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You too can be LEET - Exploit revealed
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Ciar Meara
PIE Inc.
Khimi Harar
#41 - 2012-07-18 07:41:00 UTC
Lipbite wrote:
I believe this "news" are older than your pilot.


Something like what this guy said, but in English.

- [img]http://go-dl1.eve-files.com/media/corp/janus/ceosig.jpg[/img] [yellow]English only please. Zymurgist[/yellow]
Nirnias Stirrum
UberWTFBBQ and Battle Technologies
#42 - 2012-07-18 07:59:25 UTC
How embarrassing. being so bad at playing you need to avoid your KM's being generated.
Alayna Le'line
#43 - 2012-07-18 08:30:06 UTC
Bug most likely marked as "WONTFIX". There must be a bunch of those ;)
Major Trant
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#44 - 2012-07-18 08:38:00 UTC
To the Devs:

I know you are busy people so here is the fix. All you have to do is insert this bit of code into the Eject routinue at the point where the ship stats are being re-generated.

IF (Structure_HP < 1) Then
Structure_HP = 1
ENDIF
dexington
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#45 - 2012-07-18 08:39:28 UTC
Major Trant wrote:
To the Devs:

I know you are busy people so here is the fix. All you have to do is insert this bit of code into the Eject routinue at the point where the ship stats are being re-generated.

IF (Structure_HP < 1) Then
Structure_HP = 1
ENDIF


Sounds more like that makes ships indestructible Smile

I'm a relatively respectable citizen. Multiple felon perhaps, but certainly not dangerous.
dexington
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#46 - 2012-07-18 08:42:54 UTC
dexington wrote:
Major Trant wrote:
To the Devs:

I know you are busy people so here is the fix. All you have to do is insert this bit of code into the Eject routinue at the point where the ship stats are being re-generated.

IF (Structure_HP < 1) Then
Structure_HP = 1
ENDIF


Sounds more like that makes ships indestructible Smile


edit, guess the way you describe it makes sense, but it's not going to solve your kill mail problem, there is still no pilot in the ship when it later gets destroyed.

I'm a relatively respectable citizen. Multiple felon perhaps, but certainly not dangerous.
Cebraio
State War Academy
Caldari State
#47 - 2012-07-18 08:47:48 UTC
dexington wrote:
dexington wrote:
Major Trant wrote:
To the Devs:

I know you are busy people so here is the fix. All you have to do is insert this bit of code into the Eject routinue at the point where the ship stats are being re-generated.

IF (Structure_HP < 1) Then
Structure_HP = 1
ENDIF


Sounds more like that makes ships indestructible Smile


edit, guess the way you describe it makes sense, but it's not going to solve your kill mail problem, there is still no pilot in the ship when it later gets destroyed.

So, lets add an instant 1M shield for 1 minute to the ship when people eject. Then the aggressors can stop shooting and pick up the T3 later. Twisted
Major Trant
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#48 - 2012-07-18 08:48:30 UTC
dexington wrote:
dexington wrote:
Major Trant wrote:
To the Devs:

I know you are busy people so here is the fix. All you have to do is insert this bit of code into the Eject routinue at the point where the ship stats are being re-generated.

IF (Structure_HP < 1) Then
Structure_HP = 1
ENDIF


Sounds more like that makes ships indestructible Smile


edit, guess the way you describe it makes sense, but it's not going to solve your kill mail problem, there is still no pilot in the ship when it later gets destroyed.


Not true. I tested this last night.

1. I shot one noobship to 11 structure, pilot ejected and the ship popped - no KillMail
2. I shot one noobship to low armor, pilot ejected and then I shot it until it popped and got this KM, with the pilot still showing as the owner and the full damage taken. The only thing I didn't test was shooting with multiple pilot and seeing if people who didn't fire after the eject still appeared - anyone?

http://eve.battleclinic.com/killboard/killmail.php?id=16987674
Soldarius
Dreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
#49 - 2012-07-18 08:51:48 UTC
Yawn. Nothing to see here.

http://youtu.be/YVkUvmDQ3HY
Caitlyn Tufy
Perkone
Caldari State
#50 - 2012-07-18 08:57:27 UTC  |  Edited by: Caitlyn Tufy
Akirei Scytale wrote:
Lol, people care this much about killmails? Roll


If that killmail were a titan, I could imagine people doing this quite a lot.

