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Dan Carter Murray
#81 - 2012-07-17 17:58:06 UTC
Major Killz wrote:
Nulli's blob only works versus other blobs. They fail when it comes to small or medium gang warfare and have been spanked in their own space many times because of this. It's nothing new. The same has been done to PL. If you have a large group of pilots commited to destroying ships in your area that have no interest in facing you head to head. You will have massive losses on a continuous basis.

Not to mention. There are entities in low security space that are VERY POWERFUL in thier own right and can engage and smash null sec alliances effectively and do often.

Any large alliance that is worth their salt knows the limitations of being large. Most pilots are sheep, terrible and need to be lead. You cannot blob your way to defeating guerilla style warfare. Which was developed to engage larger entities with limited units and resources.

Nulli will be effective when it comes to hitting bunkers though. If they get to that point @ all.

If you could have an alliance of pilots experienced in guerilla/skirmish warfare @ around 400 - 700 pilots strong. That's something different.

Then again. Nulli could just start basing in one system and camp it untill they flip it and cont to do the same untill they get a whole constellation. Either way. Its something they have to commit to and not half or quarter @ss like Soco did in Delve (drop super capitals or go home). Go in b@lls deep or leave TBH...


- end of transmission



flipping systems 1 by 1 isn't a good idea. at all.

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Dan Carter Murray
#82 - 2012-07-17 18:01:25 UTC  |  Edited by: Dan Carter Murray
Hidden Snake wrote:
this is the darkest days of FW .... nullsec bears rolling over FW just to cashcow it and roll away (and band of alts swapping sides based on T5 level of needs) ... Hans can u finaly resign? X



so you think nulli will roll over FW? scroll back and check the pics based on actual events regarding nullbears coming to try pwning FW players.

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Milton Middleson
Rifterlings
#83 - 2012-07-17 18:02:13 UTC
Loko Morice wrote:
-words-


Beat your chest a little harder. I think you still might have a few ribs unbroken.

Sov warfare is not Faction warfare, and the tactics that are effective in one context will be worthless in another. And your personal anecdotes are worthless.

The guerilla warfare metaphor is flawed, but it works well enough. The real problem here seems to be that you have a rather facile understanding of guerilla warfare.

And in what world is an ambush a) at all like a gate camp (which is more akin to occupying a transport bottleneck) and b) difficult? Many of the fights I've had in lowsec could be described as an ambush. A high mobility gang lures in a target or intercepts them somewhere along their route, kills them, and withdraws before anyone can come to help. We just call them ganks instead of ambushes because we're gamers, not tryhard wannabe-soldiers.
Dan Carter Murray
#84 - 2012-07-17 18:03:53 UTC
AndromacheDarkstar wrote:
Deen Wispa wrote:
NA will realize what Fweddit and everyone else already knows. The war is "won" with afk plexers and farming alts. Once they realize it's not even won by fleet battles, they'll leave.



I have to disagree with that, the war isnt won by farmers, it was won (only in terms of space held) becasue amarr guys couldnt be arsed to go out and plex that much as the rewards for doing so arnt actually that great, the war in terms of fights and fun is defiantely not over. Still allot of fights to be had.

If we had a group that could be bothered to take back space by plexing all day then we could do it but with the way the system works at the moment its not really worth spending all that time plexing for such awfull LP sotre rewards. Im looking forward to nulli joining, should be awesome


I recall a certain someone in militia going down to metro avenod area and plexing for a week straight only to have a certain other someone and their alt undo everything :(

I also believe a picture was made with a caption along the lines of "The Emperor wants YOU to plex Metropolis"...propaganda never works.

slash me space hangs head in shame enter

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Dan Carter Murray
#85 - 2012-07-17 18:13:13 UTC
IHaveCandyGetInTheVan69 wrote:

Cool enjoy your plexes (30 - 40k/LP hr) I was talking about missions (100-200k LP /hr), I'd rather be able to easily farm a load of minmatar missions in a stealth bomber and sell fleet phoons for 240m then buy navy geddons at 300m than have to run amarr missions to get navy geddons as it just doesn't seem as easy.


gah that's what i miss about amarr/minmatar...sb hunting in my sb ----> http://i.imgur.com/xbVvC.jpg also helps if you have this playing in the background ---> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e3mKAKPYh6k and coincidentally that happens to be the name of my sb hunting sb... slash me sobs uncontrollably enter

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Major Killz
inglorious bastards.
#86 - 2012-07-17 18:23:20 UTC
Loko Morice wrote:
Major Killz wrote:
Nulli's blob only works versus other blobs. They fail when it comes to small or medium gang warfare and have been spanked in their own space many times because of this. It's nothing new. The same has been done to PL. If you have a large group of pilots commited to destroying ships in your area that have no interest in facing you head to head. You will have massive losses on a continuous basis.

