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Afk mining - What exactly is there to do while mining?
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Infinite Force
#41 - 2012-07-17 15:10:46 UTC
Zifrian wrote:
The funny thing about all this is that you don't need to read the threads whining about afk miners or reply to any of them. Ignoring people who complain is probably one of my favorite things to try to do now since that's pretty much all the internet is for these days. If someone annoys you by whining, annoy them back by not listening. I haven't yet seen a thread/post/comment where someone replied to someone whining and that person changed their mind. So really what's the point?

Just ignore them. Maybe they'll catch on that all they are doing is complaining and eventually shut up.


The problem, as you've most likely seen in real life too, is "the squeeky wheel gets the grease". Basically, those who whine are listened to, those who don't speak up are assumed to not care or agree with the whiner.

So, people still need to respond to these whine threads if for no other reason than to say "no, go away, bad idea, stop whining", etc..

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Ditra Vorthran
Caldari Imports and Exports
#42 - 2012-07-17 20:52:32 UTC
Really there needs to be a distinction:

1. AFK – away from keyboard. Actually getting up from the keyboard and doing something else like laundry, or cleaning the bathroom
2. AFE – away from EvE. Being alt-tabbed out of EvE, yet still at the computer, and probably (if you’re smart) having EvE somewhere visible on your screen

AFE is the preferable scenario between the two. When I mine, I’m usually AFE a lot, but then I mine in low sec nowadays, so I can’t really be AFK.

It’s a tough balancing act. On the one hand, many miners like to mine as a break from other, more attention grabbing aspects of EvE, yet at the same time, the ‘land on grid, lock up ore/ice and walk away for 10-15 minutes’ isn’t really a great mechanic. Mining should be more engaging and interesting.

"Miners mine so I don't have to." ~Metal Icarus
Dave stark
#43 - 2012-07-17 22:38:36 UTC
Ditra Vorthran wrote:
Mining should be more engaging and interesting.


why? it's fine as it is.
Ditra Vorthran
Caldari Imports and Exports
#44 - 2012-07-17 22:53:53 UTC
Dave stark wrote:
Ditra Vorthran wrote:
Mining should be more engaging and interesting.


why? it's fine as it is.


Well, you and I will have to agree to disagree, then. Smile

"Miners mine so I don't have to." ~Metal Icarus
Zyella Stormborn
Green Seekers
#45 - 2012-07-17 23:06:37 UTC
Ditra Vorthran wrote:
Really there needs to be a distinction:

1. AFK – away from keyboard. Actually getting up from the keyboard and doing something else like laundry, or cleaning the bathroom
2. AFE – away from EvE. Being alt-tabbed out of EvE, yet still at the computer, and probably (if you’re smart) having EvE somewhere visible on your screen

AFE is the preferable scenario between the two. When I mine, I’m usually AFE a lot, but then I mine in low sec nowadays, so I can’t really be AFK.

It’s a tough balancing act. On the one hand, many miners like to mine as a break from other, more attention grabbing aspects of EvE, yet at the same time, the ‘land on grid, lock up ore/ice and walk away for 10-15 minutes’ isn’t really a great mechanic. Mining should be more engaging and interesting.



AFE .... I like that. If you don't mind, I think I'll adopt that one when I call off in chat on mining ops. ;)

There is a special Hell for people like that, Right next to child molestors, and people that talk in the theater. ~Firefly
Mara Rinn
Cosmic Goo Convertor
#46 - 2012-07-18 02:55:42 UTC
Procurement + Visibility = something to do while mining.

Supply Chain Management = something to do while mining.

Scientific Networking = something to do while mining.

Help channel = something to do while mining.

Though it could also be stated that mining is the minimal productive task that can be done in background while attending to your market orders, manufacturing jobs, invention runs and new players.

Mining doesn't need to be changed. Only the attitude of people who find mining "boring" needs to be changed. As my mother told me: only boring people get bored.

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Jorma Morkkis
State War Academy
Caldari State
#47 - 2012-07-18 05:55:08 UTC  |  Edited by: Jorma Morkkis
Invention would be good way to use time while mining but there's a few problems:

- You already have max number of lab jobs in progress
- It takes weeks to get copies (queues)
- All your BPOs are in 40+ day queues for ME researching
Pipa Porto
#48 - 2012-07-18 07:16:34 UTC
Jorma Morkkis wrote:
Invention would be good way to use time while mining but there's a few problems:

- You already have max number of lab jobs in progress
- It takes weeks to get copies (queues)
- All your BPOs are in 40+ day queues for ME researching


Prepare better. Buy Copies or run a POS.

@OP: The answer to what you should be doing while mining is,

Keep your 300m Isk investment alive.

