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Grath Telkin
Amok.
Goonswarm Federation
#361 - 2012-07-19 20:22:28 UTC
Fiberton wrote:
Rumors without accompanying evidence will be removed. - ISD Tyrozan.. The Chatter is all getting around...The community will find out about the people who no longer work at CCP and play eve within the CFC. Atleast that is what the eve community hears. Would CCP lie to us about it ? It would not be CCPs faulty anyway not 100%. I assume these ex employees signed NDAs but once they no longer work for you...DO you think they will hold to them ? I think not but... regardless this nerf is great and I am glad CCP is doing something about the re-balance. Here goes another 8 years of EVE :) The simple fix for that is to flip it to something else and the ill gotten intel is worthless simple

Fly safe.

PS ISD Tyrozan
The truth will come out. If this is either true or false the answer always comes out. I personally have no damn Idea. But you think it is just coincidence ?

MeBiatch wrote:
Tippia wrote:
In before “but all those lower-tier moons are in newly claimed CFC space! Raaahrr CCPSwarm!” P


and here we all thought that test was only looking for good fights? -snip-

Rumors without accompanying evidence will be removed. - ISD Tyrozan



This is a mindbogglingly stupid post, even for eve.

Malcanis - Without drone assign, the slowcat doctrine will wither and die.
Peter Powers
Terrorists of Dimensions
#362 - 2012-07-19 20:24:20 UTC
I do not belong to the tech cartell,
but i really think this is something that you (CCP) should not "FIX".

The Tech-Cartell is CONTENT that was created by players,
and it's not up to you to "fix" that. It's something we players should fix.

Instead of listening to all the whiners, you should tell 'em
"htfu retards, form a new coalition and teach those tech bastards a lesson"
changing the game so they don't have their "advantage" anymore means
invalidating what they have done, and taking the content of slapping them for doing it from us.

stop removing content. rather give us new toys.

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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#363 - 2012-07-19 20:25:04 UTC
IceGuerilla wrote:
Cobalt? More like lol-balt! Big smile
Cobait?
Nicolo da'Vicenza
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#364 - 2012-07-19 20:29:56 UTC  |  Edited by: Nicolo da'Vicenza
Grath Telkin wrote:
This is a mindbogglingly stupid post, even for eve.

Not quite "Vibrant drone regions" or "supercap nerf won't change us" stupid though. Your trophy is safe.
Grath Telkin
Amok.
Goonswarm Federation
#365 - 2012-07-19 20:33:27 UTC  |  Edited by: Grath Telkin
Nicolo da'Vicenza wrote:
Grath Telkin wrote:
This is a mindbogglingly stupid post, even for eve.

Not quite "Vibrant drone regions" or "supercap nerf won't change us" stupid though. Your trophy is safe.


Hey, as far as i can see, the drone regions are pretty vibrant, theres a sea of life up near the top right now and near daily fighting (more than can be said for your coalition) and they nerfed supers and somehow my group still beat the **** out of your group.


Try not to be too sad, you've only wracked up about 300 million in fines for public posting

Malcanis - Without drone assign, the slowcat doctrine will wither and die.
Fiberton
StarFleet Enterprises
#366 - 2012-07-19 20:34:49 UTC
Do not forget the best one recently discovered in last few years.. Nickel, hydrogen and carbon. 100C at 25 PSI ...Nickel transmutates to Copper .during a LENR. Low Energy Nuclear Reaction. Creates immense heat with no radioactivity outside the unit. Picograms of nickel can produce many KW of heat for 3 months or more. Anyway back on topic CCP great work.

Nicolo da'Vicenza wrote:
Rico Minali wrote:
Lilliana Stelles wrote:
Generating elements from other elements?

Cold fusion, or is spacewizard now a viable profession?


Assumably nanotechnology is beyond you. It is theoretically possible to turn anything into anything else.

nanotechnology involves precision molecular fabrication. Creating elements from other elements is something we've been doing since the 1940s (uranium into neptunium into plutonium, two hydrogen atoms into one helium, etc). Manufacturing elements is just energy intensive to do, yet nowhere near the level of energy consumption that lots of fundamental EVE technology uses constantly (wormholes, cynos, warp drives, lasers).

