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Afk mining - What exactly is there to do while mining?
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Jorma Morkkis
State War Academy
Caldari State
#81 - 2012-07-19 03:01:12 UTC  |  Edited by: Jorma Morkkis
Pipa Porto wrote:
For what purpose do you manufacture? Your earlier comment about profit suggests that you do it for ISK.


What other uses there is for minerals/salvage?
Should I give it all to pirates?

We are talking about hundreds of millions of units of stuff.
Pipa Porto
#82 - 2012-07-19 03:07:30 UTC
Jorma Morkkis wrote:
Pipa Porto wrote:
For what purpose do you manufacture? Your earlier comment about profit suggests that you do it for ISK.


What other uses there is for minerals/salvage?
Should I give it all to pirates?

We are talking about hundreds of millions of units of stuff.


You can sell it.

What do you do with the manufactured finished product?

EvE: Everyone vs Everyone

-RubyPorto
Jorma Morkkis
State War Academy
Caldari State
#83 - 2012-07-19 03:09:55 UTC
Pipa Porto wrote:
What do you do with the manufactured finished product?


Keep everything in hangar?
Pipa Porto
#84 - 2012-07-19 03:14:04 UTC
Jorma Morkkis wrote:
Pipa Porto wrote:
What do you do with the manufactured finished product?


Keep everything in hangar?


Ok, then why do you care how fast your hangar fills up?

EvE: Everyone vs Everyone

-RubyPorto
Jorma Morkkis
State War Academy
Caldari State
#85 - 2012-07-19 03:16:43 UTC
Pipa Porto wrote:
Ok, then why do you care how fast your hangar fills up?


What I should do if I'm not allowed to sell?
Pipa Porto
#86 - 2012-07-19 03:17:22 UTC
Jorma Morkkis wrote:
Pipa Porto wrote:
Ok, then why do you care how fast your hangar fills up?


What I should do if I'm not allowed to sell?


Where did I say you're not allowed to sell it?

EvE: Everyone vs Everyone

-RubyPorto
Zyella Stormborn
Green Seekers
#87 - 2012-07-19 03:18:40 UTC
.... wow are you two on a strange spiral. o.0

There is a special Hell for people like that, Right next to child molestors, and people that talk in the theater. ~Firefly
Jorma Morkkis
State War Academy
Caldari State
#88 - 2012-07-19 03:21:54 UTC
Pipa Porto wrote:
Where did I say you're not allowed to sell it?


https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1653266#post1653266
Pipa Porto
#89 - 2012-07-19 03:28:28 UTC  |  Edited by: Pipa Porto
Jorma Morkkis wrote:
Pipa Porto wrote:
Where did I say you're not allowed to sell it?


https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1653266#post1653266


See the word "If" right there? That's the beginning of a suppositional phrase.

If you're not manufacturing for ISK, then it doesn't matter how fast you can gather materials.
If you're doing it for sale, and you're mining to collect the materials, you are, in fact, mining for ISK.


Jorma Morkkis wrote:
Again, I don't mine for ISK. I mine to get materials needed in MANUFACTURING.



Anyway, you keep assuming that my offering of alternatives means I'm saying you can't choose a different alternative.

EvE: Everyone vs Everyone

-RubyPorto
Jorma Morkkis
State War Academy
Caldari State
#90 - 2012-07-19 03:41:41 UTC
Pipa Porto wrote:
Still don't see anyone forcing you to use that Hulk.


That's like saying "I don't see anyone forcing you to use that Tengu" to mission runners. They keep using it because it's fastest.
Pipa Porto
#91 - 2012-07-19 03:50:45 UTC
Jorma Morkkis wrote:
Pipa Porto wrote:
Still don't see anyone forcing you to use that Hulk.


That's like saying "I don't see anyone forcing you to use that Tengu" to mission runners. They keep using it because it's fastest.


Nothing's forcing them to use a Tengu either. They're choosing to use it for increased income.

The Tengu has downsides as well. For instance, many active fit Tengus have such little EHP coming out of gate cloak that they can be one shotted by a Nado.

You claimed you didn't mine for ISK. That means you don't mine for your income.

If you don't mine for income, why do you care how fast you mine?

EvE: Everyone vs Everyone

-RubyPorto
Jorma Morkkis
State War Academy
Caldari State
#92 - 2012-07-19 04:03:23 UTC
Pipa Porto wrote:
If you don't mine for income, why do you care how fast you mine?


First you say hisec miners and mission runners just print isk and don't do anything creative. And it's obviously bad for game.
Then you say I should do that.

Try to decide...
Pipa Porto
#93 - 2012-07-19 04:15:05 UTC
Jorma Morkkis wrote:
Pipa Porto wrote:
If you don't mine for income, why do you care how fast you mine?


First you say hisec miners and mission runners just print isk and don't do anything creative. And it's obviously bad for game.
Then you say I should do that.

Try to decide...


Where did I say that?

