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Afk mining - What exactly is there to do while mining?

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Dave stark
#161 - 2012-07-20 15:37:59 UTC  |  Edited by: Dave Stark
Gulboy wrote:
I started to make like 25-30M/hour, in a retriever. Also that's with tier 1 mining strips. If I ever get the skills for tier 2 arkonor crystals, I'll probably make double of that.


no you didn't.
a max skilled hulk pulls in 25m/hour unbonused on arkonor roughly, maybe a touch more with drones. so unless you had every mining bonus known to man (which meant you had a covetor capable pilot with you which would have been more isk/hr than boosting a retriever) then it's just flat out untrue.

you might have made that per hour in a wormhole in general. but you didn't earn that much mining arkonor in a retriever. wormhole ore isn't magically worth more.
Gulboy
Absolute Order
Absolute Honor
#162 - 2012-07-22 09:23:11 UTC
Dave stark wrote:
Gulboy wrote:
I started to make like 25-30M/hour, in a retriever. Also that's with tier 1 mining strips. If I ever get the skills for tier 2 arkonor crystals, I'll probably make double of that.


no you didn't.
a max skilled hulk pulls in 25m/hour unbonused on arkonor roughly, maybe a touch more with drones. so unless you had every mining bonus known to man (which meant you had a covetor capable pilot with you which would have been more isk/hr than boosting a retriever) then it's just flat out untrue.

you might have made that per hour in a wormhole in general. but you didn't earn that much mining arkonor in a retriever. wormhole ore isn't magically worth more.

Well I don't remember how much I've made in an hour, since I've never dared to mine that much continually. But I remember that when I sold my refined arkonor minerals, I made 28M, and I also know that I mined less than 2 hours, but more than 1.
Also to learn about highsec mining, I did mine some pyroxeres for an hour and it gave me something like 10M(cant remember correctly, may be wrong). But I'm definitely sure that wormhole ninjamining gets you at least twice, maybe thrice the amount I made from highsec mining.
Either the ore I've mined was worthless, or I sold my minerals for cheap. Either way, I believe I make more at wormholes.
Plus, you're forgetting the excitement side of it :) It's definitely more exciting and terrorizing to mine in a wormhole than at highsec.
Dave stark
#163 - 2012-07-22 10:10:11 UTC
Gulboy wrote:
Dave stark wrote:
Gulboy wrote:
I started to make like 25-30M/hour, in a retriever. Also that's with tier 1 mining strips. If I ever get the skills for tier 2 arkonor crystals, I'll probably make double of that.


no you didn't.
a max skilled hulk pulls in 25m/hour unbonused on arkonor roughly, maybe a touch more with drones. so unless you had every mining bonus known to man (which meant you had a covetor capable pilot with you which would have been more isk/hr than boosting a retriever) then it's just flat out untrue.

you might have made that per hour in a wormhole in general. but you didn't earn that much mining arkonor in a retriever. wormhole ore isn't magically worth more.

Well I don't remember how much I've made in an hour, since I've never dared to mine that much continually. But I remember that when I sold my refined arkonor minerals, I made 28M, and I also know that I mined less than 2 hours, but more than 1.
Also to learn about highsec mining, I did mine some pyroxeres for an hour and it gave me something like 10M(cant remember correctly, may be wrong). But I'm definitely sure that wormhole ninjamining gets you at least twice, maybe thrice the amount I made from highsec mining.
Either the ore I've mined was worthless, or I sold my minerals for cheap. Either way, I believe I make more at wormholes.
Plus, you're forgetting the excitement side of it :) It's definitely more exciting and terrorizing to mine in a wormhole than at highsec.


oh i'm not denying that you make more in a wormhole, i'm just saying that the maths doesn't add up as to how much more you make. 28m for 2hrs in a retriever sounds more accurate than in 1 hour.

