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Afk mining - What exactly is there to do while mining?
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Amenotep Polo
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#1 - 2012-07-16 12:17:02 UTC  |  Edited by: Amenotep Polo
First thing, what is there really to do in high sec when you're not the social type and have to mine?

It takes roughly 12 minutes to fill the hulk in which you have to change asteroids one time, two tops. Drones will make sure you get protected and ship spinning will only entertain you for a couple of minutes.

There really is nothing quite as boring as mining. And the way i see it, there really exists no other option other than afk mining.

The people that complain at afk miners never mined in their lives, and, as such, should shut up and go do whatever it is they do.

If it wasn't for a main character i wouldn't have any fun in this game. Yes. Because mining isn't fun! And this is a game, thus we're supposed to have fun. Missioning/pvping/exploring with my main and mining with the alt char would be the way to go.

This being said it's logical to conclude that afk mining problem isn't in the afk miners side, it's on CCP side for not giving them enough interaction with the game in that activity.

Now there is a couple of ways out of the top of my head for this problem to go away:

  • Decrease strip miners activation time and decrease hulk cargohold;
  • Increase the ammount of asteroids on a field decreasing the ammount of ore they carry


While this isn't solved please stop complaining about afk mining.
Aeryn Banks
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#2 - 2012-07-16 12:51:15 UTC
Good day!

I have a miner alt and a hauler alt, so just sharing what I would do during a mining night. I would:

1) Check market for any bargains (mods or ships)

2) Check contracts for any bargains or just to giggle at the numerous scams

3) Troll the Ships / Mining / Missions channel

4) Strike up conversation in the Corp channel

5) Drool at that T3 strategic cruiser that I can't fly... yet

6) Watch Local and inspect random people for funny bios

7) Open YouTube in the in-game browser and watch anything that not Justin Bieber-related
Amenotep Polo
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#3 - 2012-07-16 12:56:14 UTC
Aeryn Banks wrote:
Good day!

I have a miner alt and a hauler alt, so just sharing what I would do during a mining night. I would:

1) Check market for any bargains (mods or ships)

2) Check contracts for any bargains or just to giggle at the numerous scams

3) Troll the Ships / Mining / Missions channel

4) Strike up conversation in the Corp channel

5) Drool at that T3 strategic cruiser that I can't fly... yet

6) Watch Local and inspect random people for funny bios

7) Open YouTube in the in-game browser and watch anything that not Justin Bieber-related


That's not really playing is it?

Is there any real diference between looking at contracts or looking at a movie?

Is watching youtube ingame any different from watching youtube offgame?
Dave stark
#4 - 2012-07-16 12:56:57 UTC
get bonuses, that cycle time decrease really does make a difference.

trust me it's harder to rub one out during a miner cycle when you've got mining bonuses.
Aeryn Banks
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#5 - 2012-07-16 13:30:54 UTC
Well, you did ask what else there is to do in high sec while mining Ugh

But honestly, you shouldn't AFK mine no matter how boring you find it (and if you do find it boring, then maybe mining is just for you). There are threats to high sec miners everywhere these days and to AFK mine is to surrender to these threats willingly.

If you're looking for something more engaging to do (I.e, playing the game), run missions, do some exploring, join FW. There are always other choices to make.
Amenotep Polo
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#6 - 2012-07-16 13:38:07 UTC
Aeryn Banks wrote:
Well, you did ask what else there is to do in high sec while mining Ugh

But honestly, you shouldn't AFK mine no matter how boring you find it (and if you do find it boring, then maybe mining is just for you). There are threats to high sec miners everywhere these days and to AFK mine is to surrender to these threats willingly.

If you're looking for something more engaging to do (I.e, playing the game), run missions, do some exploring, join FW. There are always other choices to make.


Disagree.

What threats would these be?

Rats? Mine with your drones out and you're good. Gankers? Get your hulk decently tanked and unless they come in a group they'll have huge losses/won't do it.

What else is more? The kraken? Chtulu? Boogie man?