“Out of clutter, find simplicity. From discord, find harmony. In the middle of difficulty lies opportunity.” --  Albert  Einstein  "War is a mere continuation of politics by other means,"
Lord Zim
Gallente Federation
#367 - 2012-07-19 20:37:53 UTC
The worst thing about Fiberton's posting is, he's actually unironically topposting.

Cyno's lit, bridge is up, but one pilot won't be jumping home.

RIP Vile Rat
Nicolo da'Vicenza
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#368 - 2012-07-19 20:39:03 UTC
Grath Telkin wrote:
Nicolo da'Vicenza wrote:
Grath Telkin wrote:
This is a mindbogglingly stupid post, even for eve.

Not quite "Vibrant drone regions" or "supercap nerf won't change us" stupid though. Your trophy is safe.


Hey, as far as i can see, the drone regions are pretty vibrant
Continuing his perfect badpost track record, Grath Telkin conflates the present post-compound post-Dodger drone regions with the situation it was in when he made the statement.
Tarryn Nightstorm
Hellstar Towing and Recovery
#369 - 2012-07-19 20:39:46 UTC
Gumpy Nighthawk wrote:
Quote:
Ahahaha just kidding moongoo is completely broken and we’re going to fix that starting in Inferno 1.2.


No you won't, just like alchemy was supposed to be the holy grail, as you guys tried to tell us, it never really was.

Also if this means that you guys are going to manipulate the market then well you might as well remove the complete economy.....


Nullbears:

So cute.

Star Wars: the Old Republic may not be EVE. But I'll take the sound of dual blaster-pistols over "NURVV CLAOKING NAOW!!!11oneone!!" any day of the week.
Nicolo da'Vicenza
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#370 - 2012-07-19 20:41:03 UTC
Lord Zim wrote:
The worst thing about Fiberton's posting is, he's actually unironically topposting.

fReEdOm of SpeEch if U dOn'T lIKE iT DONT reAd iT
Lord Zim
Gallente Federation
#371 - 2012-07-19 20:48:11 UTC
Nicolo da'Vicenza wrote:
Lord Zim wrote:
The worst thing about Fiberton's posting is, he's actually unironically topposting.

fReEdOm of SpeEch if U dOn'T lIKE iT DONT reAd iT

I'm sending attack kittens to your door, right now.

Cyno's lit, bridge is up, but one pilot won't be jumping home.

RIP Vile Rat
Grath Telkin
Amok.
Goonswarm Federation
#372 - 2012-07-19 20:51:28 UTC
Nicolo da'Vicenza wrote:

Continuing his perfect badpost track record, Grath Telkin conflates the present post-compound post-Dodger drone regions with the situation it was in when he made the statement.


450 million

Malcanis - Without drone assign, the slowcat doctrine will wither and die.
Jinrai Tremaine
Cheese It Inc
#373 - 2012-07-19 20:54:26 UTC
CCP Fozzie is my new favourite CCP
ctx2007
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#374 - 2012-07-19 20:59:10 UTC
Well for CCP Fozzie's 1st Dev blog, its had a great response and has put the cat amongst the pigeons Big smile

You only realise you life has been a waste of time, when you wake up dead.
thowlimer
Roprocor Ltd
#375 - 2012-07-19 21:01:31 UTC
Tippia wrote:
IceGuerilla wrote:
Cobalt? More like lol-balt! Big smile
Cobait?


Couldn't resist ... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iVdnWU76MJE

Thow
Kaminokage
Perkone
Caldari State
#376 - 2012-07-19 21:02:04 UTC  |  Edited by: Kaminokage
Let's the show begin! Twisted

p.s. It reminded me of my CSM posterLol
Nalha Saldana
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#377 - 2012-07-19 21:03:44 UTC
Kosmoto Gothwen wrote:
First off glad this is all getting looked at.

I wanted to show some real numbers to the profitability of this:
Cobalt 100 x 24 x 7 = 16,800 = approx 128,100,000isk/wk
Platinum 100 x 24 x 7 = 16,800 = approx 106,476,552isk/wk
128,100,000isk + 106,476,552isk = 234,576,522isk/wk

Produces Platinum Technite which refines into
Platinum Technite 10/hr x 24hrs x 7days = 1,680units = approx 176,566,303.20isk/wk
Platinum 95/hr x 24hrs x 7days = 15,960 = approx 101,184,644.40isk/wk
Output value per wk = 277,750,947.60isk

Approx Large Tower fuel cost = 147,840,000isk/wk
Approx Medium Tower fuel cost = 73,920,000isk/wk