also pyrox isn't that profitable to mine to begin with, that's why you're seeing such a huge gap between high sec and wormhole. you're comparing one of the less lucrative high sec ores to the most lucrative ore in the game.
Amenotep Polo
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#164 - 2012-07-22 10:22:15 UTC
Dave stark wrote:
Gulboy wrote:
Dave stark wrote:
Gulboy wrote:
I started to make like 25-30M/hour, in a retriever. Also that's with tier 1 mining strips. If I ever get the skills for tier 2 arkonor crystals, I'll probably make double of that.


no you didn't.
a max skilled hulk pulls in 25m/hour unbonused on arkonor roughly, maybe a touch more with drones. so unless you had every mining bonus known to man (which meant you had a covetor capable pilot with you which would have been more isk/hr than boosting a retriever) then it's just flat out untrue.

you might have made that per hour in a wormhole in general. but you didn't earn that much mining arkonor in a retriever. wormhole ore isn't magically worth more.

Well I don't remember how much I've made in an hour, since I've never dared to mine that much continually. But I remember that when I sold my refined arkonor minerals, I made 28M, and I also know that I mined less than 2 hours, but more than 1.
Also to learn about highsec mining, I did mine some pyroxeres for an hour and it gave me something like 10M(cant remember correctly, may be wrong). But I'm definitely sure that wormhole ninjamining gets you at least twice, maybe thrice the amount I made from highsec mining.
Either the ore I've mined was worthless, or I sold my minerals for cheap. Either way, I believe I make more at wormholes.
Plus, you're forgetting the excitement side of it :) It's definitely more exciting and terrorizing to mine in a wormhole than at highsec.


oh i'm not denying that you make more in a wormhole, i'm just saying that the maths doesn't add up as to how much more you make. 28m for 2hrs in a retriever sounds more accurate than in 1 hour.

also pyrox isn't that profitable to mine to begin with, that's why you're seeing such a huge gap between high sec and wormhole. you're comparing one of the less lucrative high sec ores to the most lucrative ore in the game.


this chart disagrees: http://ore.cerlestes.de/index.html#site:ore

Pyro is the second most profitable high sec ore, being scordite the first.
Dave stark
#165 - 2012-07-22 11:58:33 UTC
Amenotep Polo wrote:
Dave stark wrote:
Gulboy wrote:
Dave stark wrote:
Gulboy wrote:
I started to make like 25-30M/hour, in a retriever. Also that's with tier 1 mining strips. If I ever get the skills for tier 2 arkonor crystals, I'll probably make double of that.


no you didn't.
a max skilled hulk pulls in 25m/hour unbonused on arkonor roughly, maybe a touch more with drones. so unless you had every mining bonus known to man (which meant you had a covetor capable pilot with you which would have been more isk/hr than boosting a retriever) then it's just flat out untrue.

you might have made that per hour in a wormhole in general. but you didn't earn that much mining arkonor in a retriever. wormhole ore isn't magically worth more.

Well I don't remember how much I've made in an hour, since I've never dared to mine that much continually. But I remember that when I sold my refined arkonor minerals, I made 28M, and I also know that I mined less than 2 hours, but more than 1.
Also to learn about highsec mining, I did mine some pyroxeres for an hour and it gave me something like 10M(cant remember correctly, may be wrong). But I'm definitely sure that wormhole ninjamining gets you at least twice, maybe thrice the amount I made from highsec mining.
Either the ore I've mined was worthless, or I sold my minerals for cheap. Either way, I believe I make more at wormholes.
Plus, you're forgetting the excitement side of it :) It's definitely more exciting and terrorizing to mine in a wormhole than at highsec.


oh i'm not denying that you make more in a wormhole, i'm just saying that the maths doesn't add up as to how much more you make. 28m for 2hrs in a retriever sounds more accurate than in 1 hour.

also pyrox isn't that profitable to mine to begin with, that's why you're seeing such a huge gap between high sec and wormhole. you're comparing one of the less lucrative high sec ores to the most lucrative ore in the game.


this chart disagrees: http://ore.cerlestes.de/index.html#site:ore

Pyro is the second most profitable high sec ore, being scordite the first.