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Jorma Morkkis
State War Academy
Caldari State
#49 - 2012-07-18 07:55:34 UTC
Pipa Porto wrote:
run a POS


Good way to lose many BPOs.
Pipa Porto
#50 - 2012-07-18 08:02:51 UTC
Jorma Morkkis wrote:
Pipa Porto wrote:
run a POS


Good way to lose many BPOs.


Oh, my god. You're not trolling, you just really are that clueless.

The BPOs never touch the POS.

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Herr Hammer Draken
#51 - 2012-07-18 08:48:46 UTC
I read post like this to amuse myself while mining. Thank You for entertainment one and all.

Herr Hammer Draken "The Amarr Prophet"
Jorma Morkkis
State War Academy
Caldari State
#52 - 2012-07-18 08:49:57 UTC
Pipa Porto wrote:
Oh, my god. You're not trolling, you just really are that clueless.

The BPOs never touch the POS.


Then I have to use NPC stations with 40+ day queues.
Herr Hammer Draken
#53 - 2012-07-18 08:57:21 UTC
Jorma Morkkis wrote:
Pipa Porto wrote:
Oh, my god. You're not trolling, you just really are that clueless.

The BPOs never touch the POS.


Then I have to use NPC stations with 40+ day queues.


Do you realize you just made your POS a target?

Herr Hammer Draken "The Amarr Prophet"
Jorma Morkkis
State War Academy
Caldari State
#54 - 2012-07-18 09:12:03 UTC
Herr Hammer Draken wrote:
Do you realize you just made your POS a target?


That's why I don't have plans for one. Would be way too easy income for 300 torp Ravens.
Bugsy VanHalen
Society of lost Souls
#55 - 2012-07-18 15:27:06 UTC
Jorma Morkkis wrote:
Pipa Porto wrote:
Oh, my god. You're not trolling, you just really are that clueless.

The BPOs never touch the POS.


Then I have to use NPC stations with 40+ day queues.


Seriously??
Scientific networking I believe it is, allows you to keep your BPO's in a corp hanger in a station while performing research on them at a POS in the same system. No BPO's in the POS=No risk

On the matter of mining being boring. Multi boxing 3 hulks and an orca across 4 accounts is much less boring and way higher income than solo mining in a lone HULK.
Jorma Morkkis
State War Academy
Caldari State
#56 - 2012-07-18 16:15:56 UTC
Bugsy VanHalen wrote:
Seriously??
Scientific networking I believe it is, allows you to keep your BPO's in a corp hanger in a station while performing research on them at a POS in the same system. No BPO's in the POS=No risk


Doesn't say anything about that.

"Skill at running research operations remotely. Each level increases the distance at which research projects can be started. Level 1 allows for range within the same solar system, Level 2 extends that range to systems within 5 jumps, and each subsequent level then doubles it. Level 5 allows for full regional range."
Infinite Force
#57 - 2012-07-18 16:55:51 UTC
Jorma Morkkis wrote:
Bugsy VanHalen wrote:
Seriously??
Scientific networking I believe it is, allows you to keep your BPO's in a corp hanger in a station while performing research on them at a POS in the same system. No BPO's in the POS=No risk


Doesn't say anything about that.

"Skill at running research operations remotely. Each level increases the distance at which research projects can be started. Level 1 allows for range within the same solar system, Level 2 extends that range to systems within 5 jumps, and each subsequent level then doubles it. Level 5 allows for full regional range."


That is the skill you want. Train it up to level 2 or 3 - very quick and you can remotely do your research from several jumps away.

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Pipa Porto
#58 - 2012-07-18 17:43:04 UTC
Jorma Morkkis wrote:
Pipa Porto wrote:
Oh, my god. You're not trolling, you just really are that clueless.

The BPOs never touch the POS.


Then I have to use NPC stations with 40+ day queues.


No, you most certainly don't.

Google one of the many, many guides to running a research POS and actually read it, before assuming that everyone else is stupid to run a POS.

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Flurk Hellbron
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#59 - 2012-07-18 18:12:48 UTC
Amenotep Polo wrote:
People seem to not have understood the point of my post.

I posted this because i keep reading people complaining about afk mining, and honestly i don't see what all the fuss is about.

I love mining. It's a profitable activity and it alows me to do other stuff while i play. What i don't seem to get though is what all the fuss is about, considering afk mining.

You, sir, mean them complain about BOTS, not people actually AFK mining.
Equus
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#60 - 2012-07-18 22:26:49 UTC
Corvus Borealis wrote:
PVP in fleet is totally same than mining in fleet.

You simply just press JUMP and F1 at times and that´s it.

FC warps you around and sometimes you will have to enable your point.

And when you starting thinking about it, EVE is pretty boring game, but it looks pretty.


You really don't PvP that much do you? Or if you do I can say you're doing it wrong.