quickly die. Not seeing a bright future for the P2W Dust and WoD in the CCP pipeline either. Maybe, the company, well management, will wake up. One can hope.

edit- gotta love the new ******** profanity filters

Not to mention big corps would be able to boost an entire group of newbies to expert level overnight for the cost of a titan, further pushing the average player to the sidelines.

No.