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C5 WH vs.Incursions (Highsec) isk/hour
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Goose99
#41 - 2011-09-23 20:24:23 UTC
Khanh'rhh wrote:
Emperor Salazar wrote:
Khanh'rhh wrote:
Goose99 wrote:
If this is truly unbalanced, all those wh dwellers would move back to highsec en mass for the easy money. You don't see this happening. Action speaks louder than words.


His comment read as "If incursions were so good, WH residents would be doing them [instead of WH anoms]"

Which any effort will show you is true.

It's only dumb if you can't read.


His comment read as....they are so good that wh residents are doing them...Roll

Incursion income needs a nerf.


I'm not sure who you're trying to disagree with at the moment P

WH residents are doing them, given that both myself, members of my alliance, and members of WH alliances I've got on contacts lists are going them. Not to mention the number of null-alts you see around.

100mil+ an hour in highsec needs a nerf, on that we will agree (though whilst they're there....)


Since everyone is getting out of whs and doing incursions, we must speculate on t3 stuff, prices are gonna rise... Oh wait, they're not.Roll

People move into whs... and they move out... If market trends are to be believed, more people moving in than out.
The Feuror
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#42 - 2011-09-23 20:41:07 UTC
im not talking about risk vs. reward or WH saftey guys.

i was just curious if i was to log in play for 5-8 hours what would make me more isk a C5 or highsec incursions

the only alliances i would even consider is Talcan United or Norwhals so im sure those guys have security in check

VVOOF is recruiting able pvpers for WH BLOPS operations
Goose99
#43 - 2011-09-23 20:42:03 UTC
The Feuror wrote:
im not talking about risk vs. reward or WH saftey guys.

i was just curious if i was to log in play for 5-8 hours what would make me more isk a C5 or highsec incursions

the only alliances i would even consider is Talcan United or Norwhals so im sure those guys have security in check



C5s.
Khanh'rhh
Sparkle Motion.
#44 - 2011-09-23 20:53:06 UTC
Goose99 wrote:
Khanh'rhh wrote:
Emperor Salazar wrote:
Khanh'rhh wrote:
Goose99 wrote:
If this is truly unbalanced, all those wh dwellers would move back to highsec en mass for the easy money. You don't see this happening. Action speaks louder than words.


His comment read as "If incursions were so good, WH residents would be doing them [instead of WH anoms]"

Which any effort will show you is true.

It's only dumb if you can't read.


His comment read as....they are so good that wh residents are doing them...Roll

Incursion income needs a nerf.


I'm not sure who you're trying to disagree with at the moment P

WH residents are doing them, given that both myself, members of my alliance, and members of WH alliances I've got on contacts lists are going them. Not to mention the number of null-alts you see around.

100mil+ an hour in highsec needs a nerf, on that we will agree (though whilst they're there....)


Since everyone is getting out of whs and doing incursions, we must speculate on t3 stuff, prices are gonna rise... Oh wait, they're not.Roll

People move into whs... and they move out... If market trends are to be believed, more people moving in than out.


Again:

a) More reasons to live in a WH than to run anoms, so looking at a general trend is stupid
b) You're ********

The fact that you find people whose corp holds C5/C6 wormholes, as well as null residents in highsec running their PVE, isn't indicative of some issue to you, then?

"Do not touch anything unnecessarily. Beware of pretty girls in dance halls and parks who may be spies, as well as bicycles, revolvers, uniforms, arms, dead horses, and men lying on roads -- they are not there accidentally." -Soviet infantry manual,

Goose99
#45 - 2011-09-23 21:00:46 UTC
Khanh'rhh wrote:
Goose99 wrote:


Since everyone is getting out of whs and doing incursions, we must speculate on t3 stuff, prices are gonna rise... Oh wait, they're not.Roll

People move into whs... and they move out... If market trends are to be believed, more people moving in than out.


