These forums have been archived and are now read-only.

The new forums are live and can be found at https://forums.eveonline.com/

Warfare & Tactics

 
  • Topic is locked indefinitely.
 

Nulli Secunda Joining Amarr FW

First post
Author
Previous Topic Next Topic
Yuri Intaki
Nasranite Watch
#21 - 2012-07-16 08:34:27 UTC
Thomas Kreshant wrote:
Nulli is just living in the nearby area and going into Drones/Gem etc and FW is just something to give their members something to do in between fleets etc and whether they have an impact will largely depend on how busy they are doing roams etc into null and how boring they find FW.

As for LP it's all about the Navy Geddons


Geographically it is fairly easy place to farm though and depending how active Matar are, losing multiple systems over there can easily knock the matar tier down and bring Amarr tier up. And if Matar want to farm them back, then bunker busting fleets are certainly viable targets to gank. Potential for fun times is certainly there but it remains to be seen on what level Nulli embraces the other aspects of FW.
Angmar Udate
#22 - 2012-07-16 08:35:57 UTC  |  Edited by: Angmar Udate
If you are interested in the entire meeting and not just few random quotes ;) nulli alliance meeting Warning you would be listening to progod for about an hour Shocked.

edit lol, reading OP is hard
Thomas Kreshant
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#23 - 2012-07-16 08:51:19 UTC
Angmar Udate wrote:
If you are interested in the entire meeting and not just few random quotes ;) nulli alliance meeting Warning you would be listening to progod for about an hour Shocked.

edit lol, reading OP is hard



Having listened to it last night I can advise people that nobody should be that interested Big smile
Markius TheShed
T.R.I.A.D
Ushra'Khan
#24 - 2012-07-16 08:55:11 UTC
By the end of today or tomorrow Amarr could be down to 2 systems Sosala and Kamela, So someone new to play with is very welcome as our current playmates are broken.

**Murientor Tribe** a capsuleer organization composed of radical Minmatar. Since YC107
Thomas Kreshant
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#25 - 2012-07-16 09:03:34 UTC
Markius TheShed wrote:
By the end of today or tomorrow Amarr could be down to 2 systems Sosala and Kamela, So someone new to play with is very welcome as our current playmates are broken.


lol

I'll throw out the classic didn't want those systems anyway line Big smile

Although truthfully, I personally liked the idea of dropping all systems, the Minmatar being able to sustain T5 prices is likely to poke CCP to the point where they nerf the living daylights out of the money that can be earned in FW.

It's currently way out of whack with the rest of the game
sYnc Vir
Wolfsbrigade
Ghost Legion.
#26 - 2012-07-16 10:30:41 UTC
Markius TheShed wrote:
By the end of today or tomorrow Amarr could be down to 2 systems Sosala and Kamela, So someone new to play with is very welcome as our current playmates are broken.



Considering Amarr (mostly) gave up on sov war a month or so ago, you've taken a mighty long ass time to get us down to that few.

Also Confirming removing all Amarr systems ends the war and we all go back to high sec that's now owned by minnies. Hurray.

Wait, whats that you say, we're carrying on fighting no matter what? Its an endless war you say, so no actually way of winning. Hmm.

I'm gonna stop trolling you now cause the fact you think owning all systems matters, embarrasses you enough all ready. Anyone stupid enough to make all their isk purely from FW has had an alt in the Matar for a while now. Sov is no more then a way of making the grind easier.

The only way we're actually going to give a **** about it, is if we want cheap as hell Navy Geddons. Until then, own as many systems as you like. Cause it matters so so much.RollRoll

Inb4 you make some asinine comment about taking Kamela and forcing us to move.

No fucks are given about any system, and moving is as simple as waiting 1 DT to drop 1 DT to rejoin.

Station Locks outs mean nothing, - Because you can drop, move, rejoin
System Control means nothing, - Because it takes 1 day to get your just made matar toon picking up L4s.
You super high Teir System means nothing - Because everyone else is also getting to use it, on their alts.

Sure it'll be the same if we get full control, but no fucks will still be given then. It simply doesn't matter beyond a 1 day DT to DT moving op.