third, can you not even read your own sources?

hence you are comparing the 5th most lucrative ore, to the most lucrative ore (mercoxit excluded). the gap between arkonor and other ores is rather large in comparison to the difference between other ores.
Jorma Morkkis
State War Academy
Caldari State
#166 - 2012-07-22 12:07:51 UTC
Dave stark wrote:
hence you are comparing the 5th most lucrative ore


Pyro is 3rd. Kernite is 5th.
Dave stark
#167 - 2012-07-22 13:23:10 UTC
Jorma Morkkis wrote:
Dave stark wrote:
hence you are comparing the 5th most lucrative ore


Pyro is 3rd. Kernite is 5th.


no.
Jorma Morkkis
State War Academy
Caldari State
#168 - 2012-07-22 14:18:46 UTC
Dave stark wrote:
Jorma Morkkis wrote:
Dave stark wrote:
hence you are comparing the 5th most lucrative ore


Pyro is 3rd. Kernite is 5th.


no.


Mercoxit / null
Arkonor / null
Scordite / higsec (1st)
Bistot / null
Plagioclase / highsec (2nd)
Pyroxeres / highsec (3rd)
Veldspar / highsec (4th)
Hedbergite / lolsec
Hemorphite / lolsec
Jaspet / lolsec
Crokite / null
Kernite / highsec (5th)
...
Dave stark
#169 - 2012-07-22 15:53:48 UTC
Jorma Morkkis wrote:
Dave stark wrote:
Jorma Morkkis wrote:
Dave stark wrote:
hence you are comparing the 5th most lucrative ore


Pyro is 3rd. Kernite is 5th.


no.


Mercoxit / null
Arkonor / null
Scordite / higsec (1st)
Bistot / null
Plagioclase / highsec (2nd)
Pyroxeres / highsec (3rd)
Veldspar / highsec (4th)
Hedbergite / lolsec
Hemorphite / lolsec
Jaspet / lolsec
Crokite / null
Kernite / highsec (5th)
...

except i didn't specify [in high sec]

hence, no. read what i wrote. if i wanted to exclude other ores i'd have said so.
Gulboy
Absolute Order
Absolute Honor
#170 - 2012-07-23 14:51:23 UTC
Let's not turn this into a flame war, blaming each other for possible wrong data. My initial and second data may be wrong, so I intend to do an experimental research about this.
Will notify you when I get the results.
Robvor
Rainbow Dash Holdings
#171 - 2012-07-24 12:56:01 UTC
Dual monitors, all there is to it
Barbara Nichole
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#172 - 2012-07-24 22:28:25 UTC  |  Edited by: Barbara Nichole
Quote:
Decrease strip miners activation time and decrease hulk cargo hold;
Increase the amount of asteroids on a field decreasing the amount of ore they carry

Neither of these ideas is acceptable. First of all, there are plenty of other more lucrative activities that require no attention or keyboard presence at all.

Second, AFK does not mean botting. CCP allows and supports multi box play... reducing cycle time too much would make multi box play almost impossible to keep up with.

Third, I like to mine while I'm reading the forums, folding laundry, even vacuuming for a 3 minutes at a time. This is not against the EULA and in fact the only person that is hurt by my missing a cycle is myself.

Fourth, other interesting, more active forms of advanced mining are coming. Let's not destroy what we have because a few people are bored especially when new mining additions are already coming.

This is just another way to nerf high sec in favor of null sec... High sec play is just as valid as null sec... Frankly, after having done both for years I prefer the high sec for social relaxing play and null sec for intrigue... let’s not try to make both places the same or destroy one place so badly that we reduce the fun level of eve.