Not to mention. There are entities in low security space that are VERY POWERFUL in thier own right and can engage and smash null sec alliances effectively and do often.

Any large alliance that is worth their salt knows the limitations of being large. Most pilots are sheep, terrible and need to be lead. You cannot blob your way to defeating guerilla style warfare. Which was developed to engage larger entities with limited units and resources.

Nulli will be effective when it comes to hitting bunkers though. If they get to that point @ all.

If you could have an alliance of pilots experienced in guerilla/skirmish warfare @ around 400 - 700 pilots strong. That's something different.

Then again. Nulli could just start basing in one system and camp it untill they flip it and cont to do the same untill they get a whole constellation. Either way. Its something they have to commit to and not half or quarter @ss like Soco did in Delve (drop super capitals or go home). Go in b@lls deep or leave TBH...


- end of transmission


I feel like you have no idea who Nulli is, or what their strengths and weaknesses are. I also think you are severely overestimating the abilities of FW players compared to their null-sec counterparts. PLEASE point out an entitity in low security space that is, "VERY POWERFUL" compared to any serious null-sec alliance. Nulli is more organized, has better fleet doctrines, and on average has better players than anyone in faction warfare. I've fought against Nulli, the minmatar, and the amarr and I can assure you of that fact.

All that I question is their commitment to plexing, and if they can find a sound strategy to maintain systems they take.

And guerilla style warfare in EVE is just a bullshit propaganda mechanism. Under dogs hype it all the time. Guess what? We're in space. There's no where to go hide unless you just dock up. The closest thing to an ambush is a gate camp, which are easily scouted and reported instantaneously to everyone in an intel channel. There is no terrain and no locals you can blend into and be supported by. The closest thing to it is heavy use of bombers; something you can't ******* do in low-sec. It's just a ****** comparison in general.



The only one clueless here is you and no. I over estimate many things for the most part. Not so much the other way around. All I care about is ships being destroyed. As far as hype and propaganda? Nope! It's not hard to get into a 0.0 alliance (hint alts) or bash thier sheeps brains in (hint).

Bringing a herd together is just a part of the game and doing that well can be a challenge which Nulli Secunda has achieved successfully. However, don't mistake being able to press f1, watch broadcast and being good AS A BLOB (as an entity). To mean individual pilots in this alliance are all good. Pandemic Legion are a very strong alliance, but far to many of thier pilots are terrible solo or even in small gangs (97% of them).

Also, don't make the mistake of thinking having a good blob is limited to only 0.0 because as I've said. There are entities in low security space that are very powerful and put null sec alliances to shame on a regular basis. Within faction warfare however, there may only be 2 or 3 entities that I would consider powerfull as whole/blob.

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Private Pineapple
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#87 - 2012-07-17 18:35:36 UTC
Dan Carter Murray wrote:
Winston Hamilton wrote:
Gritz1 wrote:
I for one welcome our soon to be nulli seconds overlords.


sup

looking forward to my amarr bros showing us nulliers the ropes of FW. should be a good time.


Here are some samples of what normally happens when nullbears go to fight in FW space:
http://i.imgur.com/qfZ28.png
http://i.imgur.com/k624Y.png
http://i.imgur.com/7VfEz.png

I hope you guys do your research (takes 10 minutes to not get a pic made)

Also:
  • get to know plex sizes and their restrictions ( http://i.imgur.com/e8xnt.jpg )
  • to flip a system you need ships of all sizes ( http://i.imgur.com/n4Nrg.png )
  • you won't flip a system in 1 day ( http://i.imgur.com/qShFU.png )
  • it's always a trap ( http://i.imgur.com/ygusP.png )
  • iron oxide will bring 2x your numbers ( http://i.imgur.com/xkeZV.png )
  • prepare for the blob ( http://i.imgur.com/nd2bM.png )
  • set your overview for FW (avoid http://i.imgur.com/y2XFS.png )
  • minmatar uses boosters, you should too ( http://i.imgur.com/ryMAE.png )

    • Good luck.


