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Zalgo13
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#1 - 2012-07-19 16:16:36 UTC
I had this idea a while ago and I threw it at CCP Manifest a few months ago, but I don't know if it got anywhere.

So the idea was to have a ship that did bonus damage to structures.
This would be used full for small alliances and corporations that can't field 70-300 man fleets like the other nullsec power houses.
Stoogie
Cadre Assault Force
#2 - 2012-07-19 16:18:05 UTC
Its an interesting concept but it'll need to have some serious downside.
Mallak Azaria
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#3 - 2012-07-19 16:19:12 UTC
Dreads are already pretty good for this.

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James Amril-Kesh
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#4 - 2012-07-19 16:19:34 UTC
Zalgo13 wrote:
I had this idea a while ago and I threw it at CCP Manifest a few months ago, but I don't know if it got anywhere.

So the idea was to have a ship that did bonus damage to structures.
This would be used full for small alliances and corporations that can't field 70-300 man fleets like the other nullsec power houses.


And large alliances would be able to steamroll that much more effectively.

Enjoying the rain today? ;)
Alara IonStorm
#5 - 2012-07-19 16:20:22 UTC
Zalgo13 wrote:

This would be used full for small alliances and corporations that can't field 70-300 man fleets like the other nullsec power houses.

It would also benefit nullsec powers that can field 70-300 man fleets of structure supermelters.

Paging Malc to the thread.
Zalgo13
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#6 - 2012-07-19 16:23:37 UTC
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
Zalgo13 wrote:
I had this idea a while ago and I threw it at CCP Manifest a few months ago, but I don't know if it got anywhere.

So the idea was to have a ship that did bonus damage to structures.
This would be used full for small alliances and corporations that can't field 70-300 man fleets like the other nullsec power houses.


And large alliances would be able to steamroll that much more effectively.



Well it would be but the larger alliances still use Dreads, SC's and the occasional titans, but mainly Maelstrom fleets.
So the new ship would just have top be less effect than all of these but still effective enough for small groups of people to use.
Jafit
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#7 - 2012-07-19 16:28:36 UTC
So you want a ship that is more effective than subcaps for shooting structures, but can't be used for anything else? It sounds like you're looking for something called a dreadnought.
highonpop
KarmaFleet
Goonswarm Federation
#8 - 2012-07-19 16:30:36 UTC
Mallak Azaria wrote:
Dreads are already pretty good for this.



You can't use a dread to shoot at a large POS tower in high sec.


I can attest that shooting a POS in high sec with a small wardec corp fielding 10-15 BS takes a very very very very very long time.

FC, what do?
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#9 - 2012-07-19 16:33:55 UTC
highonpop wrote:
Mallak Azaria wrote:
Dreads are already pretty good for this.



You can't use a dread to shoot at a large POS tower in high sec.


I can attest that shooting a POS in high sec with a small wardec corp fielding 10-15 BS takes a very very very very very long time.


I hear officer fitted nightmare are the way forwards.
Zalgo13
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#10 - 2012-07-19 16:34:42 UTC
Jafit wrote:
So you want a ship that is more effective than subcaps for shooting structures, but can't be used for anything else? It sounds like you're looking for something called a dreadnought.


I'm trying to address the fact that when you're in a small alliance, that only fields about 20-30 people, and you go to a POS bash in stealth bombers, and it takes about 2-3 hours to take down a large pos, there should be an alternative, a ship that is more efficient than what there is now.
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#11 - 2012-07-19 16:36:32 UTC
Zalgo13 wrote:
Jafit wrote:
So you want a ship that is more effective than subcaps for shooting structures, but can't be used for anything else? It sounds like you're looking for something called a dreadnought.


I'm trying to address the fact that when you're in a small alliance, that only fields about 20-30 people, and you go to a POS bash in stealth bombers, and it takes about 2-3 hours to take down a large pos, there should be an alternative, a ship that is more efficient than what there is now.



pulse apocs/geddons
Zalgo13
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#12 - 2012-07-19 16:43:16 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
Zalgo13 wrote:
Jafit wrote:
So you want a ship that is more effective than subcaps for shooting structures, but can't be used for anything else? It sounds like you're looking for something called a dreadnought.


