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Mr Bushar's Bond Run #1: 10M bonds, 30d, 15% interest (DONE, REPAID)

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Mr Bushar
Doomheim
#101 - 2012-07-19 13:23:48 UTC
Tanith YarnDemon wrote:
Interesting reply, sadly it doesn't really tell why giving one random stranger the API and not another. If the reason is as easy as you trust Callean Drevus but not VV I'm sure we can convince him to audit you for us, and most issues would be gone?


I've actually removed my API from any service website and will be hosting a version of eve-profits locally for future spreadsheet purposes :)
David Forge
GameOn Inc.
#102 - 2012-07-19 13:24:40 UTC  |  Edited by: David Forge
Okay, that last reply (EDIT: second to last) sounded scammy as hell. I will pay the cost of an audit if VV will do it, full price for just a quick and basic analysis to see that actual trading that match these reported profits is going on. I pretty sure I can guarantee that whatever über-proprietary trading Kung-fu you claim to be using will be of little interest to him and if you're not paying for it then your two gripes are assuaged.
Shadowfoot
Doomheim
#103 - 2012-07-19 13:49:39 UTC  |  Edited by: Shadowfoot
Haha I love it. Mr Bushar is a new player(didnt play game for longer than 2month combined since 2003), and he trades on the level of a trader who was playing game for years.

I also love the fact that you think he is in need of any bonds, or audits. I believe we will get much more ISK from our current investors and their friends after 1month passes. And I expect our income to grow astronomicaly, to the point where I will start doing invention/research/production. Right now its all trading.

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Interesting reply, sadly it doesn't really tell why giving one random stranger the API and not another. If the reason is as easy as you trust Callean Drevus but not VV I'm sure we can convince him to audit you for us, and most issues would be gone?


For releasing sensitive stuff like that IRL , auditing firms would follow Arthur Anderson's path, be sued, and responsible people go to jail for a heavy sentence.
Strrog
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#104 - 2012-07-19 14:07:20 UTC
CorInaXeraL wrote:
How is this thread still alive? Can we finally bury it and quit beating it like a dead horse?


We need moar verbal/text DPS in here :P
Mr Bushar
Doomheim
#105 - 2012-07-19 14:30:40 UTC
David Forge wrote:
Okay, that last reply (EDIT: second to last) sounded scammy as hell. I will pay the cost of an audit if VV will do it, full price for just a quick and basic analysis to see that actual trading that match these reported profits is going on. I pretty sure I can guarantee that whatever über-proprietary trading Kung-fu you claim to be using will be of little interest to him and if you're not paying for it then your two gripes are assuaged.


Shadowfoot can vouch for my level of insanity when it comes to perfecting everything I do
Kailean
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#106 - 2012-07-19 14:44:04 UTC
Mr Bushar wrote:
However, my style of trading is unique, and based on my very very extensive market analysis and watching the behaviours of many of my competitors, without being disrespectful at all, I can say that many competitors do not have a good understanding of what it takes to be really successful. In other words, they're being stupid.

I usually don't do this, but aren't you just precious. "The thing that hath been, it is that which shall be; and that which is done is that which shall be done: and there is no new thing under the sun." (I'd offer bonus points if anyone knows where it's from, but with Google that's pretty useless.) Chances are that you in fact, aren't unique in your methods. Any big trader -- not the ones you so flippantly dismiss with being stupid -- will do his or her market research. How they do it might differ, but the end result is that they make money.

Additionally, your growth is nothing exceptional. I'd wager that most people that know what they're doing can report similar figures for trading with less than 2b. If you manage to keep the same levels of profit once you hit 2-10b it might be worth a raised eyebrow, but nothing more.
Mr Bushar
Doomheim
#107 - 2012-07-19 14:47:11 UTC  |  Edited by: Mr Bushar
Kailean wrote:

I usually don't do this, but aren't you just precious. "The thing that hath been, it is that which shall be; and that which is done is that which shall be done: and there is no new thing under the sun." (I'd offer bonus points if anyone knows where it's from, but with Google that's pretty useless.) Chances are that you in fact, aren't unique in your methods. Any big trader -- not the ones you so flippantly dismiss with being stupid -- will do his or her market research. How they do it might differ, but the end result is that they make money.

Additionally, your growth is nothing exceptional. I'd wager that most people that know what they're doing can report similar figures for trading with less than 2b. If you manage to keep the same levels of profit once you hit 2-10b it might be worth a raised eyebrow, but nothing more.


