Intergalactic Summit

Pilot Rogue Integer, I have a counteroffer. How about we, the baseliner nations, clear away the demented infomorphs like the cancer they are, so that those of us who still retain the semblance of sanity (and the paleolithic emotions) can explore this universe in peace?

This is simply not right. Evolution comes with progress. Just look at the Caldari State, where you can find the most advanced technologies together with most advanced sovereignty you can find in our cluster, and this is much beyond any Dark Age thinker could propose. This is what you get by evolution, by survival of the fittest and constant advancement. Under Dark Age sovereignty you may think Amarr Empire, but look at the Empire, it evolves too! Just in our lifetime we have seen as the Empire started to get rid of slavery institutions, and, I hope, soon we will see as it turns into much more stronger and developed entity.

The problem lies not within Dark Age sovereignties, but with antique sovereignties. I am talking about Gallente Federation and Minmatar Republic, who use the most ancient and ineffective approach to management: democracy. And they don't want to develop their numbed obsolete society.

And you know, this is only a half of a problem. If these nations would like to stay behind progress with iron/bronze age sovereignty, let them be, they are hurting only themselves. But the problem is that they want to turn back progress for others, they spread their savage dirty hands into other cultures, confident that only their degraded society should prevail. If you want to shoot something, shoot them. You will serve a great service to humanity.


By talking about "clearing away" baseliner nations, you forget one thing: that it is we who are servants of baseliners. Do you know why the State made capsuleers? Have you ever considered what is the life expectancy of a non-capsuleer combat pilot?..

Should you start "clearing away" baseliners, they will say **** you and your clones, you will be denied of cloning service, you will be denied of docking service, repair and refuelling service, you will be denied even of FTL communications. You will be left alone in a vast void of space, with only one life in a tin can. And when they will come after you, you will remember about life expectancy of a combat pilot.

I do not see much difference between baseline paleolithic humans and capsuleer paleolithic transhumans, except a matter of scale and excentricity. Put godlike powers in the hands of any baseliner and they will not prove different from what we are.

Without baseline society, capsuleers are absolutely nothing. Unless everyone becomes a capsuleer, or ascend to another state of being. I would rather prefer the latter.

In my humble opinion, you notice the right causes but fail to assess the right conclusions.

Don't really care what you think, Thessalonia.

Integer's statements speak for themselves, they don't need you to try and make them more palatable. No matter how you word it, the sentiment is the same and the disregard for the lives of those affected is clearly present.

This.



What? What in the cluster is a 'paleolithic' human? Did you just make that up?

Tell me, how does a sane, reasonable man come to that conclusion without the introduction of foreign devices into his skull?

Evolving into a deluded being like yourself?

I would sooner die one million deaths. I would gladly do so, even, to stop your disgusting forced-evolution of our nations.

I would certainly not expect the spirits to single-handedly, no. However, I am certain that they would guide my auto-cannons if I were to start a campaign to remove ignorance from the cluster - and you would be at the top of my list.

Easily? The application of logical thinking while putting aside quaint notions of patriotism?

First, I'll note that there are significant elements of the Caldari structure that have great value. I note with particular interest the emphasis on merit and achievement over ancestry, for example, and the belief that individuals can achieve their greatest potential via cooperation with others. In fact, insofar as the State is more of a collection of cooperating organizations than a traditional nation, it certainly has evolved past some of its "peers".

Allowing yourself to be led by a baseliner is a mistake, though, and one I hope you'll eventually change. And while I believe that hierarchical top-down organizations are inherently misguided, I also believe that your focus on efficiency will lead you to a better path.

The Amarr Empire may have improved slightly, but as long as it clings to religion and its current social model, it can never truly evolve into something new. Similarly, the Minmatar Republic's kinship structure may have worked well in times of survival in hostile planetary environments but simply cannot cope with the strains of an interstellar culture. Their lack of internal development bears that out clearly.

The Gallente Federation is a more complex case. On the one hand, they have elements of self-organization and individual freedom that point the way to the future. On the other hand, they mistakenly believe that all individuals actually have the same value, borne out through quaint notions such as individual voting that lead to mob rule. In fact, the ignorant masses become a tool to be wielded by those with control of the media and similar structures, but this is less a case of allowing the most qualified individuals to run things than it is allowing a specific set of corrupt leaders more power than they actually deserve.

Still, the Gallente-Caldari theater offers more hope for the future than the Minmatar-Amarr conflict. A fusion of your two systems, combined with unfettered scientific research, might be a major component of the recipe for humanity's progress.