    So because you put that much effort into your post, I assume you cracked the Vigenere cipher we were talking about the other day?

    .
    Peteris G
    Ophidia in herba
    #88 - 2012-07-17 18:48:59 UTC
    Folks calm down. Soon Nulli will join and everybody will see how it will turn out. Whats point in all those unproductive wild speculations and predictions. Just have a little patience and You will see everything on Yourself first hand Cool
    Loko Morice
    Garoun Investment Bank
    Gallente Federation
    #89 - 2012-07-17 18:59:14 UTC
    Major Killz wrote:


    I feel like you have no idea who Nulli is, or what their strengths and weaknesses are. I also think you are severely overestimating the abilities of FW players compared to their null-sec counterparts. PLEASE point out an entitity in low security space that is, "VERY POWERFUL" compared to any serious null-sec alliance. Nulli is more organized, has better fleet doctrines, and on average has better players than anyone in faction warfare. I've fought against Nulli, the minmatar, and the amarr and I can assure you of that fact.

    All that I question is their commitment to plexing, and if they can find a sound strategy to maintain systems they take.

    And guerilla style warfare in EVE is just a bullshit propaganda mechanism. Under dogs hype it all the time. Guess what? We're in space. There's no where to go hide unless you just dock up. The closest thing to an ambush is a gate camp, which are easily scouted and reported instantaneously to everyone in an intel channel. There is no terrain and no locals you can blend into and be supported by. The closest thing to it is heavy use of bombers; something you can't ******* do in low-sec. It's just a ****** comparison in general.



    The only one clueless here is you and no. I over estimate many things for the most part. Not so much the other way around. All I care about is ships being destroyed. As far as hype and propaganda? Nope! It's not hard to get into a 0.0 alliance (hint alts) or bash thier sheeps brains in (hint).

    Bringing a herd together is just a part of the game and doing that well can be a challenge which Nulli Secunda has achieved successfully. However, don't mistake being able to press f1, watch broadcast and being good AS A BLOB (as an entity). To mean individual pilots in this alliance are all good. Pandemic Legion are a very strong alliance, but far to many of thier pilots are terrible solo or even in small gangs (97% of them).

    Also, don't make the mistake of thinking having a good blob is limited to only 0.0 because as I've said. There are entities in low security space that are very powerful and put null sec alliances to shame on a regular basis. Within faction warfare however, there may only be 2 or 3 entities that I would consider powerfull as whole/blob.[/quote]

    You don't know what you're talking about. I've flown in faction warfare alliances, I've flown in nullsec alliances. There is almost no difference in the "skill" of the pilots. 97% of Pandemic Legion pilots are bad at solo or small gangs? LOL. They are, on average, better than most FW alliances, and you're pulling numbers right out of your ass.

    And as I said in the post you quotes, PLEASE point out one of these powerful lowsec alliances who put nullsec alliances to shame on a regular basis. Because I'm currently un-aware of them.
    Thomas Kreshant
    Brutor Tribe
    Minmatar Republic
    #90 - 2012-07-17 19:23:04 UTC  |  Edited by: Thomas Kreshant
    Loko Morice wrote:
    Major Killz wrote:

    The only one clueless here is you and no. I over estimate many things for the most part. Not so much the other way around. All I care about is ships being destroyed. As far as hype and propaganda? Nope! It's not hard to get into a 0.0 alliance (hint alts) or bash thier sheeps brains in (hint).

    Bringing a herd together is just a part of the game and doing that well can be a challenge which Nulli Secunda has achieved successfully. However, don't mistake being able to press f1, watch broadcast and being good AS A BLOB (as an entity). To mean individual pilots in this alliance are all good. Pandemic Legion are a very strong alliance, but far to many of thier pilots are terrible solo or even in small gangs (97% of them).

    Also, don't make the mistake of thinking having a good blob is limited to only 0.0 because as I've said. There are entities in low security space that are very powerful and put null sec alliances to shame on a regular basis. Within faction warfare however, there may only be 2 or 3 entities that I would consider powerfull as whole/blob.

