Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Anyway, the rules are equal for everyone aside from true criminals. If you want to shoot first, move to null/WH or live with the consequences.

Make this change, and we'd just go from keeping our sec status above -2.0 to keeping it above 0.

Either that or you'd come into low sec, find out most of us will happily take gate guns to kill you and then you'll die anyway. Then we'll probably see you posting something along the lines of "hurr durr buff gate guns".

While there is alot of back'n'forth here, I have to say that I agree with the sentiment of not loosing Sec Status for Shooting those who have a Negative Sec-Status.

Sure shooting people with -5.0 (i.e. Full Criminals) is complete free of GCC or Sec Hits, but more and more pirates these days don't even bother to take pride in having -10.0 Sec Status anymore... Noooo that is bad because then they can't run to Jita to reship.

So they wander off to Null-Sec, grind up their Sec Status again on the rats. Then return to the regularly schedualed d-baggery.
I wouldn't mind so much but this means they are free to engage first, often I have even noticed they will come looking for a fight ... then refuse to engage unless you shoot THEM first.

Still in any case if they are above -5.0, any agressive action regardless of if they have agressed you are not is rewarded by Concord giving you a Sec Hit.

Now the way I see it, Sec-Status should be something that is considerably difficult to aquire back and be based upon Anti-Pirate Actions NOT NPC Kills. Having such a system tied to NPCs allows for grinding, it also means many pirate groups will generally ignore each other in-favour of those who don't share "their" space... i.e. Rookies, Militia Pilots or Neutrals.

In my opinion, any agressive action against any non-War Target (i.e. Valid Targets) should result in a Sec Loss.
When a ship is destroyed, regardless of who begun the action ... The Winner(s) are provided a Security Status change, based against the Losers Status.

So basically the Sec Status because the proporational change.
i.e. -5.0 = +5%, +5.0 = -5%

This way the higher the Security the bigger the hit. If this was made the ONLY method of gaining Security Standings (i.e. Killing Criminals) this would make it a far bigger commitment. I mean this is how Faction Warfare works with the Standings between the Factions... should I kill a Luminaire General or whatever the heck the frogs call themselves, I get a considerably Standings Hit towards the Gallente; while killing one of their Lieutenants is a relatively small hit.

It honestly makes more sense to me that way.
This would be made even better if this extended to those with Factional Standings as well, change it so that Gains / Losses were based around Actions done directly for that Faction; instead of NPC Missions.

In my opinion the NPC stuff should be basically self-contained to NPC Corporations Only.
As it stands Sec Status, past NPCs shooting you means nothing. Certain Standings are easy to grind away, while others are a bizzare pain.

The last thing I will say here is this... I should be allowed to shoot ANYONE who enters a Complex for my Faction without taking any status hit, unless they are with my Faction. These are suppose to be Militiary Installations we are meant to be guarding, yet Concord gets a say that my actions are criminal for doing my damn job? F-That.
These people are on militiary property, as such in direct violation of restricted airspace ... they should have the simple choice of GTFO immediately or face the consequences rather than myself or anyone else in my faction weighing up if the security status hit is worth it.

Most of us will take the hit to destroy neutral alts who are there to perform logistics / ecm without the wraith of the NPCs.
You're telling me if I shoot them then I AM the one in the wrong? That is just screwed up!

This made zero sense at all.

I do want to know what someone engages in by looking at their SEC status. Pay attention. I said it multiple times, very clearly. I WANT TO KNOW WHAT THEY DO ACCORDING TO SEC STATUS. Good guys are marked by POSITIVE, PIRATES are negative. Why is that so complicated?

You somehow make it sound like I am doing something wrong by shooting a known criminal. Sorry, no. Being a pirate is not about being a good citizen. Pirates are scum, especially gate-camping turds. To claim they somehow deserve protection and the right to shoot first is hypocritical at best.

Too bad that it's the person that fires second that has the advantage in gatefights.

you missed something. 0.0 crews on low sec roams can get negative status for killing other 0.0 peeps doing the same thing.
If you have a really good day popping say pl peeps at low sec midpoints (I'll be nice, you are mowing down cynos and even catching the jf's and any assitance they bring nearby) and racking up pods negative sec status if not uber bear sec status 5 real possible. In this case neihter are good or bad, 2 0.0 NBSI alliances who don't worry about kills out of war decs, its what they do rain or shine, red or not red. As a midpoint usually well away from a gate (and its guns), its all good,


Want to kill the meany pirates, bait on belts. No guns, shoot first all you want. Want to be there anyway.....a belt you have some say in the range of engagement and how it will go. A proper gatae camp, most if not all damage dealers are in spots they have guessed will be in range of where you land on jump in. Guessed wrong they adjust quick and then whoop your ass.

Touche'