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Mr Bushar's Bond Run #1: 10M bonds, 30d, 15% interest (DONE, REPAID)

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Mr Bushar
Doomheim
#121 - 2012-07-19 22:35:12 UTC  |  Edited by: ISD Dorrim Barstorlode
Kailean wrote:
"rep grind", the whole "early investor bonus package!" (or whatever you called it) and about a dozen other small things) left a sour taste in my mouth. I don't wish you the best of luck, because I'd rather see people like you fail. I realize you probably won't however.



You irate?
You fuming?

When my business grows into a trillion isk economic powerhouse, and my investors will be earning the highest returns on this entire forum, are you going to pretend you're not shaking with rage?


And before I accept you as a future investor, Kailean, I will want a full apology.
Tanith YarnDemon
Hypernet Inc.
Umbrella Chemical Inc
#122 - 2012-07-20 01:10:15 UTC  |  Edited by: Tanith YarnDemon
Shadowfoot wrote:

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Interesting reply, sadly it doesn't really tell why giving one random stranger the API and not another. If the reason is as easy as you trust Callean Drevus but not VV I'm sure we can convince him to audit you for us, and most issues would be gone?


For releasing sensitive stuff like that IRL , auditing firms would follow Arthur Anderson's path, be sued, and responsible people go to jail for a heavy sentence.



So, you're saying that the guy you're vouching for should be sued and go to jail with a heavy sentence as he released said information to Callean Drevus and others?
David Forge
GameOn Inc.
#123 - 2012-07-20 01:25:05 UTC
Mr Bushar wrote:
When my business grows into a trillion isk economic powerhouse, and my investors will be earning the highest returns on this entire forum, are you going to pretend you're not shaking with rage?


And before I accept you as a future investor, Kailean, I will want a full apology.


Christ. This is hilarious. The thread that keeps on giving.
Mr Bushar
Doomheim
#124 - 2012-07-20 01:50:45 UTC
David Forge wrote:
Mr Bushar wrote:
When my business grows into a trillion isk economic powerhouse, and my investors will be earning the highest returns on this entire forum, are you going to pretend you're not shaking with rage?


And before I accept you as a future investor, Kailean, I will want a full apology.


Christ. This is hilarious. The thread that keeps on giving.


If by giving you mean giving the best interest, bonuses, constant operational updates and delivering amazing results, then I would definitely agree with you there!
Cebraio
State War Academy
Caldari State
#125 - 2012-07-20 08:20:25 UTC  |  Edited by: Cebraio
I completely agree with Kailean, at some point in time I was about to invest 100m in your oh so great business, because I wanted to help a new trader. Also, I'm relatively sure that you'll pay your dues this time. After all, this is just a bond for rep grinding, as you openly admit.

I would never have trusted you for anything beyond 100m though. So, regardless of your rep grinding, I hope you reconsider the audit or bring collateral next time.

Anyway, it won't matter to me, because I rather keep my money than investing in a guy with such attitude. Throwing shìt at your fellow traders and thinking you're the greatest, is just stupid.

In addition, Shadowfoot comes across as a bittervet who shìts on the community and thinks he's better than the rest. Having him at your side, doesn't really help your reputation. Two people with a bad attitude don't multiply to one good attitude.
Mr Bushar
Doomheim
#126 - 2012-07-20 11:44:53 UTC
Cebraio wrote:
Also, I'm relatively sure that you'll pay your dues this time. After all, this is just a bond for rep grinding, as you openly admit.

Anyway, it won't matter to me, because I rather keep my money than investing in a guy with such attitude. Throwing shìt at your fellow traders and thinking you're the greatest, is just stupid.


In addition, Shadowfoot comes across as a bittervet who shìts on the community and thinks he's better than the rest. Having him at your side, doesn't really help your reputation. Two people with a bad attitude don't multiply to one good attitude.


1. I will pay my dues every time, and this has nothing to do with "rep grinding" at its core.
It has to do with my personality. I'm not capable of stealing or hurting people.

2. My attitude.. never have I claimed that my trading strategies are the best. In fact, I openly admitted - twice already - that they are inferior to at least two traders in here. There's a difference between striving to be the best and not willing to share your secrets, and being in denial about being the best. The fact that I'm offering the highest interest rates though, I don't know how one can argue with that. That's how I can compete with the other traders.

What you really hate about my attitude is, I'm sorry to say, what you hate about yourself.
You can't handle the fact that I can come here as a completely new player, bring unique ideas, be confident in my ability to succeed and grow, and not succumb to this ridiculous 'MD' peer pressure of doing the same old thing every time.
If there was one word that would describe the anger here without getting all psychological, it's "hater".