    You don't know what you're talking about. I've flown in faction warfare alliances, I've flown in nullsec alliances. There is almost no difference in the "skill" of the pilots. 97% of Pandemic Legion pilots are bad at solo or small gangs? LOL. They are, on average, better than most FW alliances, and you're pulling numbers right out of your ass.


    And as I said in the post you quote, PLEASE point out one of these powerful lowsec alliances who put nullsec alliances to shame on a regular basis. Because I'm currently un-aware of them.



    Fixed it as the quoting seemed to be borked on that post Loko.
    Cearain
    Plus 10 NV
    #91 - 2012-07-17 19:47:09 UTC  |  Edited by: Cearain
    A group like nulli secunda could get amarr to tier 5 in about a week. If they are committed to plexing and getting to tier 5.

    Before they even join they should have lots of plexing ships in:

    amo,
    akkio
    audaerne
    Dammalin
    Mili
    Egglehende
    Kamela
    Sahtogas or a high sec entry around there Myyhera or maybe kuomi.

    They could station people at each of these bases as they are needed to do plexing in that area.

    If at any time they have about 10- 20 people going out of those systems they will be able to gradually contest all the minmatar systems evenly. One pilot per plex unless needed due to rat damage or pvp. If some areas start to become contested faster pilots could be reassigned to help those who are in systems that are being contested slower.

    Minmatar will form thier 50 pilot gang that can likely be ignored in all except a few systems. But really with the help of the remaining amarr pilots this shouldn't be a problem.

    If they all do plexes straight for few days they will have them all ready to flip and can flip them in the next few days.

    As much as it pains me to say it, I don't think faction warriors will cause them problems (assuming they stick to a good plan) They may get interference from some null sec alliances. If that happens well then its anyones guess how this will work.

    Make faction war occupancy pvp instead of pve https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=53815&#post53815
    Ezra Tair
    Doomheim
    #92 - 2012-07-17 20:03:06 UTC
    Cool, are the USTZ or EUTZ?
    Major Killz
    inglorious bastards.
    #93 - 2012-07-17 20:23:32 UTC  |  Edited by: Major Killz
    Thomas Kreshant wrote:
    Loko Morice wrote:
    Major Killz wrote:

    The only one clueless here is you and no. I over estimate many things for the most part. Not so much the other way around. All I care about is ships being destroyed. As far as hype and propaganda? Nope! It's not hard to get into a 0.0 alliance (hint alts) or bash thier sheeps brains in (hint).

    Bringing a herd together is just a part of the game and doing that well can be a challenge which Nulli Secunda has achieved successfully. However, don't mistake being able to press f1, watch broadcast and being good AS A BLOB (as an entity). To mean individual pilots in this alliance are all good. Pandemic Legion are a very strong alliance, but far to many of thier pilots are terrible solo or even in small gangs (97% of them).

    Also, don't make the mistake of thinking having a good blob is limited to only 0.0 because as I've said. There are entities in low security space that are very powerful and put null sec alliances to shame on a regular basis. Within faction warfare however, there may only be 2 or 3 entities that I would consider powerfull as whole/blob.

    You don't know what you're talking about. I've flown in faction warfare alliances, I've flown in nullsec alliances. There is almost no difference in the "skill" of the pilots. 97% of Pandemic Legion pilots are bad at solo or small gangs? LOL. They are, on average, better than most FW alliances, and you're pulling numbers right out of your ass.


    And as I said in the post you quote, PLEASE point out one of these powerful lowsec alliances who put nullsec alliances to shame on a regular basis. Because I'm currently un-aware of them.



    Fixed it as the quoting seemed to be borked on that post Loko.



    Tl,dr the other guys post. I'll answer the rest because that dude is clearly ******** and I've already hit the ignore button. No more reponse to anymore of his post meh.

    Base in low security space:

    - Rooks and Kings
    - Psychotic Tendencies. (recently disbanded and some of its corps have melted into some of the other dudes in this list)
    - Monkey Circus
    - Hedonistic Imperative
    - Shadow Cartel
    - Snuff box

    Faction Warfare:

    - Shadows of the Federation
    - Lost obsession

    I'm only including those corporations and alliances that are able to project alot of power. They're able to scale to battleships and carriers and use them effectively even against vastly greater numbers. Many of these entities will work together for killz, but aren't blue to one another. Some of these aforementioned alliances and corporations have worked with and are sometimes batphoned by the more prolific 0.0 pvp alliances such as PL, NCDOT, EVOKE, and RAIDON. Given the opportunity, they've also engaged the aforementioned alliances in big engagements.