It's not that i find mining boring, that would be my opinion and thus irrelevant to the masses. I'm stating a fact: mining consists on spending 12 minutes looking at the screen doing nothing, obviously there will be afk miners.
Zifrian
The Frog Pond
Ribbit.
#7 - 2012-07-16 13:59:04 UTC
Who said you had to mine? If you don't like it don't do it?

I choose to mine when I don't feel like doing anything difficult and I'll read a book, watch a movie in my laptop, or iron my shirts for work.

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Amenotep Polo
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#8 - 2012-07-16 14:05:07 UTC
Zifrian wrote:
Who said you had to mine? If you don't like it don't do it?

I choose to mine when I don't feel like doing anything difficult and I'll read a book, watch a movie in my laptop, or iron my shirts for work.


Thats the very definition of afk mining.
Dave stark
#9 - 2012-07-16 14:15:51 UTC
Amenotep Polo wrote:
Zifrian wrote:
Who said you had to mine? If you don't like it don't do it?

I choose to mine when I don't feel like doing anything difficult and I'll read a book, watch a movie in my laptop, or iron my shirts for work.


Thats the very definition of afk mining.



no, that's the defenition of mining.

the defenition of afk mining is starting your laser cycles and taking the dog for a walk. i mine a lot hence why i also post on here a lot. as soon as i see a new name in local i'm back in game and checking it out... there really is nothing to do until you need to drag ore to your jetcan especially when unbonused

however if it's taking 12 mins to do that it means you have A) terribad skills and mining really isn't worth your time. or B) you're fitted for cargo and you're asking to be ganked as all cargo mods reduce ehp whether it be armour hp or hull hp.
Amenotep Polo
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#10 - 2012-07-16 14:22:44 UTC  |  Edited by: Amenotep Polo
Dave stark wrote:
Amenotep Polo wrote:
Zifrian wrote:
Who said you had to mine? If you don't like it don't do it?

I choose to mine when I don't feel like doing anything difficult and I'll read a book, watch a movie in my laptop, or iron my shirts for work.


Thats the very definition of afk mining.



no, that's the defenition of mining.

the defenition of afk mining is starting your laser cycles and taking the dog for a walk. i mine a lot hence why i also post on here a lot. as soon as i see a new name in local i'm back in game and checking it out... there really is nothing to do until you need to drag ore to your jetcan especially when unbonused

however if it's taking 12 mins to do that it means you have A) terribad skills and mining really isn't worth your time. or B) you're fitted for cargo and you're asking to be ganked as all cargo mods reduce ehp whether it be armour hp or hull hp.


First off there are more dangers in jet mining than there is in having a cargo fitted hulk;

What is so different between going out with your dog for a walk and alt tabbing to watch a movie?

The main problem remains, you're interacting with something else other than the game. In its essence, it's still afk mining.
Dave stark
#11 - 2012-07-16 14:29:12 UTC
Amenotep Polo wrote:
Dave stark wrote:
Amenotep Polo wrote:
Zifrian wrote:
Who said you had to mine? If you don't like it don't do it?

I choose to mine when I don't feel like doing anything difficult and I'll read a book, watch a movie in my laptop, or iron my shirts for work.


Thats the very definition of afk mining.



no, that's the defenition of mining.

the defenition of afk mining is starting your laser cycles and taking the dog for a walk. i mine a lot hence why i also post on here a lot. as soon as i see a new name in local i'm back in game and checking it out... there really is nothing to do until you need to drag ore to your jetcan especially when unbonused

however if it's taking 12 mins to do that it means you have A) terribad skills and mining really isn't worth your time. or B) you're fitted for cargo and you're asking to be ganked as all cargo mods reduce ehp whether it be armour hp or hull hp.


First off there are more dangers in jet mining than there is in having a cargo fitted hulk;

What is so different between going out with your dog for a walk and alt tabbing to watch a movie?