Again:

a) More reasons to live in a WH than to run anoms, so looking at a general trend is stupid
b) You're ********

The fact that you find people whose corp holds C5/C6 wormholes, as well as null residents in highsec running their PVE, isn't indicative of some issue to you, then?


Yes, I do find the dropping t3 prices and increasing supply of t3 material to be indicative of more people moving into whs than out of whs.

I also see null blobbers moving to empire, and empire carebears moving to null. People move.Lol
FloppieTheBanjoClown
Arcana Imperii Ltd.
#46 - 2011-09-23 21:26:01 UTC
I keep hearing about how profitable Incursions are, and I keep hearing figures like 100-150 mil an hour, which I made soloing C1s with a salvage alt in tow. In my time in w-space, I only lost about 200 mil worth of ships.

When your biggest worry is that your Logi's connection doesn't drop or you don't let a Big Bad Griefing Meanie into your fleet, you've got it pretty good.

Founding member of the Belligerent Undesirables movement.
Emperor Salazar
Remote Soviet Industries
Insidious Empire
#47 - 2011-09-23 22:14:54 UTC
FloppieTheBanjoClown wrote:
100-150 mil an hour, which I made soloing C1s with a salvage alt in tow. In my time in w-space,


No you didn't.

Salvage is random and thus is not something you should factor into isk/hr.

Class 1 steady income is crap.
Emperor Salazar
Remote Soviet Industries
Insidious Empire
#48 - 2011-09-23 22:15:43 UTC
Goose99 wrote:
Khanh'rhh wrote:
Goose99 wrote:


Since everyone is getting out of whs and doing incursions, we must speculate on t3 stuff, prices are gonna rise... Oh wait, they're not.Roll

People move into whs... and they move out... If market trends are to be believed, more people moving in than out.


Again:

a) More reasons to live in a WH than to run anoms, so looking at a general trend is stupid
b) You're ********

The fact that you find people whose corp holds C5/C6 wormholes, as well as null residents in highsec running their PVE, isn't indicative of some issue to you, then?


Yes, I do find the dropping t3 prices and increasing supply of t3 material to be indicative of more people moving into whs than out of whs.

I also see null blobbers moving to empire, and empire carebears moving to null. People move.Lol


Why is it in so many of your posts you have a bias against someone? Null sec blobbers, empire carebears...CCP sucks, etc etc.

Biomass your characters and stop trolling these forums.
Anishoara
Federal Institute Service
#49 - 2011-09-23 23:10:29 UTC
Ooda wrote:


You can spam D-scan to reduce your WH risk to something near 0?


Did you ever lived in a WH ?

Most of WH, especialy low class are often camped by afk cloaker, and remember clocked ships are not only shity frigates today.

You have a cooldown on the D-scan refresh, you can easily miss someone entered in the system, especialy when there is several gates poped.

The only safe mode you can get in a WH is when you know nobody entered in the system since few hours, and you are inside a site (not an anomaly) as you have time to see eventual probes ...

Sure, if you scan very often (every few seconds), you can limit your risk but not avoid them 100%
Goose99
#50 - 2011-09-24 00:59:25 UTC  |  Edited by: Goose99
Emperor Salazar wrote:
Goose99 wrote:
Khanh'rhh wrote:




Again:

a) More reasons to live in a WH than to run anoms, so looking at a general trend is stupid
b) You're ********

The fact that you find people whose corp holds C5/C6 wormholes, as well as null residents in highsec running their PVE, isn't indicative of some issue to you, then?


Yes, I do find the dropping t3 prices and increasing supply of t3 material to be indicative of more people moving into whs than out of whs.

I also see null blobbers moving to empire, and empire carebears moving to null. People move.Lol


Why is it in so many of your posts you have a bias against someone? Null sec blobbers, empire carebears...CCP sucks, etc etc.

Biomass your characters and stop trolling these forums.