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    Mutnin
    SQUIDS.
    #94 - 2012-07-17 20:35:34 UTC  |  Edited by: Mutnin
    Major Killz wrote:
    Nulli's blob only works versus other blobs. They fail when it comes to small or medium gang warfare and have been spanked in their own space many times because of this. It's nothing new. The same has been done to PL. If you have a large group of pilots commited to destroying ships in your area that have no interest in facing you head to head. You will have massive losses on a continuous basis.

    Not to mention. There are entities in low security space that are VERY POWERFUL in thier own right and can engage and smash null sec alliances effectively and do often.

    Any large alliance that is worth their salt knows the limitations of being large. Most pilots are sheep, terrible and need to be lead. You cannot blob your way to defeating guerilla style warfare. Which was developed to engage larger entities with limited units and resources.

    Nulli will be effective when it comes to hitting bunkers though. If they get to that point @ all.

    If you could have an alliance of pilots experienced in guerilla/skirmish warfare @ around 400 - 700 pilots strong. That's something different.

    Then again. Nulli could just start basing in one system and camp it untill they flip it and cont to do the same untill they get a whole constellation. Either way. Its something they have to commit to and not half or quarter @ss like Soco did in Delve (drop super capitals or go home). Go in b@lls deep or leave TBH...


    - end of transmission


    While this is all true, I think you under-estimate the power of numbers when it comes to the part about defense vs farmers.. Up until this point Minmatar has not faced any amount of serious farming in their space. Nothing like what Amarr, Caldari & Gallente have faced. Amarr at this point do not really push hard and they usually limit their pushes a few jumps away from where all the blobs live.

    When you are dealing with guys that are just there to earn ISk such as farmers you have to be able to out last them and most Minmatar are just like Gallente and will never do this. Once they get a taste of warping to plex to see noob alt warp to next or leave system to farm another they will give up with defending those far away systems away from the blob zones.

    This is the one thing that has allowed Caldari to somewhat keep control of our space even though we face likely one of the heaviest influxes of farmers of any of the 4 Militias. We have guys that do their best to defend and even so we have 23 Caldari held systems that are now Vulnerable and I'd say of any of the Militia's we do the most active defense, it's just we are faced with extremely large numbers of both Minmatar & Gal farmers.

    You simply can not beat the farmers when they are making ISK for offensives and defenders are not. Minmatar guys will just toss their alts in Amarr Militia if they start losing too much ground to Amarr. This is what fweddit doesn't seem to understand if they are actually trying to take war zone control..

    They actually do have the ships & numbers they need.. FW sov war is not a battle of ships & pvp it's a battle of who has the most farmers and who can make the most systems vulnerable to flip at will for LP dump days.

    Example even though Caldari out plexes Gals, the Gals will eventually get enough systems vulnerable in order to do a smash & grab to have a dump day.. Giving them decent war zone control for day or two. Caldari will of course take back the systems but the whole FW system is now just a farm-fest for everyone but Amarr TBH and it honestly has little to do with PVP unless you are looking for it.

    Don't get me wrong there is still a ton of PVP happening in plexes but it's usually only limited to if both parties are looking for that PVP. Example Caldari & Gals fight over systems like Villi, Akadgi, Nenn every day but other systems the PVP in plexes just depends on who is plexing, be it the farmers or the PVPers.

    Also just wanted to add iHub fights are few & far between.. Caldari was always able to capture systems even when we were greatly out numbered by Gals. We simply Ninja'd them at odd times of days and once you have enough systems vulnerable you can take your pick of where you hit. Even with Gals having numbers advantage they also Ninja'd iHubs by dropping a few dread in middle of night and doing a cycle on them b4 cynoing out letting the support gang finish it off.

    Fights on iHubs almost never happen and it's usually just over highly contested system and usually by that time the fighting as already been won by one side or the other prior to any iHub bash.
    Major Killz
    inglorious bastards.
    #95 - 2012-07-17 21:02:53 UTC
    @ Mutnin

    Yeah I conceded that point in my original post about their numbers and if they're able to commit to it. They might be able to do it. However, we won't know untill they do so. More than anything, im skeptical they will even take it seriously enough. They may even believe they have no threat in low security space and if they believe so. They're very wrong and entities will take the opportunity to school them once they start producing numbers and using capitals.

