Science & Industry

Who ever said it was easy? Most things in life that are worth doing are hard.

"I don't want them to have the toy, but I'm too lazy to do anything about it" is not a reasonable position.


If your enemies can field 14,000 people united in one purpose at the same time, they've put in a lot of work to make it happen. Why should it be easy to take their stuff away if they're willing to get 14,000 people (the amount of people in a real military Division) working together at the same time, as you claim?

Last count there are 361k active subscriptions to EVE. The members of the CFC and the rest of OTEC account for some 40k of them (call it 60k, I cba to actually look it up).

That leaves 300 THOUSAND accounts for you to recruit from. That's some 85% of the population up for you to lead.

By the by, there have never been any fights where any side has had 14,000 people on the field as you claim. Like i said, your numbers are laughably wrong as always.

Because people aren't online 24/7. Neither are CFC/OTEC members.

If you're too lazy to take Tech, that's fine. You have every right not to bother. But you can't then claim that it's impossible. All of the current holders of Tech took it from somebody else. They all did this well after the Tech buff.

There are 360k Subs. PCU is like 40k. Ergo, people aren't online 24/7

If you're too lazy to take Tech, that's fine. You have every right not to bother. But you can't then claim that it's impossible. All of the current holders of Tech took it from somebody else. They all did this well after the Tech buff.

Prove that the average Eve player has 5 Subscriptions.


Look, a little tip if you're going to be moving the goalposts all the time. Try to get them somewhere where you can actually score.

I did. Unless the average Eve Player has 9 accounts, a PCU of 40k for 360k means some people are not online all the time (assuming that the PCU is also the minimum number of people online).

Looking at a chunk of time after DT, the number of people online is around 20k. If every person is online 24/7 as you claim, then the minimum CU count is the total number of people, the number of required average accounts is 18.

I said "It is not impossible to take Tech Moons" as evidenced by people taking Tech Moons as the NC (the previous Tech cartel) fell. Also, .-A-. took a Tech moon recently for a little bit.

I don't accept the premise that 300k Accounts (Accounts, not Character slots) are only Falcon and Research Alts.

So much discussion on unrelated things to this topic jeez; I mean this last page people just quoted each other and made discussions about that quote over and over. I'll just say my part and leave.
Being a moderate miner, I just rushed into a retriever when i decided I should mine, and left it at that. I tried mining in highsec, but found it too boring. Therefore I just participated in the mining OPs of my alliance and gave up solo mining on highsec.
I knew I coudln't handle lowsec and nullsec mining without having a backup battlecruiser/Cruiser to destroy the spawned rats. That let me to lead to another way: Wormholes.
The extreme edge of the hypothetical risk vs reward map, a gravimetric site in a wormhole contained ALL the ores in existence. After scanning down a wormhole in a scan ship, scanning down a grav site in it, getting into my rat cleaner ship(battlecruiser or strategic cruiser atleast) to clean the rats, I started mining arkonor. Doing this was so risky that I nearly always stayed paranoic of everything all the time. The experience of wormhole ninjamining is so exciting that you won't focus on doing anything else than to check your ship's safety every 10-15 seconds.
The best side of this? The rats don't ever respawn after you've cleared them, but thats not the best part. The best part was after I actually started mining, I started to make like 25-30M/hour, in a retriever. Also that's with tier 1 mining strips. If I ever get the skills for tier 2 arkonor crystals, I'll probably make double of that.
Its hard, I know, to find a suitable wormhole. But it's more fun and exciting than highsec mining everytime imo. Of course, highsec mining is best if you don't want to get into this hassle (like nearly ALL of my alliance).
IF you prefer the risk, then get into wormhole ninjamining. If you continually look at your screen while mining and take some precautions, you can even escape covert ops strategic cruisers. You just need to be a little cautious. After all, I make double the money of my mining retriever every hour.

Also; you can do gas mining in a wormhole too. I just did that and got 25M from haflf an hour of gas harvesting. I heard that it was just profitable in wormhole space though.

I also want to ask a question: How is being a carebear or not is defined? By choosing which side you are at at the risk vs reward map? If that's the case; I'm never going to be a carebear right?

Mining Solo in High Sec

First of all ditch the hulk its for group ops, If you want to use it corp up with security.

So either corped with your hulk or solo with a retriever follow below:

Step 1: Warp to belt start mining and align to a suitable station.

The following steps don't have to be done in this order you can mix it up to make it more interesting if you like.

Step 2: Click D Scan and watch for suspect ships

Step 3: Check Local for suspect players

Step 4: Check killboards of suspect players in battleclinic.

If in doubt about anything you find while performing steps 2-4 warp to station.

Step 5: see step 2

Step 6: see step 3

Step 7: see step 4

Step 8: Return to step 2.

Failure to follow these steps may result in you being ganked and losing your ship as you would deserve.

That should keep you busy.

Well, after mining for half an hour or so, I got my miner back to highsec, got into my hauler, got the ore (takes like 3 trips) and refined it at a station where i had good standings with. Its always risky but hey, you make so much money that way.
Actually, looking at the post in these forums and some other sites, I haven't found a wormhole ninjamining guide. If there's none, I'll make one to spread the love for wormholes and its adventures :) Hell, I'll make one anyway.

Now I have to learn how to make guides...