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How would you look for a C2 with a C3 static?

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Shaky Ground
Doomheim
#1 - 2012-07-16 12:56:00 UTC
Been in a C2/C2 for a a couple of months and we're looking to upgrade to a C2/C3...hence the question.

So, would you roll the C2 statics, or scan in Highsec? Being mindful that we do not have the personnel to take a WH by force.
Godfrey Silvarna
Arctic Light Inc.
Arctic Light
#2 - 2012-07-16 13:07:37 UTC
Roll the statics.
Van Slyke
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#3 - 2012-07-16 13:09:27 UTC
Rinse and repeat. If you have a dedicated scan alt, send him/her down the rabbit hole til you find your target
Tarunik Raqalth'Qui
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#4 - 2012-07-16 14:14:51 UTC
Keep in mind that 2/L/2 holes often form chains (similar to C4 or C5 chains, but with lots of K-space exits). So, it's a good idea to send scanners down such chains to see if they terminate in the 2/3 you're after.
Bane Nucleus
Dark Venture Corporation
Kitchen Sinkhole
#5 - 2012-07-16 21:36:30 UTC
I would also send a group of scanners out to high sec, and spread out. You will find a ton of C2 and C3 wh's. It's just a matter of patience and how badly you want it.

No trolling please

chris elliot
Lazerhawks
L A Z E R H A W K S
#6 - 2012-07-16 21:58:44 UTC
If you lack the personnel to take one you can always buy one from taggart.
joes Bazooka
Doomheim
#7 - 2012-07-17 00:49:48 UTC
chris elliot wrote:
If you lack the personnel to take one you can always buy one from taggart.


^THIS^

I see them come up all the time, why spend nights looking when you can just pay 500M or so to take an empty one?
Ashimat
Clandestine Services
#8 - 2012-07-17 00:57:55 UTC
If you already have a static C2 you should be experts at C2s... Don't you check the static in the ones you roll? If you have a tower ready you can move in as soon as you find one you like, no?

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Rastin Crysknife
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#9 - 2012-07-17 11:21:53 UTC
I'm with the consensus on this one. Keep rolling the static until it connects to what you want. Heading out to k-space to find a particular type of wormhole is a crapshoot at best.

Bob is always present, watching you traverse space accessable only though wormholes. He is the constant reminder that there is always someone watching you, waiting for your moment of weakness to appear and claim his toll for collecting the bounty of his realm.

Faulx
Brother Fox Corp
#10 - 2012-07-17 12:21:58 UTC  |  Edited by: Faulx
Your best bet is to find wormholes whose destination is a C2 system. Systems you find through K162s have a very very low chance of being unoccupied since K162s only form when you warp to their originating wormhole, meaning someone has definitely already been in that system: most likely a resident.

A group of 4 pilots working with AB equipped BSs should be able to roll the local static every 10 minutes or so. A skilled scanner can find its replacement within a minute or two. So you can get a new chance to find a system every 10-12 minutes by rolling with very little involvement.

wormhole attributes

Don't bother looking for unoccupied holes through high sec, there's only around 100 R943s floating around the 1212 systems in high sec, so the odds don't favor it, you'd have to scan through around 12 systems before finding one. Which would take at least 12 minutes from all the gate jumping and another 2-4 from dropping Deep Space Scan Probes (DSP) to find the right (1/15) signature strength. The odds of finding R943s seem to be even worse in low and null sec.

If you find another class 2 system with a D382 (these are exclusively in region 6, which you can see via the show info window for that system when you jump in), then it would be worthwhile for you to drop a DSP down and find it since D382s have an easy to find 1/15 signature strength, it will be the only 1/15 in system and can be scanned down in mere moments while your battleships are waiting on their jump timers.

Other than the system you start from, there are 140 other class two systems with a D382 to class 2 and 104 with a O477 to class 3 for which you're looking (O477 is exclusively region 4 btw). This means that out of the 525 class 2 systems, you have a 104/525=19.8% chance per roll to find an O477 with your local static and another (140/525)*(104/525)=5.3% chance to find it with the static of the system your static finds. This totals to a (1-(1-.198)*(1-.053))=24.1% chance per roll to find a system with a O477. Assuming only 90% of those will be unpopulated you have around a 2.4% chance per roll to find a useable hole. Given that it takes 12 minutes to roll each time (5 rolls per hour), you would expect to have to roll 28 times before having a 50% chance of finding an unoccupied hole or equivalently, 5.6 hours of pure rolling. So in 11.2 hours you'd expect to have a 75% chance, in 16.8 hours a 87.5% chance, ect...

It's quite possible the occupancy rate is much higher than 90%, in which case the time it takes to find a good hole is going to go way up. For a 95.8% occupancy rating for example... it would take 13.8 hours to have a 50% chance to find a hole. At a 99% occupancy, it would take 2.4 straight days to have a 50% chance (which is probably pretty close to your odds of finding an unoccupied hole through K162s).