Faceless forum alt says hello. Also, all my alts and alliance peons like me too, on every one of my posts. And nice drake blobs, valuable contribution of TEST to Eve.Cool

Anishoara wrote:
Ooda wrote:


You can spam D-scan to reduce your WH risk to something near 0?


Did you ever lived in a WH ?

Most of WH, especialy low class are often camped by afk cloaker, and remember clocked ships are not only ***** frigates today.

You have a cooldown on the D-scan refresh, you can easily miss someone entered in the system, especialy when there is several gates poped.

The only safe mode you can get in a WH is when you know nobody entered in the system since few hours, and you are inside a site (not an anomaly) as you have time to see eventual probes ...

Sure, if you scan very often (every few seconds), you can limit your risk but not avoid them 100%


Why would afk cloaker camp a wh? Clearly, you have actually lived in whs and noticed those evil afk cloakers on local, thus preventing you from undocking.Big smile

It's safe if you're not stupid. And there are macros that cycle the dscan for you nowdays, get with the program.
Maikhanh
Doomheim
#51 - 2011-09-24 05:21:30 UTC
Goose99 wrote:


Why would afk cloaker camp a wh? Clearly, you have actually lived in whs and noticed those evil afk cloakers on local, thus preventing you from undocking.Big smile

It's safe if you're not stupid. And there are macros that cycle the dscan for you nowdays, get with the program.


you need to learn more, mate. remember dscan only has 14AU radius

how about a system 30 AU, you're doing site in the middle of the system and a hole pop up at the outer planet, out of your dscan range??

btw, once they cloak, there's no way on earth you can see them....... l2wh
The Feuror
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#52 - 2011-09-24 12:51:54 UTC
Goose99 wrote:
Khanh'rhh wrote:
Goose99 wrote:


Since everyone is getting out of whs and doing incursions, we must speculate on t3 stuff, prices are gonna rise... Oh wait, they're not.Roll

People move into whs... and they move out... If market trends are to be believed, more people moving in than out.


Again:

a) More reasons to live in a WH than to run anoms, so looking at a general trend is stupid
b) You're ********

The fact that you find people whose corp holds C5/C6 wormholes, as well as null residents in highsec running their PVE, isn't indicative of some issue to you, then?


Yes, I do find the dropping t3 prices and increasing supply of t3 material to be indicative of more people moving into whs than out of whs.

I also see null blobbers moving to empire, and empire carebears moving to null. People move.Lol


thats because after a month of the same "ALPHA FLEET CTA" people tend to get tired of it and move back to lowsec where they can have more fun..... as far as the carebears moving to 0.0... thats only because theyre completely unaware of how repetative and boring it really is.

but yes people move that should really be an indication of anything most people move just to do something different such as myself lol

VVOOF is recruiting able pvpers for WH BLOPS operations
Emperor Salazar
Remote Soviet Industries
Insidious Empire
#53 - 2011-09-24 14:27:06 UTC
Goose99 wrote:


Faceless forum alt says hello. Also, all my alts and alliance peons like me too, on every one of my posts. And nice drake blobs, valuable contribution of TEST to Eve.Cool


Are you just 100% brain dead?

Post with your main. Also, it sounds like the drake blobs have hurt your feelings. Did your internet pixels get pewed?

You're absolutely right tho. We should fly billion isk tengu fleets numbering no more than 10 on any given day. That sounds efficient to me.
Khanh'rhh
Sparkle Motion.
#54 - 2011-09-24 17:51:03 UTC
Goose99 wrote:
Why would afk cloaker camp a wh? Clearly, you have actually lived in whs and noticed those evil afk cloakers on local, thus preventing you from undocking.Big smile

It's safe if you're not stupid. And there are macros that cycle the dscan for you nowdays, get with the program.

It is precisely BECAUSE there is no local, that camping the wormhole works, ******.

You simply find an occupied wormhole, scan down every site, then cloak and wait.

People log on, go do stuff. You can then warp to them without popping probes.

You're clearly ******** mate, keep posting ****. It's amusing to see someone so terribly bad **** post like they have a clue.