Don't ask about Italics, just tilt your head.
Vordak Kallager
Descendance.
GoonSwarm.
#27 - 2012-07-16 11:00:01 UTC
sYnc Vir wrote:
Markius TheShed wrote:
By the end of today or tomorrow Amarr could be down to 2 systems Sosala and Kamela, So someone new to play with is very welcome as our current playmates are broken.



Considering Amarr (mostly) gave up on sov war a month or so ago, you've taken a mighty long ass time to get us down to that few.

Also Confirming removing all Amarr systems ends the war and we all go back to high sec that's now owned by minnies. Hurray.

Wait, whats that you say, we're carrying on fighting no matter what? Its an endless war you say, so no actually way of winning. Hmm.

I'm gonna stop trolling you now cause the fact you think owning all systems matters, embarrasses you enough all ready. Anyone stupid enough to make all their isk purely from FW has had an alt in the Matar for a while now. Sov is no more then a way of making the grind easier.

The only way we're actually going to give a **** about it, is if we want cheap as hell Navy Geddons. Until then, own as many systems as you like. Cause it matters so so much.RollRoll

Inb4 you make some asinine comment about taking Kamela and forcing us to move.

No fucks are given about any system, and moving is as simple as waiting 1 DT to drop 1 DT to rejoin.

Station Locks outs mean nothing, - Because you can drop, move, rejoin
System Control means nothing, - Because it takes 1 day to get your just made matar toon picking up L4s.
You super high Teir System means nothing - Because everyone else is also getting to use it, on their alts.

Sure it'll be the same if we get full control, but no fucks will still be given then. It simply doesn't matter beyond a 1 day DT to DT moving op.


It's a good thing Nulli "I didn't want those systems anyway" Secunda is joining Amarr, you have a lot in common to talk about!

Sa souvraya niende misain ye.
Bengal Bob
Slymsloot Enterprises
#28 - 2012-07-16 11:00:09 UTC
Awesome news.

1800 0.0 pros coming to teach us how to pvp in battlecruisers down. I am semi erect at the thought.

1800 0.0 farmers coming to spike Amarr to T5? I have just over 9.5 million LP for the Amarr store. I would be fully erect.

Looks like win win for us to be honest.

Welcome to our new overlords!
IHaveCandyGetInTheVan69
Crouching Woman Hidden Cucumber
#29 - 2012-07-16 12:43:24 UTC
sYnc Vir wrote:


The only way we're actually going to give a **** about it, is if we want cheap as hell Navy Geddons. Until then, own as many systems as you like.



Because Navy geddons are so expensive right now? RollRollRollRoll Justifying a campaign on a 60m price reduction on a Faction BS seems odd.


I think both sides that care about ISK know that there is plenty to be made from either side wining, either from banked amarr LP being cashed out or the price hikes of the minmatar LP items in future and with easy availability of alts I don't pretend to think that one side's Warzone control makes much difference to each sides available ISK
Yuri Intaki
Nasranite Watch
#30 - 2012-07-16 12:49:27 UTC
IHaveCandyGetInTheVan69 wrote:
Because Navy geddons are so expensive right now? RollRollRollRoll Justifying a campaign on a 60m price reduction on a Faction BS seems odd.


Hey, I flipped Eugidi constellation (8 systems) under old plexng mechanics for 100k isk and Sasawong's tears. If I still operated on that price scale, 60 million would easily get you both Metropolis & Heimatar, with Molden Heath thrown in as special bonus Lol
Bengal Bob
Slymsloot Enterprises
#31 - 2012-07-16 13:35:15 UTC
Yuri Intaki wrote:
IHaveCandyGetInTheVan69 wrote:
Because Navy geddons are so expensive right now? RollRollRollRoll Justifying a campaign on a 60m price reduction on a Faction BS seems odd.