As I said, I may not be the best trader. In fact, I'm certain that I'm not; following Rykker's success in his thread, I can admit that my level of trading skill is nowhere as close right now.

That cannot stop me from continuously improving my tactics and striving to be the best trader though, and my progress/current ideas about the market are to remain undisclosed.


FYI, I'm already at 2b.
Kailean
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#108 - 2012-07-19 14:53:47 UTC  |  Edited by: Kailean
Mr Bushar wrote:
David Forge wrote:
Okay, that last reply (EDIT: second to last) sounded scammy as hell. I will pay the cost of an audit if VV will do it, full price for just a quick and basic analysis to see that actual trading that match these reported profits is going on. I pretty sure I can guarantee that whatever über-proprietary trading Kung-fu you claim to be using will be of little interest to him and if you're not paying for it then your two gripes are assuaged.


Shadowfoot can vouch for my level of insanity when it comes to perfecting everything I do

But we trust VV, not Shadowfoot.

Mr Bushar wrote:
somethingsomething 2b

Congratulations, I guess?

I'll just say this and then leave the thread for good:
At the start I might have been interested in investing in you. But your attitude throughout this thread and the "audits are useless" one, as well as a few red flags you've raised throughout made me wary. As it is I don't actually *need* to invest in you -- much like I didn't need to invest in Rykker or Kei either -- I have enough money after all; investments are just a kind of community activity I figured I'd engage in. Rykker's bond had a good interest rate (Kei's not so much, but I had spare change), but chances are I'd made a lot more if I'd just kept my money.

However, as I said -- your attitude and approach ("I'm better than all of you" (followed by quick backtracking) and "I do things MY way" as well as "No, my trade secrets are so secret I won't allow an audit and besides I also don't think they're worth anything", "rep grind", the whole "early investor bonus package!" (or whatever you called it) and about a dozen other small things) left a sour taste in my mouth. I don't wish you the best of luck, because I'd rather see people like you fail. I realize you probably won't however.

Additionally, Shadowfoot would be a useless voucher. The fact that Shadowfoot is also your RL friend does not lend him any credence here, since you two might be in this together. A well-known, independent and well trusted third party is necessary to assuage any doubts people might have. Shadowfoot is neither of these things. VV is trusted by most (all?) of MD, and for good reason. I seriously doubt that VV has any real interest in stealing the pittances you're dealing with and in, and if someone else paid for the audit I can't see any reasons for you to actually decline, unless there's something you're hiding from us.

Shadowfoot said something among the lines of "blabla doesn't need any bonds etc etc", yet this is in fact a thread about that very thing. If what he says is true -- that you don't need any bonds -- I see no reason for you to continue on this path. No, things definitely do not add up in my book.

Finally: no, you're NOT the god of trading that you think you are. Your profit margins are smack in the middle of the bell curve, and nothing else.
Mr Bushar
Doomheim
#109 - 2012-07-19 17:47:35 UTC
JULY 19: NEWS! SURPRISE BONUS PAYMENT

I have just wired a total of 12.5M to my investors with the following message:


Dear Valued Investor,

I have wired funds to you equal to 2% of your invested principal.
This payment is in addition to the regular full repayment of principal and 15% interest that you will receive from me.

This bonus was paid to you because of exceptional operational results that have far exceeded my expectations, and as a token of gratitude for your continued support of my trading business.

Have a great weekend! :)
Bushar




This was a one-time payment. I do not guarantee bonus payments above and beyond the interest stated in our agreement.
However, depending upon contingent events (such as exceptional operational results), it is up to my discretion (with the consent of Shadowfoot) to issue bonus payments to investors.


While I normally do not release any internal analysis information, I will release the following:

500M Bond Issued:
Daily Income: 26,523,314
Daily Interest Expense: (2,500,000)
Daily Net Profit: 24,023,314

100M Bond Issued:
Daily Income: 13,544,687
Daily Interest Expense: (500,000)
Daily Net Profit: 13,044,687
Mr Bushar
Doomheim
#110 - 2012-07-19 17:56:42 UTC
Kailean wrote:

I'll just say this and then leave the thread for good:


It's unfortunate that our disagreements have angered you.
I hope that one day, we can come to a common understanding based on mutual respect.

