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Nulli Secunda Joining Amarr FW

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Loko Morice
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#1 - 2012-07-15 23:55:39 UTC
Nulli Secunda Alliance meeting: http://soundcloud.com/necronian/s2n-alliance-meeting

They have officially stated that they are joining Amarr FW...and that their intentions are to drive the Amarr to T5. I'm particularly interested by their goal; I have no doubt they will easily wipe the floor with anything the minmatar bring against them in large fights or on ihubs. I am less optimistic about them overcoming the army of plex-farmers that will try to undo any progress they make.

Thoughts?
Ginger Barbarella
#2 - 2012-07-16 00:41:12 UTC
Weren't the Goonies going to join up? And whatever became of Fweddit's brazen delcaration to return Amarr space back to the Amarr??

Yeah, I thought so...

"Blow it all on Quafe and strippers." --- Sorlac
Dan Osiris
Never Not Contract
#3 - 2012-07-16 00:56:50 UTC
Ginger Barbarella wrote:
Weren't the Goonies going to join up? And whatever became of Fweddit's brazen delcaration to return Amarr space back to the Amarr??

Yeah, I thought so...


Your hair isn't red. Therefore, your argument is invalid.
Loko Morice
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#4 - 2012-07-16 00:58:42 UTC
Ginger Barbarella wrote:
Weren't the Goonies going to join up? And whatever became of Fweddit's brazen delcaration to return Amarr space back to the Amarr??

Yeah, I thought so...


No? And I don't believe Fweddit ever made some sort of declaration to take over the entire warzone. I think they were, at most, optimistic about retaking systems...and succeeded at it too. Until it became a basically futile measure. They don't have the ability to ship-up when needed, and I don't think anyone has the ability to out-plex the amarr.
Kuehnelt
Devoid Privateering
#5 - 2012-07-16 02:39:25 UTC
"When we do have the standings, we will be joining Faction Warfare. Yeah there's some great PvP for it but really we're just going to push it to Tier 5 and then cash in a **** ton of loyalty points."

"We'll bring back Navy Geddon fleet as an official concept, with ship replacement. So that's kind of the goal. It's kind of the reason we even considered it, really."

"Yeah, **** Delve."

Imperial Navy Armageddon = HERO OF AMARR.

Loko Morice wrote:
I have no doubt they will easily wipe the floor with anything the minmatar bring against them in large fights or on ihubs. I am less optimistic about them overcoming the army of plex-farmers that will try to undo any progress they make.

Thoughts?


I had the same thought when someone praised them in the other thread: "wow, it's too bad none of those qualities translates to success in FW :-(" But,

1. Because no LP is awarded for defensive plexing, it'll be Sasawong / Sheltering Sky that will try to undo any progress they make, and not any army of farmers. They'll only be fighting the farmers when they start to take systems. It's their choice if they take one system at a time (farmers: yay LP!) vs. several constellations of systems at a time (farmers: yay L--waitaminute. What if I can't cash this out?)

2. If they do make a credible push that takes a bunch of systems, an army of Amarr farmers will materialize; a lot of Minmatar farmers will just go away.

3. I was about to say here that farmers' morale could be attacked (hastening the switch in #2) if other Amarr FW target upgrade levels of Minmatar systems, but Minmatar can still organize cash-outs. *shrug*

No comment on whether any of this 'good for FW'.
Cedo Nulli
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#6 - 2012-07-16 02:47:06 UTC
Maybe its time to come help our gold-clad brothers in arms !



For the state !
Zarnak Wulf
Task Force 641
Empyrean Edict
#7 - 2012-07-16 02:59:19 UTC
The 'army of plexers' would sell their own mother for three hots and a cot. Let's not have any misconceptions. Once that T4 and T5 LP store is gone so are they. In fact - you shouldn't be surprised if Amarr gains an army of plexers should the tide turn.

A better question to ask is if Nulli realizes that most of the fighting occurs with BC and down for practical reasons? - that's what fits in the plexes.
Gritz1
Ice Fire Warriors
#8 - 2012-07-16 03:56:11 UTC
I for one welcome our soon to be nulli seconds overlords.
Mutnin
SQUIDS.
#9 - 2012-07-16 04:08:00 UTC  |  Edited by: Mutnin
Zarnak Wulf wrote:
The 'army of plexers' would sell their own mother for three hots and a cot. Let's not have any misconceptions. Once that T4 and T5 LP store is gone so are they. In fact - you shouldn't be surprised if Amarr gains an army of plexers should the tide turn.

A better question to ask is if Nulli realizes that most of the fighting occurs with BC and down for practical reasons? - that's what fits in the plexes.


Most of the sov warfare in FW is won with T1 frigs & 2 week old alts.. You Minmatar will not defend entire consolations being attacked by dozens of almost AFK frigs that give you no cheap thrills of easy kills because they warp away.

In fact smart farmers will join Amarr before they hit high tier levels as it means easy access to tons of open plexes early on.
Winston Hamilton
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#10 - 2012-07-16 05:18:39 UTC
Gritz1 wrote:
I for one welcome our soon to be nulli seconds overlords.


sup

looking forward to my amarr bros showing us nulliers the ropes of FW. should be a good time.
Fallen Aurora
FALLING LIKE A ROCK HOLDING CO
#11 - 2012-07-16 05:57:51 UTC
I'm sure the Minmatar will put this pro 0.0 alliance back in there place just like us FW noobs have with alliances that came before.