Hey, I flipped Eugidi constellation (8 systems) under old plexng mechanics for 100k isk and Sasawong's tears. If I still operated on that price scale, 60 million would easily get you both Metropolis & Heimatar, with Molden Heath thrown in as special bonus Lol


LIES

Sasawong has no tears. Only VP
IHaveCandyGetInTheVan69
Crouching Woman Hidden Cucumber
#32 - 2012-07-16 13:46:09 UTC
Yuri Intaki wrote:
IHaveCandyGetInTheVan69 wrote:
Thing is amarr T5 will never be as good for all the people who love to farm FW for LP because their missions suck (suck here having the meaning of not easily soloable in a SB)


I am really wondering if you are serious or just trying to "scare" people away from boosting Amarr. I for one would gladly pay isk to trade with Amarrian dudes from Caldari lp store for Nomens and navy geddons.

Anyway, I already tested couple of noob alts with relatively cheap boats who can take all matar plexes so i'll be farming in no time.


Cool enjoy your plexes (30 - 40k/LP hr) I was talking about missions (100-200k LP /hr), I'd rather be able to easily farm a load of minmatar missions in a stealth bomber and sell fleet phoons for 240m then buy navy geddons at 300m than have to run amarr missions to get navy geddons as it just doesn't seem as easy.

Of course should they get Tier 5 I probably will run their missons as it will still be the best in eve, I just think its much easier to get navy geddons under the status quo. I can get about 3.5 Fleet Phoons per hour at the moment, which would equate to just under 3 Navy geddons per hour, I think I would struggle to make that many under a Tier 5 Amarr LP store simply because missions would take much longer to complete.
Thomas Kreshant
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#33 - 2012-07-16 13:58:27 UTC
IHaveCandyGetInTheVan69 wrote:
Yuri Intaki wrote:
IHaveCandyGetInTheVan69 wrote:
Thing is amarr T5 will never be as good for all the people who love to farm FW for LP because their missions suck (suck here having the meaning of not easily soloable in a SB)


I am really wondering if you are serious or just trying to "scare" people away from boosting Amarr. I for one would gladly pay isk to trade with Amarrian dudes from Caldari lp store for Nomens and navy geddons.

Anyway, I already tested couple of noob alts with relatively cheap boats who can take all matar plexes so i'll be farming in no time.


Cool enjoy your plexes (30 - 40k/LP hr) I was talking about missions (100-200k LP /hr), I'd rather be able to easily farm a load of minmatar missions in a stealth bomber and sell fleet phoons for 240m then buy navy geddons at 300m than have to run amarr missions to get navy geddons as it just doesn't seem as easy.

Of course should they get Tier 5 I probably will run their missons as it will still be the best in eve, I just think its much easier to get navy geddons under the status quo. I can get about 3.5 Fleet Phoons per hour at the moment, which would equate to just under 3 Navy geddons per hour, I think I would struggle to make that many under a Tier 5 Amarr LP store simply because missions would take much longer to complete.



Hopefully the one piece of information that Hans took from his recent AMA would be to totally get rid of FW missions, they don't fit in FW at all and to be honest are way to profitable and out of whack with the rest of EVE.
IHaveCandyGetInTheVan69
Crouching Woman Hidden Cucumber
#34 - 2012-07-16 14:12:56 UTC
Thomas Kreshant wrote:
IHaveCandyGetInTheVan69 wrote:
Yuri Intaki wrote:
IHaveCandyGetInTheVan69 wrote:
Thing is amarr T5 will never be as good for all the people who love to farm FW for LP because their missions suck (suck here having the meaning of not easily soloable in a SB)


I am really wondering if you are serious or just trying to "scare" people away from boosting Amarr. I for one would gladly pay isk to trade with Amarrian dudes from Caldari lp store for Nomens and navy geddons.

Anyway, I already tested couple of noob alts with relatively cheap boats who can take all matar plexes so i'll be farming in no time.


Cool enjoy your plexes (30 - 40k/LP hr) I was talking about missions (100-200k LP /hr), I'd rather be able to easily farm a load of minmatar missions in a stealth bomber and sell fleet phoons for 240m then buy navy geddons at 300m than have to run amarr missions to get navy geddons as it just doesn't seem as easy.

Of course should they get Tier 5 I probably will run their missons as it will still be the best in eve, I just think its much easier to get navy geddons under the status quo. I can get about 3.5 Fleet Phoons per hour at the moment, which would equate to just under 3 Navy geddons per hour, I think I would struggle to make that many under a Tier 5 Amarr LP store simply because missions would take much longer to complete.