I'm trying to address the fact that when you're in a small alliance, that only fields about 20-30 people, and you go to a POS bash in stealth bombers, and it takes about 2-3 hours to take down a large pos, there should be an alternative, a ship that is more efficient than what there is now.



pulse apocs/geddons



Even with battleships it still takes a very long time.
Sarah Schneider
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#13 - 2012-07-19 16:46:51 UTC
Zalgo13 wrote:
I had this idea a while ago and I threw it at CCP Manifest a few months ago, but I don't know if it got anywhere.

So the idea was to have a ship that did bonus damage to structures.
This would be used full for small alliances and corporations that can't field 70-300 man fleets like the other nullsec power houses.


And what would stop the not-so-small alliances from fielding bigger fleet of these ships? also, dreads?

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dkbjitawhore
Logi Bribes Please Ignore
#14 - 2012-07-19 16:53:56 UTC  |  Edited by: dkbjitawhore
You don't need an entire new ship. Simply Release new battleship guns(no missiles unless very high cycle time) with nil tracking, as in when you warp on grid, it takes a few minutes for your gun to get aimed at the target. If someone bumps you, your tracking would take a minute or two to re-adjust.

Bomber's paradise, effectiveness ruined if the targets has the smallest amount of velocity.
Kyle Ward
Doomheim
#15 - 2012-07-19 17:01:27 UTC
Mallak Azaria wrote:
Dreads are only good for this.

FTFY

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Jafit
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#16 - 2012-07-19 17:09:05 UTC
Zalgo13 wrote:
Jafit wrote:
So you want a ship that is more effective than subcaps for shooting structures, but can't be used for anything else? It sounds like you're looking for something called a dreadnought.


I'm trying to address the fact that when you're in a small alliance, that only fields about 20-30 people, and you go to a POS bash in stealth bombers, and it takes about 2-3 hours to take down a large pos, there should be an alternative, a ship that is more efficient than what there is now.



There is. They're called DREADNOUGHTS
Zalgo13
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#17 - 2012-07-19 17:43:38 UTC
Jafit wrote:
Zalgo13 wrote:
Jafit wrote:
So you want a ship that is more effective than subcaps for shooting structures, but can't be used for anything else? It sounds like you're looking for something called a dreadnought.


I'm trying to address the fact that when you're in a small alliance, that only fields about 20-30 people, and you go to a POS bash in stealth bombers, and it takes about 2-3 hours to take down a large pos, there should be an alternative, a ship that is more efficient than what there is now.



There is. They're called DREADNOUGHTS


Not everyone has a dread.
Small alliances dude, this idea is geared towards them.
Zalgo13
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#18 - 2012-07-19 17:44:47 UTC
dkbjitawhore wrote:
You don't need an entire new ship. Simply Release new battleship guns(no missiles unless very high cycle time) with nil tracking, as in when you warp on grid, it takes a few minutes for your gun to get aimed at the target. If someone bumps you, your tracking would take a minute or two to re-adjust.

Bomber's paradise, effectiveness ruined if the targets has the smallest amount of velocity.




Agreed, it doesn't have to be a new ship, maybe just a added bonus to a stealth bomber so guerrilla tactics can still be used.
Zalgo13
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#19 - 2012-07-19 17:50:08 UTC
Sarah Schneider wrote:
Zalgo13 wrote:
I had this idea a while ago and I threw it at CCP Manifest a few months ago, but I don't know if it got anywhere.

So the idea was to have a ship that did bonus damage to structures.
This would be used full for small alliances and corporations that can't field 70-300 man fleets like the other nullsec power houses.


And what would stop the not-so-small alliances from fielding bigger fleet of these ships? also, dreads?





Again, not everyone has a dread.

As for "not-so-small alliances" fielding them, there is nothing to stop them. But the ship, as I said before, could be better for pos bashing than a battleship, less than a dread, but more than a bomber.
Also if a large alliance did attack a pos with these, a full fleet of them, it wouldn't be a good idea because the group being attacked could just come over and retaliate.
I'm thinking the ship would be like a frigate or maybe a cruiser, maybe just an added bonus to bombers or something.
Zalgo13
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#20 - 2012-07-19 17:50:51 UTC
Also Jafit, dreads can't go into highsec.
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