The main problem remains, you're interacting with something else other than the game. In its essence, it's still afk mining.


no, losing a jetcan containing 5m isk of veldspar is not a bigger risk than losing a hulk worth in the region of 300m.
not to mention constant warping to and fro the station is crippling your isk/hour.

the difference is this; i'm still watching eve. i'm still playing the game. as i said when i tab out of eve i'm still watching local (you don't have to have every window set to full screen, i mean as i'm typing this i'm still glancing at local, just like you glance in the car mirrors as you're driving.)
when you take the dog for a walk you're not even remotely near the pc and you are indeed, afk [which means away from keyboard, clue is in the name]

as i said, i'm still glancing at local hence i'm still interacting with the game. also i'm still at the computer so i'm not afk.
Amenotep Polo
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#12 - 2012-07-16 14:35:21 UTC
Dave stark wrote:
Amenotep Polo wrote:
Dave stark wrote:
Amenotep Polo wrote:
Zifrian wrote:
Who said you had to mine? If you don't like it don't do it?

I choose to mine when I don't feel like doing anything difficult and I'll read a book, watch a movie in my laptop, or iron my shirts for work.


Thats the very definition of afk mining.



no, that's the defenition of mining.

the defenition of afk mining is starting your laser cycles and taking the dog for a walk. i mine a lot hence why i also post on here a lot. as soon as i see a new name in local i'm back in game and checking it out... there really is nothing to do until you need to drag ore to your jetcan especially when unbonused

however if it's taking 12 mins to do that it means you have A) terribad skills and mining really isn't worth your time. or B) you're fitted for cargo and you're asking to be ganked as all cargo mods reduce ehp whether it be armour hp or hull hp.


First off there are more dangers in jet mining than there is in having a cargo fitted hulk;

What is so different between going out with your dog for a walk and alt tabbing to watch a movie?

The main problem remains, you're interacting with something else other than the game. In its essence, it's still afk mining.


no, losing a jetcan containing 5m isk of veldspar is not a bigger risk than losing a hulk worth in the region of 300m.
not to mention constant warping to and fro the station is crippling your isk/hour.

the difference is this; i'm still watching eve. i'm still playing the game. as i said when i tab out of eve i'm still watching local (you don't have to have every window set to full screen, i mean as i'm typing this i'm still glancing at local, just like you glance in the car mirrors as you're driving.)
when you take the dog for a walk you're not even remotely near the pc and you are indeed, afk [which means away from keyboard, clue is in the name]

as i said, i'm still glancing at local hence i'm still interacting with the game. also i'm still at the computer so i'm not afk.


It's true that the outcome is not as bad, but it's not really losing 5m, it's losing 20m + and will happen so much more often than your 200m hulk.

And it doesn't really matter if you're not there to see local or whatever. The base problem is that there is nothing to do, and, you don't have to be there.
P3po
Perkone
Caldari State
#13 - 2012-07-16 14:39:54 UTC
There is lots of things in EVE which you can do while watching movie, reading book, reading other web pages etc. .... and i like it that way. I like the fact that i can make ISK and dont have to use whole brain capacity to play the game, but can talk with people around me, can read news, etc. etc. etc.
Amenotep Polo
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#14 - 2012-07-16 14:41:54 UTC
P3po wrote:
There is lots of things in EVE which you can do while watching movie, reading book, reading other web pages etc. .... and i like it that way. I like the fact that i can make ISK and dont have to use whole brain capacity to play the game, but can talk with people around me, can read news, etc. etc. etc.


Yes. Me too, i like the fact that i watched 10 seasons of stargate Sg - 1, 10 seasons of the x-files, 16 seasons of topgear, etc.

I'm just trying to prove here that the afk mining "problem" isn't really a problem, it's just how the game mechanics works.
Dave stark
#15 - 2012-07-16 14:44:36 UTC
Amenotep Polo wrote:
It's true that the outcome is not as bad, but it's not really losing 5m, it's losing 20m + and will happen so much more often than your 200m hulk.