Come to think of it, I'm fairly sure I've read about this at least a month ago - precisely in relation to titans.

Cebraio wrote:
So, lets add an instant 1M shield for 1 minute to the ship when people eject. Then the aggressors can stop shooting and pick up the T3 later. Twisted


I love this idea Big smile
Amenotep Polo
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#51 - 2012-07-18 10:00:15 UTC
How is this an exploit/new/smart?

This has been done for years...
ACE McFACE
Dirt 'n' Glitter
Local Is Primary
#52 - 2012-07-18 10:13:10 UTC
Who cares about lossmails?

Now, more than ever, we need a dislike button.
Rashmika Clavain
Revelation Space
#53 - 2012-07-18 11:06:52 UTC
Large Collidable Object wrote:

Self-facial cumshot par excellence.



I actually did this once. It was very embarrassing to say the least.
Major Trant
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#54 - 2012-07-18 11:29:13 UTC
If a pilot ejects with greater than 20% structure remaining and his ship still takes fire and pops, he gets a lossmail. I proved this last night.

If a pilot ejects with less than 20% structure remaining his ship pops because his mechanic skill bonus is removed from the ship. No lossmail is generated because the system doesn't recognise a pilot getting the final blow. I also proved this last night.

If anyone can't see that the second case is the result of a hole in the progamming code, there is something wrong with you. And anyone timing their eject to take advantage of that bug is clearly EXPLOITING the system. It doesn't get any clearer than that. In fact it would be worth petitioning the English Oxford Dictionary to include this example in the definition of the word EXPLOIT.

To those saying KMs don't matter, I say it matters to all the people trying to ridicule this thread with phrases like KMs don't matter - why are you so concerned that CCP might actually fix this bug? Clearly it matters to the pilots who use this EXPLOIT. Like the two command ships pilots I witnessed do just this. As someone above posted, if a Titan pilot used this EXPLOIT to avoid his loss mail the people involved would be pretty hacked off. I would also point out that it is not just Loss Mails, but what about a T3 pilot using this EXPLOIT to avoid the Skill Point hit.

I don't fly T3 so I'm only guessing that last, apologies if I am wrong on that, but I know I've read a T3 pilot blogg about losing a Legion but getting a 'Perfect Eject'.

To those saying this is old news. Did you actually work out the mechanic of the EXPLOIT. Did you bug report it with a step by step guide of how to repeat it?

I did, and it was clear to me that during my investigation into the command ship kills, most people had no idea why those kills didn't generate. Repeatidly people were telling me they must have self-destructed or it was some random bug. The CCP GMs who handled my original petition into the second one told me "Sometimes when a node is overloaded, a loss mail is not authored, it is a low priority on the node and sometimes happens."
Danks
Fat Angry Toe Tappin Inbreds
#55 - 2012-07-18 11:51:54 UTC
I just can't wrap my head around the fact that you actually care about this....
Implying Implications
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#56 - 2012-07-18 11:56:00 UTC
~killboards~

hello
War Kitten
Panda McLegion
#57 - 2012-07-18 12:16:10 UTC
The ship still asplodes.

The loots get dropped.

The pilot is left in a pod.

All the game-state things that matter occur.

Submit it to the bug-tracker and move on with your life.

I don't judge people by their race, religion, color, size, age, gender, or ethnicity. I judge them by their grammar, spelling, syntax, punctuation, clarity of expression, and logical consistency.
Halete
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#58 - 2012-07-18 12:19:53 UTC
This is older than EVE itself.

"To know the true path, but yet, to never follow it. That is possibly the gravest sin" - The Scriptures, Book of Missions 13:21
TheGunslinger42
All Web Investigations
#59 - 2012-07-18 12:29:47 UTC
It must be awful being someone who has to exploit poor mechanics in order to hide the fact they lost at a vidya game.

Calm down bros.
Shameless Avenger
Can Preachers of Kador
#60 - 2012-07-18 12:32:57 UTC
Calm down guys. Crimewatch will fix all of this.

"This is the Ninja. He will scan you down; he will salvage your wrecks and there shall be no aggro"