  - remove the cloaked from local; free intel is the real problem, not  "afk" cloaking -

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Sophia Trinidad
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#173 - 2012-07-29 00:54:38 UTC
I used to do it while reading a book, studying or watching TV. I really miss those days when I would sit there with a textbook and study for 10 minutes, take a break to retarget a roid and then study for another 10 minutes. Made a nice amount of isk during the week while I studied and then had fun with the isk on the weekend when I could actually play.
Armansky Corban
Doomheim
#174 - 2012-08-12 20:26:46 UTC  |  Edited by: Armansky Corban
IMO, you can do a lot of stuff in game while mining, and it is nice to mine when you like to keep real life stuff going on. Almost everyone I know in EVE has mined while cleaning the house, dealing with family issues, and other things which they finish and come back.

Mining can be very very dull sometimes (though it is true there is always something you can do). It is why a lot of players I know do not do it at all, but love to purchase ore and minerals on the market without mining. A lot of ore and minerals would not be there where mining not nice to mine and get real life stuff out of the way.

I mean, if they wanted to kick AFK people tht much, they should take away the autopilot and stop letting people auto pilot 30 jumps. Have the player be there the whole time jumping 30 gates. Or, people who have their ship sitting in station for more than 15-20 mins while also doing real life stuff. There are so many things to be AFK for in EVE it is insane. People will automate stuff no matter what to make their playing easier.

Hell, EVE is about playing how you like to play. Freedom in EVE is larger than other MMOs mainly in how you can do whatever the #$@% you want to do (as what the HodgeTwins say on YouTube). You pay a monthly subscription to EVE, so you should have the freedom to play the game how you want, as they advertise the game. How about instead of punishing people who take the time to even set up a solo mining op, they start closing accounts on players who participate on websites which sell ISK?

I have a life and I live a busy life at that. I work a full time job, I go to school full time, and I like do other stuff outside of the game. EVE Online allows me to keep up with life without becoming a person who sits at his/her computer 8 hours a day playing. I like that in a game.

This is just my two cents anyways. I will admit, I am with others. I like to be able to keep up with college, and real life stuff while playing EVE. It is the whole reason I play EVE. I can do whatever I want to do, and I will keep doing it. If I get banned from it, so be it, they do not need my money then if they take the universe tht is supposed to be mine away from me Sad
Attica
Indigo Corp
#175 - 2012-08-13 04:14:47 UTC
dual monitors+

Netflix=

awesomesauce

Pirate tears are yummier than carebear tears for they come from the deeper well of anguish.

Barbara Nichole
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#176 - 2012-08-13 05:43:13 UTC
talk to friends
do my PI
day trade
set up freighter jobs
fold laundry
investigate competition
read the forum...

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Sith1s Spectre
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#177 - 2012-08-14 02:35:44 UTC
Fapping

Resident forum troll and fashion consultant

Jorma Morkkis
State War Academy
Caldari State
#178 - 2012-08-14 17:56:04 UTC
- Minecraft
- Mining
- Modifying market orders
- Starting/finishing research/manufacturing jobs

Must be something I forgot... Oh, yeah. That one too.
Terraferma K10
Doomheim
#179 - 2012-08-15 09:29:34 UTC  |  Edited by: Terraferma K10
Play MTGO, make cupcakes and have sex with my neighbor's freshly 18yo daughter.

nah I'm just kidding,

I don't make cupcakes.
Aurelius Valentius
Valentius Corporation
Valentius Corporation Alliance
#180 - 2012-08-16 14:39:13 UTC
Ok, your and ego-centric moron... that said, the only thing I can say to fix your problem with EVE is to not mine, as you don't enjoy it and feel it's boring... unless your sitting zapping your groin with a car battery for fun (unlikey but never know these days) you should stick to your other EVE professions and leave mining alone...

It is a simply thing that the game's mechanic and activitied don't revolve around the people that choose to complain about something they don't do anyway... you want exciting interactive mining - go mine and put up a note in Crime & Punishment before hand stating your time and position and fit and enjoy all that interactive excitement... or make a game of it... decided to mine one cycle of ore from each system in a barge on a solo low-sec roam... excitement!

You may not have considered that other people may not share them mad desire of yours to taylor fit the game to your ends... where do these type of people come from?... sheeesh.