Hopefully the one piece of information that Hans took from his recent AMA would be to totally get rid of FW missions, they don't fit in FW at all and to be honest are way to profitable and out of whack with the rest of EVE.


Yup, but to be honest they have been that way for ages so I can't see CCP fixing it now, it just never got the attention before. I think they were even more profitable when FW was first released than they are now. I don't think you can blame people for making the ISK while its there.
Thomas Kreshant
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#35 - 2012-07-16 14:18:52 UTC
IHaveCandyGetInTheVan69 wrote:


Yup, but to be honest they have been that way for ages so I can't see CCP fixing it now, it just never got the attention before. I think they were even more profitable when FW was first released than they are now. I don't think you can blame people for making the ISK while its there.


The small numbers doing FW probably protected it from CCP gaze but recently various people have been making it known widely that insane amounts of ISK are available and of course saying hey nullbears come farm some..
IHaveCandyGetInTheVan69
Crouching Woman Hidden Cucumber
#36 - 2012-07-16 14:23:42 UTC
Thomas Kreshant wrote:

The small numbers doing FW probably protected it from CCP gaze but recently various people have been making it known widely that insane amounts of ISK are available and of course saying hey nullbears come farm some..


Yup, although I hope you aren't imply its me doing that, the cat is well and truely out of the bag or else I wouldn't even be posting about it, no point in playing sly anymore.
Thomas Kreshant
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#37 - 2012-07-16 14:31:40 UTC
IHaveCandyGetInTheVan69 wrote:
Thomas Kreshant wrote:

The small numbers doing FW probably protected it from CCP gaze but recently various people have been making it known widely that insane amounts of ISK are available and of course saying hey nullbears come farm some..


Yup, although I hope you aren't imply its me doing that, the cat is well and truely out of the bag or else I wouldn't even be posting about it, no point in playing sly anymore.


No not all at I mostly mean generally.

There has been tweets, blog posts and mentions on the recent podcasts by people of all sides that want it nerfed to get rid of the farmers that don't actually get involved in FW, talking of which this character finally has a few million SP so I might undock him and send my production character back off to make me some money Big smile
Cearain
Plus 10 NV
#38 - 2012-07-16 14:52:56 UTC
Winston Hamilton wrote:
Gritz1 wrote:
I for one welcome our soon to be nulli seconds overlords.


sup

looking forward to my amarr bros showing us nulliers the ropes of FW. should be a good time.





Great to have you guys. If you are serious about winning the plex war here is a good introduction:

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1531358#post1531358

Here is the dev blog that explains the basic changes that inferno brought and the mechanics:

http://community.eveonline.com/devblog.asp?a=blog&nbid=28659


Then here is a thread that talks about some of the more advanced, big picture, strategies:

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&find=unread&t=131901

As I argue in that thread, I think our best bet is to bring all the systems we need to tier 5 gradually and evenly. Not to flip systems out of turn. Wait until all we need for tier five are ready then flip them all in one push.

Keep in mind that you can put plexing ships in minmatar and gallente high sec (assuming you are not a pirate). The navies will chase you but by and large they will generally not catch you if you keep moving - especially if you are in plexing ships of bc and down.

If you look at the fw map:

http://evemaps.dotlan.net/map/Amarr_VS_Minmatar#sec

You will see several systems could be bases for plexing ships specifically:
amo,
akkio
audaerne
Dammalin
Mili

Good luck and have fun with it.

Make faction war occupancy pvp instead of pve https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=53815&#post53815
Lyron-Baktos
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#39 - 2012-07-16 15:20:58 UTC
hope this is true as I would love cheaper Amaar boats.
Crimper
Shadow State
Goonswarm Federation
#40 - 2012-07-16 15:55:34 UTC
Markius TheShed wrote:
By the end of today or tomorrow Amarr could be down to 2 systems Sosala and Kamela, So someone new to play with is very welcome as our current playmates are broken.


We will let you have when WE DECIDE we don't want it anymore although feel free to assume whatever you please.