3. Shadowfoot is Shadowfoot. He's my best friend. I don't care whether you like what he says or not, or whether you think he's good or bad for my business. If I thought he was "bad for business", I wouldn't even care in the first place.
Some people have their priorities straight bro, because at the end of the day, you have friends and then you have an online game.
Mr Bushar
Doomheim
#127 - 2012-07-20 11:58:58 UTC  |  Edited by: Mr Bushar
And Cebraio, I wanted to add, that I appreciate your good intentions of considering to invest 100M to help out a new trader.

However, and this goes for everyone else here as well, if investing in my business in any way makes you feel uncomfortable, then please hold off and do not invest. At least not in this bond run.

At my current rate of growth (and a net profit of approximately 235M yesterday after accruing interest expense), an investment of 100M or any amount is not something that is absolutely necessary.

Everything helps, and once someone becomes an investor they get my full level of service and support (I use evegate to answer any questions, provide detailed reports on request, etc...) , but if you don't like me or don't trust me and want to invest just to 'Do me a favour', you are completely misunderstanding the point. I'm not interested in favours nor am I interested in making anyone uncomfortable with their decisions.

I see several new traders in this forum who are asking for advice and for help, your 100M would be a lot more significant to them if your intention was to simply "help out" as opposed to investing for good service and interest
Cebraio
State War Academy
Caldari State
#128 - 2012-07-20 12:04:37 UTC
Mr Bushar wrote:

What you really hate about my attitude is, I'm sorry to say, what you hate about yourself.
You can't handle the fact that I can come here as a completely new player, bring unique ideas, be confident in my ability to succeed and grow, and not succumb to this ridiculous 'MD' peer pressure of doing the same old thing every time.
If there was one word that would describe the anger here without getting all psychological, it's "hater".

Nope, you're wrong about my reasons not to like your attitude and since you don't know me (you don't even know what I do in EVE - hint: it's not station trading) it's a bold move to make assumptions based on nothing. If you mean "you" in a wider sense, I'd still say you're wrong about MD people being haters.

Mr Bushar wrote:

3. Shadowfoot is Shadowfoot. He's my best friend. I don't care whether you like what he says or not, or whether you think he's good or bad for my business. If I thought he was "bad for business", I wouldn't even care in the first place.
Some people have their priorities straight bro, because at the end of the day, you have friends and then you have an online game.

Fair enough. I didn't mean you should sacrifice your friendship over reputation in an online game. But if he jumps in and acts like your partner in this - or if you present him as someone who can vouch for you, his reputation will fall back on you. That's all I meant. Ever since his identity was revealed, you two present yourselves as a team ("our income", "pay us 100bil", "we will worth") and as a team you are judged by possible investors.
Mr Bushar
Doomheim
#129 - 2012-07-20 12:08:04 UTC  |  Edited by: Mr Bushar
Cebraio wrote:
Mr Bushar wrote:

What you really hate about my attitude is, I'm sorry to say, what you hate about yourself.
You can't handle the fact that I can come here as a completely new player, bring unique ideas, be confident in my ability to succeed and grow, and not succumb to this ridiculous 'MD' peer pressure of doing the same old thing every time.
If there was one word that would describe the anger here without getting all psychological, it's "hater".

Nope, you're wrong about my reasons not to like your attitude and since you don't know me (you don't even know what I do in EVE - hint: it's not station trading) it's a bold move to make assumptions based on nothing. If you mean "you" in a wider sense, I'd still say you're wrong about MD people being haters.


Apologies for the misunderstanding, by "you" I did not actually mean 'you, Cebraio' nor the entire MD community.
I meant those who dislike what I'm doing simply for the fact that it does not follow MD social norms (LOL, you have to admit that is a little funny).


You're a 2003 character, so I'm quite curious - what do you do in eve?
Cebraio
State War Academy
Caldari State
#130 - 2012-07-20 12:17:28 UTC
Mr Bushar wrote:

You're a 2003 character, so I'm quite curious - what do you do in eve?

There are many people from 2003 or 2004 still around and most of them are more successful at EVE (if making isk is the measurement of success). Honestly, I suck at making decent amounts of isk.

But since you asked: When I trade, I am inter-region trading. Buying cheap somewhere and moving it to Jita or wherever it sells for inflated prices. I dislike station trading. Especially in Jita, there is too much competition and too much .01 isking involved.

I'm looking forward to get into 0.0 again, where I will probably lose all the money I made in high-sec - again.
Shadowfoot
Doomheim
#131 - 2012-07-20 12:37:28 UTC
Cebraio wrote:
Mr Bushar wrote:

You're a 2003 character, so I'm quite curious - what do you do in eve?