And it doesn't really matter if you're not there to see local or whatever. The base problem is that there is nothing to do, and, you don't have to be there.


i purchased my hulk a long time ago, for 130m isk, that will give you an indication of how long ago it was. i've been a miner since i started. between then and now i've lost less isk from can flipping than i did from the purchase of my hulk. can flipping is rare, even more so when there's more profit to be had by ganking you instead of playing games with jetcans.

the same can be said about ratting in a drone boat, deploy drones, go afk, come back and see the bounty ticks. i don't see your point, really. it's not interactive because you choose not to make it interactive.
Amera Khan
Regiment Of Naga Association
OnlyFleets.
#16 - 2012-07-16 14:47:06 UTC
Shocked Shut up nerds!!!!!
Rengerel en Distel
#17 - 2012-07-16 14:52:10 UTC
Most things in eve don't require a lot of attention, that's why most of the arguments come down to doing it with friends. Most industrial corps run mining ops because solo mining is boring, and atleast while you're out with your corp, you're chatting, etc. I don't think they need to find ways to make mining more entertaining, they need to find ways of getting more people in the correct corp.

With the increase in shiptoasting, the Report timer needs to be shortened.
Zifrian
The Frog Pond
Ribbit.
#18 - 2012-07-16 15:04:42 UTC
Amenotep Polo wrote:
Zifrian wrote:
Who said you had to mine? If you don't like it don't do it?

I choose to mine when I don't feel like doing anything difficult and I'll read a book, watch a movie in my laptop, or iron my shirts for work.


Thats the very definition of afk mining.


I'm still at my keyboard therefore it is not afk.

What's the point of your thread anyway? You just looking for a place to complain about something?

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shar'ra matcevsovski
Doomheim
#19 - 2012-07-16 15:10:59 UTC
life is too short to waste your time for finding something to waste your time with, during your wasting your time (mining)

shar'ra phone home
Zyella Stormborn
Green Seekers
#20 - 2012-07-16 15:34:24 UTC
Amenotep Polo wrote:
First thing, what is there really to do in high sec when you're not the social type and have to mine?

It takes roughly 12 minutes to fill the hulk in which you have to change asteroids one time, two tops. Drones will make sure you get protected and ship spinning will only entertain you for a couple of minutes.

There really is nothing quite as boring as mining. And the way i see it, there really exists no other option other than afk mining.

The people that complain at afk miners never mined in their lives, and, as such, should shut up and go do whatever it is they do.

If it wasn't for a main character i wouldn't have any fun in this game. Yes. Because mining isn't fun! And this is a game, thus we're supposed to have fun. Missioning/pvping/exploring with my main and mining with the alt char would be the way to go.

This being said it's logical to conclude that afk mining problem isn't in the afk miners side, it's on CCP side for not giving them enough interaction with the game in that activity.

Now there is a couple of ways out of the top of my head for this problem to go away:

  • Decrease strip miners activation time and decrease hulk cargohold;
  • Increase the ammount of asteroids on a field decreasing the ammount of ore they carry


While this isn't solved please stop complaining about afk mining.


You confuse me there a bit. You're not having fun... in a game.. yet you keep doing it. If you are not enjoying it, don't do it! Rat, mission, explore, pvp, and buy your minerals. Mining is the slowest profit profession in the game.

There are many (including me) that actually ENJOY mining. It's relaxing, and gives me time to sit back and think about the day while admiring space around me. I am a police officer, and I have a wife and kids at home, so I get plenty of fast paced IRL. While I enjoy and am slowly getting into pvp a bit, I (and im sure many others) like the slower pace of mining, researching, manufacturing, etc., not to mention it lets us hop away from the keyboard for a few seconds if we need to (kid with their hands on the poor cat again).

The thing about this game that keeps bringing me back whenever I have to leave for a bit is the fact that there is something for everyone.
Instead of the big thread about being bored with a part of it and wanting it more action packed, go do something else more fun! Cool

There is a special Hell for people like that, Right next to child molestors, and people that talk in the theater. ~Firefly
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