You should know that I will always welcome you back and would accept you as an investor in the future, should you ever be interested :)

Have a wonderful weekend.
David Forge
GameOn Inc.
#111 - 2012-07-19 18:03:50 UTC
So that we're all clear, you are going to refuse an audit at no cost or risk to you to help clear away this cloud of doubt?
Mr Bushar
Doomheim
#112 - 2012-07-19 18:09:29 UTC
David Forge wrote:
So that we're all clear, you are going to refuse an audit at no cost or risk to you to help clear away this cloud of doubt?


Absolutely :)
Shadowfoot
Doomheim
#113 - 2012-07-19 18:11:08 UTC
David Forge wrote:
So that we're all clear, you are going to refuse an audit at no cost or risk to you to help clear away this cloud of doubt?


You are not interested in investing in his bond. You are so jelly you are trying to do the same yourself with funds you currently own.

I enjoy reading this thread so much. So many pathetic desperate replies.

You think you will get his strategy for 200mil?

I will talk to him if you pay us 100bil. Since thats how much we will worth by the end of the year. Nothing more needs to be said
David Forge
GameOn Inc.
#114 - 2012-07-19 18:13:33 UTC
Shadowfoot wrote:
Nothing more needs to be said


Finally something I agree with.
Mr Bushar
Doomheim
#115 - 2012-07-19 18:18:03 UTC
Please note that this bonus payment was predicted by me to be possible before I even started this bond run.

I didn't announce it earlier because:

1) It was based on contingent events, and I did not want to make a promise I cannot fulfill.

2) The cries of 'SCAM' would have been so intense that even I would probably start getting scared. This bonus was unannounced, and a complete surprise, because I wanted to reward those who trust me and invested in my business.

3) There is never a guarantee for future bonus payments. There may be another, or there may never be one again.
Caelis Boirelle
Aurora Investments
#116 - 2012-07-19 20:18:25 UTC
Shadowfoot wrote:
Haha I love it. Mr Bushar is a new player(didnt play game for longer than 2month combined since 2003), and he trades on the level of a trader who was playing game for years.


Uh. No.

Shadowfoot wrote:
I also love the fact that you think he is in need of any bonds, or audits. I believe we will get much more ISK from our current investors and their friends after 1month passes. And I expect our income to grow astronomicaly, to the point where I will start doing invention/research/production. Right now its all trading.


Well if that's the case, just shut up shop now and leave this forum in peace.

You're giving the neighbourhood a bad name.

Aurora Investments is looking for an alliance to call home
CorInaXeraL
The Dresdeneers
#117 - 2012-07-19 20:53:19 UTC
Shadowfoot wrote:


You are not interested in investing in his bond. You are so jelly you are trying to do the same yourself with funds you currently own.

I enjoy reading this thread so much. So many pathetic desperate replies.

You think you will get his strategy for 200mil?


This...is comedy gold. If I really cared about how Mr B. did business and wanted to infiltrate his market, it would take far more than an audit to figure it out. Besides, there are far more subtle ways about infiltrating and demolishing/stealing than screaming on MD for audits. Jelly, me? Naaaaah. Don't really think anyone here is 'jelly'.

Shadowfoot wrote:


I will talk to him if you pay us 100bil. Since thats how much we will worth by the end of the year. Nothing more needs to be said


If, in one year you manage to build up to 100b....then you're just as good, perhaps slightly less-so, than everyone else here. News Flash, it's NOT THAT HARD to do this.
Mr Bushar
Doomheim
#118 - 2012-07-19 21:34:11 UTC
July 19 Results

I'm happy to announce that profitability has recovered and the trend is again showing good growth rates
Turnover is up to 8 Billion!!

Yesterday was slow due to the cyclical nature of the market and me getting into some bad trades.
Nothing we cannot recover from :)

http://i.imgur.com/2zVS6.png
CorInaXeraL
The Dresdeneers
#119 - 2012-07-19 21:55:17 UTC
I've figured it out....

He's like a web-marketer. He's getting paid for each post this thread brings in. He pays CCP for serverspace, and they pay him for the increase in traffic....


Genius.
Mr Bushar
Doomheim
#120 - 2012-07-19 22:24:37 UTC
Congratulations to Invictus Kruegar, our third Premium Investor, who invested a total of 100M!

Updated schedule of bonds outstanding:

http://i.imgur.com/VvpMY.png