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Ok, so lets calculate how much it costs to mine said cobalt - you need a fueled tower and a moon mining module. The first you need for the reaction, and the second is just a one time cost to stick on instead of a silo. Hmm, no remaining costs, so this comes out to a whopping grand total of ZERO ISK. Sure, you COULD value the cobalt and instead not have fuel costs for your reaction, but either way, market will be driven by effectively free cobalt with that many moons. And mining on your reaction POS is LESS effort than hauling it to the POS. You don't count things as free if you're putting in the same effort and have the same costs as someone selling on the market - in this case for cobalt, you're putting in zero effort (negative effort if compared to buying the cobalt) and have no costs you wouldn't have to do the reactions period. This is one of the few cases where something is totally free, because again, you have no effort and no isk needed to get it if you're doing your reactions on a cobalt moon.

Note that flooring the price of moon minerals ALSO floors the potential profits from ring mining as that was supposedly going to be the high value product you'd get. It's not like shooting for low tech prices is invalid or anything, but I think a lot of people at this point would like a response from CCP acknowledging that they haven't backed off their initial conservative approach on the flawed assumption that current market prices are a remotely accurate prediction of the future or of actual costs to do the reaction and realize how much this is likely to crash things. Remember how high mineral prices were due to speculation, and how most of them crashed.


I mean, they could avoid the fuel price crash by removing all highsec ice belts, but that might have other problems.

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Moon materials should just be available from other sources whether using existing or new mining barges.

This alchemy implementation just sounds dumb.

I think we need to reduce our use of fossil fuels but I'd still be pretty mad if we started burning puppies instead.

We've been discussing possible Tech nerf outcomes for a very long time and a few of us held out hope that CCP would do this intelligently and not just waddle in and wave the alchemy stick around again.

Ok genius, whats left to fight over after this?


Owning space sucks, its boring, thankless, and nothing more than a burden. CCP destroyed the value of space by adding in the anoms, so true sec matters far less now days. I mean you have alliances like AAA and CVA who keep where they live by default since nobody else in the game wants the space. The 'dumbing down' of space has already greatly reduced the need for conflict around EVE, the moons were one of the last great content creators.


Now that will be gone, what are we supposed to fight over? The entire south already avoids SOV fights of any kind, its just not financially worth the effort.

Now the game over can enjoy what they do because theres no real reason to do anything else.


Its not the money leaving that matters, its the things to fight over being diminished one more time.

would you explain to us, why true sec matters today less than before?





so apparently, its not worth doing anything without beeing "financially worth it", but you totally dont care about the money... right?

I guess you play a different game than everybody else, EVERYTHING in eve is financially motivated, I know you know that and are being purposefully obtuse but I'll put it in print anyway.

People in 0.0 never have fought "just for ***** and giggles" , everything is weighed for its potential gain and or loss and if there is nothing to gain then there will BE no fights and 0.0 will stagnate worse than it is now.


While we realize this will be a multi stage release, the boredom of 0.0 wont make it until some november release, we need MORE things to drive conflicts NOW not later, and taking the last thing left out isn't really the best idea.

Yes, because tech moons are magical, and the following tasks are all done by pixies with ABSOLUTELY NO EFFORT BY PLAYERS NEEDED:

• Fuel them when they get low on fuel
• Empty them when their siloes are full of genuine OTEC brand Technetium
• Rename the towers to "thecrate sits to pee"
• Capture them when they're owned by someone not in OTEC
• Defend them when someone not in OTEC attacks them

sorry!

regards
HML


btw. try the same with 5 friends of your choice at the same time!