Amarr have our own plan to get back on top and its not so far away as you may think. Don't come in and start capping systems claiming it was all your work. In-fact don't cap systems you'll mess it up for us.
Veshta Yoshida
PIE Inc.
Khimi Harar
#12 - 2012-07-16 06:10:15 UTC
Thoughts? ... hmmm, them thar be fighting words!

CCP managed to not only make old FW rats into risk averse farmers, but made it so insanely profitable that null blobs now have an interest in farming it as well.

If they join for the stated goal of T5 then it is for the farming, pure and simple. They'll rack up a few million LP per person, cash out and leave for null once again .. Mimes will ***** and moan as we all do when an outside entity comes in to take dump on our pillow.
FW, due to its immense farming potential/capacity,
has moved from being:
- A PvP rehabilitation centre for people who had lost their pew mojo to the wickedness that is "blobs shooting EHP bricks and other blobs" (ie. null 'warfare') .. where people could fall in love with Eve all over again by adding to themselves as well as the 'locals' through loving interaction at gun point.
to being:
- A wallet rehabilitation centre for people who lost their shirts (or just want more shirts!) .. where the optimal operating procedure differs only slightly from the null paradigm of blob vs. EHP/blob .. adding only ISK to themselves while detracting from everything 'local' both short and long term (market crash+depression).

Essentially it moved from being a friendly competition (with guns!) for honour and bragging rights to full blown imperial colonialism of :insert name of backwards civilization here: with all the joys that bring.

To Nulli: Prove me wrong, I dare you!
Deen Wispa
Sheriff.
Caldari Tactical Operations Command
#13 - 2012-07-16 06:26:38 UTC
NA will realize what Fweddit and everyone else already knows. The war is "won" with afk plexers and farming alts. Once they realize it's not even won by fleet battles, they'll leave.

High Five. Yeah! C'est La Eve .
Mutnin
SQUIDS.
#14 - 2012-07-16 06:49:21 UTC  |  Edited by: Mutnin
Deen Wispa wrote:
NA will realize what Fweddit and everyone else already knows. The war is "won" with afk plexers and farming alts. Once they realize it's not even won by fleet battles, they'll leave.


What makes you think people still join FW just for PVP? PVP for most part has gone down hill all around EVE specially in FW.. Sure there are a lot more kills happening, but it's more blob warfare and a lot less small gang.

Far as the farmers, It used to be high sec level V's that everyone farmed. Then it was sanctums, WH's & Incursions. Most were all nerfed and now it's time for farming FW.

I would say 2 out of every 3 Caldari systems have at least 1 Minmatar farm alt that is on average less than 2 months old or haven't been in FW more than a week or two farming plexes in Gun-less Incusrus or Drams. It's about time Minmatar get some payback for all the farmers they openly tell in their Militia chat to come to Caldari space.

I'm sure there are loads of Caldari noob alts farming Gal space but up til now there hasn't been much pressure on Minmatar space. I honestly can't wait for the tears and will laugh when the hoards of 2 week old farmer alts swap sides to Amarr to farm Minmatar space. Minmatar deserve the payback for encouraging the farm alts TBH.
Hidden Snake
Inglorious-Basterds
#15 - 2012-07-16 06:55:01 UTC
this is the darkest days of FW .... nullsec bears rolling over FW just to cashcow it and roll away (and band of alts swapping sides based on T5 level of needs) ... Hans can u finaly resign? X
Vordak Kallager
Descendance.
GoonSwarm.
#16 - 2012-07-16 07:34:31 UTC
otehnoez!

Sa souvraya niende misain ye.
Silence iKillYouu
Girls Lie But Zkill Doesn't
Pandemic Legion
#17 - 2012-07-16 07:42:41 UTC
meh they come they go.

EVE Mail me i dont check forums often.
IHaveCandyGetInTheVan69
Crouching Woman Hidden Cucumber
#18 - 2012-07-16 07:47:19 UTC
I'm sure an alliance of those numbers will love FW, I can't imagine a week in there will be anyone saying 'where are the sanctums?' or 'Will we every get a fight?'

Thing is amarr T5 will never be as good for all the people who love to farm FW for LP because their missions suck (suck here having the meaning of not easily soloable in a SB)


Still I look forward to being able to sell all this stuff once the prices are sufficiently high, better make sure I have a sufficiently massive SFI stack come ROFLstomp.
Yuri Intaki
Nasranite Watch
#19 - 2012-07-16 08:12:50 UTC  |  Edited by: Yuri Intaki
IHaveCandyGetInTheVan69 wrote:
Thing is amarr T5 will never be as good for all the people who love to farm FW for LP because their missions suck (suck here having the meaning of not easily soloable in a SB)


I am really wondering if you are serious or just trying to "scare" people away from boosting Amarr. I for one would gladly pay isk to trade with Amarrian dudes from Caldari lp store for Nomens and navy geddons.

Anyway, I already tested couple of noob alts with relatively cheap boats who can take all matar plexes so i'll be farming in no time.
Thomas Kreshant
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#20 - 2012-07-16 08:22:36 UTC  |  Edited by: Thomas Kreshant
Nulli is just living in the nearby area and going into Drones/Gem etc and FW is just something to give their members something to do in between fleets etc and whether they have an impact will largely depend on how busy they are doing roams etc into null and how boring they find FW.


As for LP it's all about the Navy Geddons
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