There are many people from 2003 or 2004 still around and most of them are more successful at EVE (if making isk is the measurement of success). Honestly, I suck at making decent amounts of isk.

But since you asked: When I trade, I am inter-region trading. Buying cheap somewhere and moving it to Jita or wherever it sells for inflated prices. I dislike station trading. Especially in Jita, there is too much competition and too much .01 isking involved.

I'm looking forward to get into 0.0 again, where I will probably lose all the money I made in high-sec - again.


Yep a 1500dps ship will only yield you 30million ticks in anoms, giving around 90m/hr. In highsec i can make 40m/hr just from bounties running missions for caldari navy, that and LP+mission rewards adds up too, all in safety of high sec.
JohnathanGalt
Northern Sky Industries
#132 - 2012-07-20 13:18:27 UTC
David Forge wrote:
Mr Bushar wrote:
When my business grows into a trillion isk economic powerhouse, and my investors will be earning the highest returns on this entire forum, are you going to pretend you're not shaking with rage?


And before I accept you as a future investor, Kailean, I will want a full apology.


Christ. This is hilarious. The thread that keeps on giving.



Amen Mr. Forge, Amen.
Tanith YarnDemon
Hypernet Inc.
Umbrella Chemical Inc
#133 - 2012-07-20 13:30:19 UTC
I'm still sort of interested in investing, but I really would like some kind of vouch from soneone not suggesting you be sued and jailed(Shadowfoot).

Would this be possible to arrange?
Mr Bushar
Doomheim
#134 - 2012-07-20 14:44:56 UTC
Confirming receipt of 100M in bonds from Capa Trade!
Congratulations to our fourth premium investor


Tanith YarnDemon, I will contact you
Mr Bushar
Doomheim
#135 - 2012-07-20 14:56:23 UTC  |  Edited by: Mr Bushar
important announcement

This bond run is temporarily on freeze.

I'm proud to announce that we have reached full operational capacity for now.
In a week, when capacity expands, I may unfreeze the bond for a few more days, or I may decide that it is now closed.

All investors will be paid on time.
Feel free to contact me with any additional requests

I will be updating this thread with operational results on at least a weekly basis.


Pre-freeze investor list and payment schedule. Please contact me BY MAIL (I rarely activate the in-game chat, but when I do, you can find me in any of the trade channels and you could open a convo with me). if you notice any errors.
http://i.imgur.com/8giBJ.png
Tanith YarnDemon
Hypernet Inc.
Umbrella Chemical Inc
#136 - 2012-07-20 15:40:52 UTC
Just posting to confirm that I've been contacted but that the investee was unable to have anyone vouch for him and no other means to confirm any of stated statistics.

Oh well...
Mr Bushar
Doomheim
#137 - 2012-07-20 15:43:26 UTC
Tanith YarnDemon wrote:
Just posting to confirm that I've been contacted but that the investee was unable to have anyone vouch for him and no other means to confirm any of stated statistics.

Oh well...


The investee, Tanith, does not have anyone to vouch for him because the repayment date has not arrived yet.
The only thing they could vouch for is the 2% of principal bonus payments I paid out.
Rhivre
TarNec
Invisible Exchequer
#138 - 2012-07-20 16:06:49 UTC
You should get together with this guy

Goblin

Together you could rule eve

Fluffy Bunny Pic!

Tanith YarnDemon
Hypernet Inc.
Umbrella Chemical Inc
#139 - 2012-07-20 17:23:00 UTC
Mr Bushar wrote:
Tanith YarnDemon wrote:
Just posting to confirm that I've been contacted but that the investee was unable to have anyone vouch for him and no other means to confirm any of stated statistics.

Oh well...


The investee, Tanith, does not have anyone to vouch for him because the repayment date has not arrived yet.
The only thing they could vouch for is the 2% of principal bonus payments I paid out.


There is a myriad of other things possible to vouch. That there at all is transactions happening, that you are active, that you're not an obvious alt, that someone else what so ever has any sort of trust in you. The list can go very very far.

Basically, what you asked Shadowfoot to vouch, before he called you a criminal.
Mr Bushar
Doomheim
#140 - 2012-07-20 17:24:49 UTC
Tanith YarnDemon wrote:


There is a myriad of other things possible to vouch. That there at all is transactions happening, that you are active, that you're not an obvious alt, that someone else what so ever has any sort of trust in you. The list can go very very far.

Basically, what you asked Shadowfoot to vouch, before he called you a criminal.



I could definitely get my current investors to vouch their investments, but at the moment the bond is frozen :)