    Many of the entities I posted above want very large engagements and will take advantage of fools who underestimate where they are. Not to mention they have no problem bat phoning each other and null sec entities and have.

    I was NOT bashing Nulli Secunda but I could, because I don't think much of them. Also, many of the innovations used by Pandemic Legion and other 0.0 alliance were done by low security alliances and corporations first and then they were copied and applied to 0.0.

    So yeah! Good luck to Nulli and the Amarr milltia.


    - end of transmission

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    Mutnin
    SQUIDS.
    #96 - 2012-07-17 21:10:27 UTC  |  Edited by: Mutnin
    Major Killz wrote:
    @ Mutnin

    Yeah I conceded that point in my original post about their numbers and if they're able to commit to it. They might be able to do it. However, we won't know untill they do so. More than anything, im skeptical they will even take it seriously enough. They may even believe they have no threat in low security space and if they believe so. They're very wrong and entities will take the opportunity to school them once they start producing numbers and using capitals.

    Many of the entities I posted above want very large engagements and will take advantage of fools who underestimate where they are. Not to mention they have no problem bat phoning each other and null sec entities and have.

    I was NOT bashing Nulli Secunda but I could, because I don't think much of them. Also, many of the innovations used by Pandemic Legion and other 0.0 alliance were done by low security alliances and corporations first and then they were copied and applied to 0.0.

    So yeah! Good luck to Nulli and the Amarr milltia.


    - end of transmission


    They don't need to use caps for anything, iHubs can be taken easily with gangs of bombers & or tier 3 BC's.. You are asuming they are coming to fight when they have said they are coming to make isk and to get Navy Geddons.

    I dunno what the system control numbers are for Minmatar/Amarr to get to tier IV & V. Caldari/Gals it's roughly 62 to get to tier IV but a lightly defended system can still be flipped in about 4 to 5 days, undefended even less. Caldari had taken 10 vunerable iHubs in a single night with BC's. I think iHubs at peak of gang were dropping in less than 10 mins, meaning once mobilized it's very easy for them to reach the number of needed to get to tier IV systems unless minmatar do nothing but chase farmers all day long.

    Getting to Tier V might be harder and honestly only reason Minmatar have done it is because Amarr have less systems than any other Militia giving Minmatar a unfair advantage in what is required for war zone control. Caldari for example would likely have to hold 20 more systems than Minmatar have to hold to be able to get to tier V.

    Right now Minmatar hold 66 systems and dominate the Amarr war zone control while Caldai hold 60 systems and we still need 2 more to get to tier IV with every system upgraded to V. This should show you how much easier it is for Minmatar to get to tier V vs any other Militia and CCP needs to fix that. We would likely need to hold 75 to 85 systems to get to tier V but I'm not 100% on how many points are required to hit tier V on our war front.
    Cearain
    Plus 10 NV
    #97 - 2012-07-17 21:33:16 UTC
    Mutnin wrote:
    Major Killz wrote:
    @ Mutnin

    Yeah I conceded that point in my original post about their numbers and if they're able to commit to it. They might be able to do it. However, we won't know untill they do so. More than anything, im skeptical they will even take it seriously enough. They may even believe they have no threat in low security space and if they believe so. They're very wrong and entities will take the opportunity to school them once they start producing numbers and using capitals.

    Many of the entities I posted above want very large engagements and will take advantage of fools who underestimate where they are. Not to mention they have no problem bat phoning each other and null sec entities and have.

    I was NOT bashing Nulli Secunda but I could, because I don't think much of them. Also, many of the innovations used by Pandemic Legion and other 0.0 alliance were done by low security alliances and corporations first and then they were copied and applied to 0.0.

    So yeah! Good luck to Nulli and the Amarr milltia.


    - end of transmission


    They don't need to use caps for anything, iHubs can be taken easily with gangs of bombers & or tier 3 BC's.. You are asuming they are coming to fight when they have said they are coming to make isk and to get Navy Geddons.

