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New dev blog: Tech is fine l2p

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MeBiatch
GRR GOONS
#321 - 2012-07-19 19:29:42 UTC
EvilweaselSA wrote:
MeBiatch wrote:
Lord Zim wrote:
Are you really so angry you can't even spell properly?



spelling is overrated... you got the just of it...

its not just your inability to spell that makes your word salad incomprehensible


yes i agree its hard to read when your eyes are filled with tears of rage...

would you like my used tissue?

There are no stupid Questions... just stupid people... CCP Goliath wrote:

Ugh ti-di pooping makes me sad.
Grath Telkin
Amok.
Goonswarm Federation
#322 - 2012-07-19 19:31:05 UTC
MeBiatch wrote:
Grath Telkin wrote:

So to clear this post up, I asked you to describe how Goons have become like BoB and your answer is "Because they got disbanded"....

How am I not supposed to call you dumb?


well when one suffers from selective reading its rather hard to come to anyother conclusion...




Ok feel free to point out all the reasons you detailed in the post i quoted about why goons are like BoB, I mean, maybe i didn't see all the reasons you listed out, OR, maybe you really didn't list any reasons at all why they're like bob and you're actually just sperging tard

Malcanis - Without drone assign, the slowcat doctrine will wither and die.
Tako Satou
SKots INdusTries
#323 - 2012-07-19 19:33:34 UTC
so glad i tried to read this goonwad circle jerk.

kindly let go of the penis belonging to the man next to you and hit f1 again! your coalition needs you!
EvilweaselSA
GoonCorp
Goonswarm Federation
#324 - 2012-07-19 19:35:47 UTC
MeBiatch wrote:

yes i agree its hard to read when your eyes are filled with tears of rage...

would you like my used tissue?

you're not really very good at posting, it's not really worth getting a read-only trading barbs with you because i'll just get boring crap like this that's not even good at being insulting
Marcus Loon Black
Doomheim
#325 - 2012-07-19 19:36:31 UTC
Quote:
There are more problems with our current system of moon mining and tech two production than just the price of Technetium, which is why we now have a comprehensive plan to address these issues over multiple releases.


Glad to hear that this issue has been thought over. Look forward to see what the changes entail over time.

Kicking Technetium in the balls is a good start .. and interested to see how this plays out Smile
MeBiatch
GRR GOONS
#326 - 2012-07-19 19:36:48 UTC
Grath Telkin wrote:
MeBiatch wrote:
Grath Telkin wrote:

So to clear this post up, I asked you to describe how Goons have become like BoB and your answer is "Because they got disbanded"....

How am I not supposed to call you dumb?


well when one suffers from selective reading its rather hard to come to anyother conclusion...




Ok feel free to point out all the reasons you detailed in the post i quoted about why goons are like BoB, I mean, maybe i didn't see all the reasons you listed out, OR, maybe you really didn't list any reasons at all why they're like bob and you're actually just sperging tard


you grath perhaps i should not have turned down your offer of man love... you seem to be a rather strict but sensual lover...

There are no stupid Questions... just stupid people... CCP Goliath wrote:

Ugh ti-di pooping makes me sad.
Nicolo da'Vicenza
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#327 - 2012-07-19 19:37:05 UTC
I knew this thread was going to be bad but I didn't know it was going to be this bad.
MeBiatch
GRR GOONS
#328 - 2012-07-19 19:38:19 UTC
EvilweaselSA wrote:
MeBiatch wrote:

yes i agree its hard to read when your eyes are filled with tears of rage...

would you like my used tissue?

you're not really very good at posting, it's not really worth getting a read-only trading barbs with you because i'll just get boring crap like this that's not even good at being insulting



its true i am terrible at this...

i feel that i have to go to a temple and study as a monk like bat man... i mean i am sure bat man can take on goons right?

There are no stupid Questions... just stupid people... CCP Goliath wrote:

Ugh ti-di pooping makes me sad.
Grath Telkin
Amok.
Goonswarm Federation
#329 - 2012-07-19 19:38:29 UTC
MeBiatch wrote:


you grath perhaps i should not have turned down your offer of man love... you seem to be a rather strict but sensual lover...


So this is your way of admitting you're an idiot and can't come up with any real ways that Goons have turned into BoB then?


I'll take it, since you're barely literate as it is and we dont need to push you into doing something drastic.

Malcanis - Without drone assign, the slowcat doctrine will wither and die.
Nomistrav
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#330 - 2012-07-19 19:40:19 UTC
Hey, I've got this awesome idea on how we can fix the moon goo problem since it's been festering for years now.