So then, the question becomes: Is it more worth your time to use your c2 to farm the ~500 million isk to buy a c3 or more worth your time to spend the 6-20 hours it's likely to take find an unoccupied hole?
Archdaimon
Merchants of the Golden Goose
#11 - 2012-07-17 12:44:53 UTC  |  Edited by: Archdaimon
Faulx wrote:
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If your number ain't just magic, that above is some serious helpful ****.
And here I was just going to answer "probe".

On a second note, if you want to live in a c2, but farm the c3's why not take a c4 with a static c3 instead?
There are far more of those unoccupied.

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Godfrey Silvarna
Arctic Light Inc.
Arctic Light
#12 - 2012-07-17 13:00:46 UTC
Archdaimon wrote:
Faulx wrote:
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If your number ain't just magic, that above is some serious helpful ****.
And here I was just going to answer "probe".

On a second note, if you want to live in a c2, but farm the c3's why not take a c4 with a static c3 instead?
There are far more of those unoccupied.

c4's are also ridiculously safe since no one bothers to invade them. (Hint, hint, someone SHOULD) Their downside is lack of direct k-space access.
Jack Miton
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#13 - 2012-07-17 21:30:10 UTC
If you do not have the numbers to take it by force you may as well stop looking.
i would be very surprised to find an empty C2 with C3 static.

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Svodola Darkfury
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#14 - 2012-07-19 05:40:01 UTC
Godfrey Silvarna wrote:
Archdaimon wrote:
Faulx wrote:
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If your number ain't just magic, that above is some serious helpful ****.
And here I was just going to answer "probe".

On a second note, if you want to live in a c2, but farm the c3's why not take a c4 with a static c3 instead?
There are far more of those unoccupied.

c4's are also ridiculously safe since no one bothers to invade them. (Hint, hint, someone SHOULD) Their downside is lack of direct k-space access.


It's the Logistics difficulty that keeps the towers safe. C5s and C6s at least have the CHANCE of random spawns or K162s to Low-sec/null-sec (and sometimes high-sec).

That and supposedly by the time you can do C4s you're pretty much ready for C5s so you do those instead... I rather enjoy C4s though.

Svo.

Director of Frozen Corpse Industries.

Tarunik Raqalth'Qui
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#15 - 2012-07-19 13:43:29 UTC
Svodola Darkfury wrote:
Godfrey Silvarna wrote:
Archdaimon wrote:
Faulx wrote:
!


If your number ain't just magic, that above is some serious helpful ****.
And here I was just going to answer "probe".

On a second note, if you want to live in a c2, but farm the c3's why not take a c4 with a static c3 instead?
There are far more of those unoccupied.

c4's are also ridiculously safe since no one bothers to invade them. (Hint, hint, someone SHOULD) Their downside is lack of direct k-space access.


It's the Logistics difficulty that keeps the towers safe. C5s and C6s at least have the CHANCE of random spawns or K162s to Low-sec/null-sec (and sometimes high-sec).

That and supposedly by the time you can do C4s you're pretty much ready for C5s so you do those instead... I rather enjoy C4s though.

Svo.

Best way to run C4s is to have a C2 with a static into C4 space; that lets you take advantage of the "space tumbleweeds" that abound out there (4/4 - 4/6 holes are almost utterly uninhabited, especially 4/4 as C4 chains lack the side-exits that C5 chains get)

As to beating dumb C4 dwellers over the head; yes, it is the logistics that make doing that awful hard. Besides, tower bashing can be rather boring. :P
Derath Ellecon
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#16 - 2012-07-19 18:23:40 UTC
Svodola Darkfury wrote:
That and supposedly by the time you can do C4s you're pretty much ready for C5s so you do those instead... I rather enjoy C4s though.

Svo.


I dunno if I agree with that. C4's can be handled easily with Tengu's But C5+ IMO really should have cap capable pilots to take advantage of both the cap escalation in sites as well as home defense. You can easily have a fleet of good Tengu pilots but that doesn't mean they are anywhere close to being able to fly a cap.
TomyLobo
U2EZ
#17 - 2012-07-19 20:04:38 UTC
I found one the other day with a static C3 and Highsec. It wasn't empty. Straight
QT McWhiskers
EdgeGamers
#18 - 2012-07-21 20:44:21 UTC
Get yourselves a nice set of orcas. (depending on your mass limits, you can use 1-4) POP em through your static until your find a nice hole that is either empty, or won't cost u much to attack/hire someone to attack for you. 2-3 bil will be needed.
Ayeson
State War Academy
Caldari State
#19 - 2012-07-22 03:27:10 UTC