Profits
Large Tower = 277,750,947.60 - 147,840,000 = 129,910,947.60isk/wk
Medium Tower = 277,750,947.60 - 147,840,000 = 203,830,947.60isk/wk

So the above isk values are based on current Jita avg sell prices via eve-central. (Not worth nit picking isk prices when dealing with this size of numbers, and values fluctuate). Also I'm assuming your doing this on a single tower, it's doable but to get both resources on a single moon isn't likely, so you probably end up with multiple POS's or shipping one of the resources in, either way it would cut into the profit margin. As you can see at currently inflated market values it would be marginally profitable to do this reaction but if PlatTech went down it wouldn't be worth doing any more. Even at these numbers the risk is moderately high considering you have a billion isk POS set up (including fuel) to do this.


You have to properly compare it

Platinum technite income 176,566,303isk/wk
Selling (or not buying) cobalt + tech 5,323,827 + 128,100,000 = 133,423,827isk/wk
Actual reaction profit 176,566,303 - 133,423,827 = 43,142,476isk/wk

There are way better reactions out there if thats what youre looking for. Sure if you own a cobalt moon go for it but its not exactly something to go to war for.
MeBiatch
GRR GOONS
#378 - 2012-07-19 21:08:39 UTC
Nicolo da'Vicenza wrote:
Grath Telkin wrote:
This is a mindbogglingly stupid post, even for eve.

Not quite "Vibrant drone regions" or "supercap nerf won't change us" stupid though. Your trophy is safe.


i feel dirty i like dyour post

There are no stupid Questions... just stupid people... CCP Goliath wrote:

Ugh ti-di pooping makes me sad.
Lili Lu
#379 - 2012-07-19 21:08:51 UTC  |  Edited by: Lili Lu
Bah. More pre-nerfed weaksauce from CCP. Won't change anything in the short term. Straight

But at least it is an attempt at an interim step while working on a future "fix". Unlike with ship rebalancing where we'll be waiting a couple years before they get around to addressing the problem ships. Ugh

edit- both of which (tech stupidity and ship imbalances) have been festering in this game way too long.
EvilweaselSA
GoonCorp
Goonswarm Federation
#380 - 2012-07-19 21:09:14 UTC
Nalha Saldana wrote:
Kosmoto Gothwen wrote:
First off glad this is all getting looked at.

I wanted to show some real numbers to the profitability of this:
Cobalt 100 x 24 x 7 = 16,800 = approx 128,100,000isk/wk
Platinum 100 x 24 x 7 = 16,800 = approx 106,476,552isk/wk
128,100,000isk + 106,476,552isk = 234,576,522isk/wk

Produces Platinum Technite which refines into
Platinum Technite 10/hr x 24hrs x 7days = 1,680units = approx 176,566,303.20isk/wk
Platinum 95/hr x 24hrs x 7days = 15,960 = approx 101,184,644.40isk/wk
Output value per wk = 277,750,947.60isk

Approx Large Tower fuel cost = 147,840,000isk/wk
Approx Medium Tower fuel cost = 73,920,000isk/wk

Profits
Large Tower = 277,750,947.60 - 147,840,000 = 129,910,947.60isk/wk
Medium Tower = 277,750,947.60 - 147,840,000 = 203,830,947.60isk/wk

So the above isk values are based on current Jita avg sell prices via eve-central. (Not worth nit picking isk prices when dealing with this size of numbers, and values fluctuate). Also I'm assuming your doing this on a single tower, it's doable but to get both resources on a single moon isn't likely, so you probably end up with multiple POS's or shipping one of the resources in, either way it would cut into the profit margin. As you can see at currently inflated market values it would be marginally profitable to do this reaction but if PlatTech went down it wouldn't be worth doing any more. Even at these numbers the risk is moderately high considering you have a billion isk POS set up (including fuel) to do this.


You have to properly compare it

Platinum technite income 176,566,303isk/wk
Selling (or not buying) cobalt + tech 5,323,827 + 128,100,000 = 133,423,827isk/wk
Actual reaction profit 176,566,303 - 133,423,827 = 43,142,476isk/wk

There are way better reactions out there if thats what youre looking for. Sure if you own a cobalt moon go for it but its not exactly something to go to war for.

remember this guy is using figures that have been massively ****** with due to speculation