Instead of just randomizing moon materials - let's come up with a really complex system that will **** up the market prices even more. That way, if a certain tech material is in demand, you don't necessarily need it but you can use some other material - which will also sky rocket in price when an alliance owns the space in which it's produced.

Seriously, out of all the solutions CCP keeps throwing out, I'm starting to wonder how much of these are actually designed for the community as a whole and not just CCP throwing hail mary's wondering why the hell the community is so pissed off after not reading a hundred other suggestions provided by said community.

Do right by your players and stop coming up with completely different ideas when solutions are already being suggested. ****.

"As long as space endures,

as long as sentient beings exist,

until then, may I too remain

and dispel the miseries of the world."

~ Vremaja Idama
Zimmy Zeta
Perkone
Caldari State
#331 - 2012-07-19 19:40:23 UTC  |  Edited by: Zimmy Zeta
Armarrian Slave wrote:
As a fledgling indy/manu toon. I already fine it very daunting to figure out everything I need to do in order to create tech 2 items. And find PI very annoying and confusing at times. Wouldn't a good way of reducing cost be to simplify the manufacturing process as a whole? I understand that its supposed to take effort in order to create tech 2 ships and components. But at times I feel that it is a more time consuming effort then what it should be. I must admit that I can't give any examples on how I would change it, without risking making it to simple.


Slightly off topic, but I regret that I have to inform you that you are completely wrong in every aspect, sir.
Eve is the only MMO with a more or less working player based economy..and that is BECAUSE manufacturing and invention are complicated.
Have you ever played WoW? Everybody had his crafting skills and had to build large amounts of useless stuff just to increase their skills. The result was that the market was flooded with manufactured and processed goods that nobody wanted to buy and raw materials on the other hand were always worth far more than the refined product.
If anything, I would like to see similar mechanisms for t1 production as in t2 production, like having to build components like thrusters and armor plates first that will be used in a second step to build the final item.
The more complicated the system is, the fewer people will bother with it. The fewer manufacturers there are, the more profit for each of them. Supply and demand.

I'd like to apologize for the poor quality of the post above and sincerely hope you didn't waste your time reading it. Yes, I do feel bad about it.
MeBiatch
GRR GOONS
#332 - 2012-07-19 19:41:14 UTC
Nicolo da'Vicenza wrote:
I knew this thread was going to be bad but I didn't know it was going to be this bad.


what did you expect?

though i have to agree this thread looks like the zoo where the monkies chuck **** at each other... and then the npc alt eats it and smiles...

There are no stupid Questions... just stupid people... CCP Goliath wrote:

Ugh ti-di pooping makes me sad.
Dilly Dallyer2
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#333 - 2012-07-19 19:43:39 UTC
EvilweaselSA wrote:
Dilly Dallyer2 wrote:
This will help a little but does nothing about the remaining static source of isk from Tech that is totaly located in the north. The price of tech will be capped as With Prom and Dysp from the first batch of Alchemy but the prices will remain high.

Out of interest, as you said you have been playing EVE you several years you wouldn't happen to be in the coalition that just concered some of the regions with most of the Cobalt in game would you.

Nothing personal but we're all human and in general humans are the least honest species on the plannet. In the past the big alliances that are friendly with devs, or have devs in them seem to have had crystal balls and been able to gain from updates that the masses (who by the way pay for the game) are not privy to.

there is far too much cobalt in the game to cartel it, and controlling all tech + all cobalt would require us to control half of 0.0 and half of lowsec which is a little absurd


With a 20:1 ratio if every single Cobalt moon in the game was turned to Alchemy then there would only be a 50% increase in supply. In reallity this will not happen, all this change will do is bring the Tech price down by 20-25%. It does nothing to stop the CFC sitting on their big fat arses and just counting in the isk.
Aine Ni
Doomheim
#334 - 2012-07-19 19:43:40 UTC
Just wanted to say :



!!! LOVE THIS IDEA !!!



I'm so looking forward to this. Hard to find a new system worse then the current :)
Kosmoto Gothwen
Frenemy Logicians
#335 - 2012-07-19 19:44:00 UTC
First off glad this is all getting looked at.