I've said that it would be bad if HS became safe and people could make an income without risk. Luckily there are some risks (manageable as they are).

Anyway, this distracts from my question, who is forcing you to fly a Hulk? And, if (as you claim) you're not mining for an income, why does it matter how fast you collect materials?

EvE: Everyone vs Everyone

-RubyPorto
Jorma Morkkis
State War Academy
Caldari State
#94 - 2012-07-19 04:22:59 UTC
Pipa Porto wrote:
Where did I say that?


http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/you

Pipa Porto wrote:
Anyway, this distracts from my question, who is forcing you to fly a Hulk? And, if (as you claim) you're not mining for an income, why does it matter how fast you collect materials?


Show me 30k EHP Procurer.
Pipa Porto
#95 - 2012-07-19 04:36:31 UTC
Jorma Morkkis wrote:
Pipa Porto wrote:
Where did I say that?


http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/you


Yes, me. Where did I say:
Jorma Morkkis wrote:

First you say hisec miners and mission runners just print isk and don't do anything creative. And it's obviously bad for game.


Quote:

Pipa Porto wrote:
Anyway, this distracts from my question, who is forcing you to fly a Hulk? And, if (as you claim) you're not mining for an income, why does it matter how fast you collect materials?


Show me 30k EHP Procurer.


How is the tank of a Procurer relevant in any way? How is anyone forcing you to mine in a Hulk?

EvE: Everyone vs Everyone

-RubyPorto
Jorma Morkkis
State War Academy
Caldari State
#96 - 2012-07-19 04:39:38 UTC
Pipa Porto wrote:
How is the tank of a Procurer relevant in any way? How is anyone forcing you to mine in a Hulk?


I don't want to use ship with paper thin tank for mining. So, where's that 30k EHP Procurer?
Pipa Porto
#97 - 2012-07-19 04:52:20 UTC
Jorma Morkkis wrote:
Pipa Porto wrote:
How is the tank of a Procurer relevant in any way? How is anyone forcing you to mine in a Hulk?


I don't want to use ship with paper thin tank for mining. So, where's that 30k EHP Procurer?


You don't want to use a ship with a paper thin tank. Thats fine. How does it follow that the Procurer has to be the best solution to that problem?

You want a Tanky mining ship? Here's a mining ship with a nice, beefy tank:

[Rokh, Mining Rokh]

Mining Laser Upgrade II
Mining Laser Upgrade II
Mining Laser Upgrade II
Mining Laser Upgrade II
Co-Processor II

Large Azeotropic Ward Salubrity I
Large Azeotropic Ward Salubrity I
Limited Adaptive Invulnerability Field I
Limited 'Anointed' EM Ward Field
Upgraded Thermic Dissipation Amplifier I
[Empty Med slot]

Modulated Deep Core Miner II, Veldspar Mining Crystal II
Modulated Deep Core Miner II, Veldspar Mining Crystal II
Modulated Deep Core Miner II, Veldspar Mining Crystal II
Modulated Deep Core Miner II, Veldspar Mining Crystal II
Modulated Deep Core Miner II, Veldspar Mining Crystal II
Modulated Deep Core Miner II, Veldspar Mining Crystal II
Modulated Deep Core Miner II, Veldspar Mining Crystal II
Modulated Deep Core Miner II, Veldspar Mining Crystal II

Large Processor Overclocking Unit I
Large Processor Overclocking Unit I
Large Core Defense Field Extender I

Mining Drone II x5


Now, how is anyone forcing you to mine in a Hulk?

EvE: Everyone vs Everyone

-RubyPorto
Jorma Morkkis
State War Academy
Caldari State
#98 - 2012-07-19 05:01:23 UTC
Pipa Porto wrote:
You want a Tanky mining ship? Here's a mining ship with a nice, beefy tank:


Try to mine with three of those at least 3 hours and then tell us how did it go.
Pipa Porto
#99 - 2012-07-19 05:04:31 UTC  |  Edited by: Pipa Porto
Jorma Morkkis wrote:
Pipa Porto wrote:
You want a Tanky mining ship? Here's a mining ship with a nice, beefy tank:


Try to mine with three of those at least 3 hours and then tell us how did it go.


I'm giving you options. It fulfills your wish to have a tanky mining ship. (By the way, Mining Barges didn't exist for the first few years of EVE's existence, but people still mined)

Who is forcing you to mine? And is that the same person forcing you to use a Hulk?

You seem to be confusing your free choice to mine with someone forcing you to mine.

EvE: Everyone vs Everyone

-RubyPorto
Jorma Morkkis
State War Academy
Caldari State
#100 - 2012-07-19 05:07:50 UTC
Pipa Porto wrote:
Who is forcing you to mine? And is that the same person forcing you to use a Hulk?

You seem to be confusing your free choice to mine with someone forcing you to do so.


Have you ever tried to build a freighter by using only reprocessed mission loot?
Do you know how many units of tritanium you need to build a freighter?