    I dunno what the system control numbers are for Minmatar/Amarr to get to tier IV & V. Caldari/Gals it's roughly 62 to get to tier IV but a lightly defended system can still be flipped in able 4 to 5 days, undefended even less. Caldari had taken 10 vunerable iHubs in a single night with BC's. I think iHubs at peak of gang were dropping in less than 10 mins, meaning once mobilized it's very easy for them to reach the number of needed to get to tier IV systems unless minmatar do nothing but chase farmers all day long.

    Getting to Tier V might be harder and honestly only reason Minmatar have done it is because Amarr have less systems than any other Militia giving Minmatar a unfair advantage in what is required for war zone control. Caldari for example would likely have to hold 20 more systems than Minmatar have to hold to be able to get to tier V.


    I don't think its easier because there are less systems. You have to take 80% of the total systems either way. Yes minmatar have to take fewer systems but the number of systems they can "pass" on, and still get to tier five, is also fewer. I think that is equally as important if not more so.

    Actually the fact that amarr hold so few systems makes our strategy clear and we shouldn't really need to defend any systems. We won't have to "hold" any systems as long as we flip all the systems at once we can hit tier 5. Once we get enough vulnerable, or close to vulnerable, we can form a large blob and just go system to system flipping what we need for tier five. We should, of course, plan on flipping a bit more than they need so it costs less lp and we don't miscalculate and only hit tier 4. Kicking minmatar out of some of their bases would also be wonderful, but it's not necessary.


    Make faction war occupancy pvp instead of pve https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=53815&#post53815
    Mutnin
    SQUIDS.
    #98 - 2012-07-17 21:36:51 UTC  |  Edited by: Mutnin
    Cearain wrote:
    [quote=Mutnin]
    I don't think its easier because there are less systems. You have to take 80% of the total systems either way. Yes minmatar have to take fewer systems but the number of systems they can "pass" on, and still get to tier five, is also fewer. I think that is equally as important if not more so.

    Actually the fact that amarr hold so few systems makes our strategy clear and we shouldn't really need to defend any systems. We won't have to "hold" any systems as long as we flip all the systems at once we can hit tier 5. Once we get enough vulnerable, or close to vulnerable, we can form a large blob and just go system to system flipping what we need for tier five. We should, of course, plan on flipping a bit more than they need so it costs less lp and we don't miscalculate and only hit tier 4. Kicking minmatar out of some of their bases would also be wonderful, but it's not necessary.




    You guys could easily be **** blocking the Minmatar tier V dumps by never letting them reach the needed system levels. If nothing else Amarr could be doing that. You guys don't have to defend any space vs farmers but we do. Because Amarr don't try to put any real effort in capturing systems, Caldari gets stuck defending vs both Gal & Min farmers.
    Major Killz
    inglorious bastards.
    #99 - 2012-07-17 21:37:49 UTC
    Well, if they have on intention of fighting then I suppose I did make the wrong assumption. Then clearly they wont change anything for the Amarr, because I'm pretty sure you need to destroy bunkers.

    If there's not going to be any engagements around those bunkers then disregard my earlier post. No point in posting in this thread anymore.


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    Loko Morice
    Garoun Investment Bank
    Gallente Federation
    #100 - 2012-07-17 21:41:27 UTC
    Major Killz wrote:

    Tl,dr the other guys post. I'll answer the rest because that dude is clearly ******** and I've already hit the ignore button. No more reponse to anymore of his post meh.

    Base in low security space:

    - Rooks and Kings
    - Psychotic Tendencies. (recently disbanded and some of its corps have melted into some of the other dudes in this list)
    - Monkey Circus
    - Hedonistic Imperative
    - Shadow Cartel
    - Snuff box

    Faction Warfare:

    - Shadows of the Federation
    - Lost obsession

    I'm only including those corporations and alliances that are able to project alot of power. They're able to scale to battleships and carriers and use them effectively even against vastly greater numbers. Many of these entities will work together for killz, but aren't blue to one another. Some of these aforementioned alliances and corporations have worked with and are sometimes batphoned by the more prolific 0.0 pvp alliances such as PL, NCDOT, EVOKE, and RAIDON. Given the opportunity, they've also engaged the aforementioned alliances in big engagements.


    I would agree with rooks and kings. But I really doubt the others could seriously take on a large nullsec alliance. Win a fight or two, or inflict some damage? Sure, probably. But If it came to a "war" of any sorts, I just can't see it.