"Do not touch anything unnecessarily. Beware of pretty girls in dance halls and parks who may be spies, as well as bicycles, revolvers, uniforms, arms, dead horses, and men lying on roads -- they are not there accidentally." -Soviet infantry manual,

Ooda
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#55 - 2011-09-24 18:00:20 UTC
OMG, my post was just trolling >.<

But anyway, WH-space offers way more than just farming sites for ISK. But since I'm totally noob and so absolutely clueless about WH Space (for real, no humor here), you guyz have allready considered this, am I right? .. Oh wait, looks like you haven't! Ugh
Goose99
#56 - 2011-09-24 18:17:06 UTC
Khanh'rhh wrote:
Goose99 wrote:
Why would afk cloaker camp a wh? Clearly, you have actually lived in whs and noticed those evil afk cloakers on local, thus preventing you from undocking.Big smile

It's safe if you're not stupid. And there are macros that cycle the dscan for you nowdays, get with the program.

It is precisely BECAUSE there is no local, that camping the wormhole works, ******.

You simply find an occupied wormhole, scan down every site, then cloak and wait.

People log on, go do stuff. You can then warp to them without popping probes.

You're clearly ******** mate, keep posting ****. It's amusing to see someone so terribly bad **** post like they have a clue.


Be afraid... be very afraid, 23/7. Because the unseen afk cloaky is always out there, even though he's afk, and whether he exists or not.Lol
Emperor Salazar
Remote Soviet Industries
Insidious Empire
#57 - 2011-09-24 18:52:12 UTC
Goose99 wrote:


Be afraid... be very afraid, 23/7. Because the unseen afk cloaky is always out there, even though he's afk, and whether he exists or not.Lol


Quality post bro. The whole mocking thing is really going for you.

Never stop posting.
Loraine Gess
Confedeferate Union of Tax Legalists
#58 - 2011-09-24 20:54:08 UTC
TriadSte wrote:
I personally have been making 100million p/h running vanguards. There is NOTHING as consistent as incursions for making Isk.

Do they need nerfing?

The answer is no, simply because there is alot of risk involved just as there is in a wormhole space. If a Basi pilot disconnects then the entire fleet can be popped very easily resulting in anything upto 50 billion isk being lost maybe more depending on fleet composition and modules installed.

Competeing in certain sites calls for killing tamas and spawning more Sansha in the hope of the DPS overwhelming the opposing fleets Logis and getting that fleet popped.

I have lived in a C3 for a long time but a C5-6 can't get alot of traffic really and even if they did your running with capitals with triage so that fleet is pretty much safe, Battleships arn't gonna warp in and try for the gank are they? lol...

Leave incursions alone, working as intended.




Hahahahaahahaha
beor oranes
Annihilate.
#59 - 2011-09-25 01:06:58 UTC
The nice thing about Incursions over WH's is that if you want to stop and go get something from Jita then you just drop fleet set AP and go, whereas with WH's you have to find your way out and you could pop up anywhere if you are unlucky.

Good money can be made from both, but for sheer ease then Incursions win hands down.
Jinn Rho
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#60 - 2011-09-25 08:44:09 UTC
Lets get back on topic.

As stated a long time ago, yes WHs generate more isk/hr, but that's all optimal 'paper' income if you already have X amount of sites lined up and gear all waiting for you, with the occasional risk of getting dc/ganked. And somewhat anti-MMO (solo-able)

HS Incursions will generate 90-120m per hour. Super easy fleetup, super easy sites, super easy sites to sites, super consistency, and a bag of chips with the amount of different fleet members you talk to during the ride, with the occasional risk of getting dc/ganked.

Again, it's a matter of perspective.



PS:
No, Incursion income doesn't need to be nerfed because the cool guys pvp in shiny ships/gear, making the kill (and our lossmail) really awesome! Admit it, it's winsauce to both kill ships in AND kill a T3/faction ship.