I wanted to show some real numbers to the profitability of this:
Cobalt 100 x 24 x 7 = 16,800 = approx 128,100,000isk/wk
Platinum 100 x 24 x 7 = 16,800 = approx 106,476,552isk/wk
128,100,000isk + 106,476,552isk = 234,576,522isk/wk

Produces Platinum Technite which refines into
Platinum Technite 10/hr x 24hrs x 7days = 1,680units = approx 176,566,303.20isk/wk
Platinum 95/hr x 24hrs x 7days = 15,960 = approx 101,184,644.40isk/wk
Output value per wk = 277,750,947.60isk

Approx Large Tower fuel cost = 147,840,000isk/wk
Approx Medium Tower fuel cost = 73,920,000isk/wk

Profits
Large Tower = 277,750,947.60 - 147,840,000 = 129,910,947.60isk/wk
Medium Tower = 277,750,947.60 - 147,840,000 = 203,830,947.60isk/wk

So the above isk values are based on current Jita avg sell prices via eve-central. (Not worth nit picking isk prices when dealing with this size of numbers, and values fluctuate). Also I'm assuming your doing this on a single tower, it's doable but to get both resources on a single moon isn't likely, so you probably end up with multiple POS's or shipping one of the resources in, either way it would cut into the profit margin. As you can see at currently inflated market values it would be marginally profitable to do this reaction but if PlatTech went down it wouldn't be worth doing any more. Even at these numbers the risk is moderately high considering you have a billion isk POS set up (including fuel) to do this.

Moon Gooru | Common Eve Terms
Fiberton
StarFleet Enterprises
#336 - 2012-07-19 19:44:28 UTC
Even when you do not even have 1/2 of what you say haha.. But good laugh thanks ...keep them coming I will be here all night.

Grath Telkin wrote:
Look at the angry mob of poors in this thread.


Guess what this change means to all of you:


You'll still be poor because you don't have the foresight, drive, or motivation to go after the things that stop you from being poor.

We'll be backstroking through our 9 trillion isk that we've made off our moons while you all try to figure out whats the next best thing to do (that we'll already be well on our way to controlling).

“Out of clutter, find simplicity. From discord, find harmony. In the middle of difficulty lies opportunity.” --  Albert  Einstein  "War is a mere continuation of politics by other means,"
MeBiatch
GRR GOONS
#337 - 2012-07-19 19:45:00 UTC  |  Edited by: MeBiatch
Grath Telkin wrote:
MeBiatch wrote:


you grath perhaps i should not have turned down your offer of man love... you seem to be a rather strict but sensual lover...


So this is your way of admitting you're an idiot and can't come up with any real ways that Goons have turned into BoB then?


I'll take it, since you're barely literate as it is and we dont need to push you into doing something drastic.


now good sir we knew i was an idiot before i started to post so no need to get personal...

kind sir why be upset that your new overloards are like you old ones...

only difference i can see is sir molle had better style and was not as racist...
oh and right now goons dont chuck thier meat shields away...

but come the nerf i suspect you will change sides again (who has the most gold and lube right) and wen you guys are fighting against goons again i suspect that goons will start to treat thier allies (pets) just like the GBC did...

There are no stupid Questions... just stupid people... CCP Goliath wrote:

Ugh ti-di pooping makes me sad.
Grath Telkin
Amok.
Goonswarm Federation
#338 - 2012-07-19 19:47:25 UTC
MeBiatch wrote:


now good sir we knew i was an idiot before i started to post so no need to get personal...

kind sir why be upset that your new overloards are like you old ones...

only difference i can see is sir molle had better style and was not as racist...
oh and right now goons dont chuck thier meat shields away...

but come the nerf i and when you guys are fighting against goons again i suspect that goons will start to treat thier allies (pets) just like the GBC did...


Ok this is all your own personally distorted opinions on what makes somebody a racist and 'style' but not an actual list of similarities between BoB and Goons.

I mean, you do have a list right, theres no way that you're just standing here screaming that "GOONS ARE BOB" without any actual facts right?

Malcanis - Without drone assign, the slowcat doctrine will wither and die.
Grath Telkin
Amok.
Goonswarm Federation
#339 - 2012-07-19 19:47:58 UTC
heh, who am I kidding, of course you are

Malcanis - Without drone assign, the slowcat doctrine will wither and die.
Istan Mahwi
Aliastra
#340 - 2012-07-19 19:49:18 UTC
Tippia wrote:
Katrina Bekers wrote:
Cobalt already skyrocketed. Jita is dry. Time to change the reaction components, CCP...

Please, please, please! This! It would be hilarious! Big smile


PREASE!!!! i want to laughhhhhhhhh!

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