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Whitehound
#61 - 2012-07-16 13:14:51 UTC  |  Edited by: Whitehound
CCP Soundwave wrote:
I feel a little sad that we can't have three teams from this group enter the next stage because Rote, RvB and PL have all been super entertaining and good this year. Props to all three teams!

See it from this angle: having these strong teams in one group means that we get to see those really good fights early in the tournament. Ignoring those stupid blackouts for a minute does this keep the viewer numbers high, because everyone gets to feel the excitement of the tournament. If it was more spread out (having one strong team in each group) then it could get too predictable through each stage and you would see the weaker teams being kicked out one by one.

This is so much better.

Loss is meaningful. Therefore is the loss of meaning likewise meaningful. It is the source of all trolling.
Lexmana
#62 - 2012-07-16 13:16:57 UTC  |  Edited by: Lexmana
Possum's Awesome wrote:
Lexmana wrote:
Interesting choice relying so heavily on neuts when they most likely would face capless weapons and ASBs. Looking at ship statistics, Rote Kapelle fielded the second, forth and fifth most common ships in AT so far. And PLs 100B elite setup seemed to have no counter to the Sleipnirs. Maybe it is time to go back to the drawing board?

That said it was a really good match. Thanks for the entertainment both teams.


Still need cap to run ewar, props, dcu, and hardeners. An asb'd ship is that much easier to kill if its web'd to crap, hardeners are off and logi's assploded.

Yeah, all that is true. But it didn't seem to work that well against three Sleipnirs (and a bunch of high DPS AFs) rushing to kill their BSs. Only one Sleipnir was neuted and one webbed. This weakness has to be taken seriously since Sleipnirs are the most common dps ship in AT followed by Cyclones.

Maybe if they had more TDs they could have saved their flagship and won the match. Or if they would have brought down one of the Sleipnirs before going for the Scimitar.

Yeah, I know it is so much easier to win tournaments when you are spectator. And I don't really like sports but fun game. Good fight.
Lexmana
#63 - 2012-07-16 13:26:20 UTC  |  Edited by: Lexmana
Proxay wrote:
Lexmana wrote:
Interesting choice relying so heavily on neuts when they most likely would face capless weapons and ASBs. Looking at ship statistics, Rote Kapelle fielded the second, forth and fifth most common ships in AT so far. And PLs 100B elite setup seemed to have no counter to the Sleipnirs. Maybe it is time to go back to the drawing board?

That said it was a really good match. Thanks for the entertainment both teams.


PL were watching every practice we did, and we were fielding teams that their setup would've annihilated, on singularity.

I can criticize my team and I pretty hard too. Sure we won, and their setup wasn't geared to beat ours, but they still had a great team, that was solid as all ****.

At the three minute mark we should've pushed for their damnation, to secure another 16 points. It would've died in three minutes too, the sleip dps is considerable.

There are other things, but we are very happy to take a win away from that match.

When we said GF, we 100% meant it. Great showing.

I guess you really wanted to kill one of these Malices ... but yeah, the smart thing would have been to go for the Damnation. Good win though. Awesome.

I am really looking forward to seeing you guys next weekend.
Kachak
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#64 - 2012-07-16 14:21:37 UTC
Ben Booley is my buddy from MT. That stupid Laz could have said some nice things bout him :(




nunun+hinkl = boss
Otebski
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#65 - 2012-07-16 14:57:52 UTC
It was a great match!
But tbh pl broke first rule of eve pvp: Don't fly what you can't afford to lose. Malices were mostly useless for more than half of a match simply because pl's ego (not wallet) couldn't handle losing them. A setup where 1/3 of the team cannot commit to a fight deserved a loss.
Now I am really curious how rich rvb will get...
claire xxx
KarmaFleet
Goonswarm Federation
#66 - 2012-07-16 15:27:47 UTC  |  Edited by: claire xxx
Otebski wrote:
It was a great match!
But tbh pl broke first rule of eve pvp: Don't fly what you can't afford to lose. Malices were mostly useless for more than half of a match simply because pl's ego (not wallet) couldn't handle losing them. A setup where 1/3 of the team cannot commit to a fight deserved a loss.
Now I am really curious how rich rvb will get...


Pretty sure you must have watched a different match than I did.

PL engaged with them just fine, and our team ignored the bait. It wasn't until the end that they kited them out and away to avoid losing them.

Also, I'm pretty sure the "don't fly what you can't afford to lose" rule doesn't apply here since PL could easily have absorbed those losses. And they had the ego to bring them, knowing full well they might lose one or more of them.

Finally, I'm of two minds about the use of the Malice in the tournament. While, of course, I was rooting for my team to catch them and kill them, I'd have also been a little saddened by their loss. There are a finite number of tournament ships in game and I hate to see them lost.

Mad props to PL for using them.
Possum's Awesome
Foxtrot Uniform Charlie Kilo
#67 - 2012-07-16 15:56:08 UTC
Otebski wrote:
It was a great match!
But tbh pl broke first rule of eve pvp: Don't fly what you can't afford to lose. Malices were mostly useless for more than half of a match simply because pl's ego (not wallet) couldn't handle losing them. A setup where 1/3 of the team cannot commit to a fight deserved a loss.
Now I am really curious how rich rvb will get...


PL was purdy much all in with that match. Considering those ships were prizes that PL didn't even WIN, I'm pretty sure they were prepared to lose 4 tourny frigs for a more definite shot at 50x ATX ships.
Jade Constantine
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
#68 - 2012-07-16 19:25:29 UTC
That was a really good fight to watch (only just caught up with the results from yesterday) - very well fought to Rote Kapelle and it was a ridiculously exciting match that could have gone either way.

The True Knowledge is that nothing matters that does not matter to you, might does make right and power makes freedom
Bacchanalian
Stimulus
Rote Kapelle
#69 - 2012-07-16 20:36:11 UTC
Jade Constantine wrote:
That was a really good fight to watch (only just caught up with the results from yesterday) - very well fought to Rote Kapelle and it was a ridiculously exciting match that could have gone either way.


Thanks Jade. It was our own little Thorax charge of sorts. PL brought the style points for us though.
Caviar Liberta
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#70 - 2012-07-16 23:07:39 UTC
Lt Pizi wrote:
best match sofar ...
was like when the thoraxes rushed the bob team back then


that was star fraction vs bob
B'reanna
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#71 - 2012-07-17 04:10:13 UTC  |  Edited by: B'reanna
From the pl side it just as intense as it seemed. as far as the malices you people should play with them in eft they are ridiculous. props to rote for plalying there team well.

edit : also i seemed to have misplaced my chelm's nuet.
Bacchanalian
Stimulus
Rote Kapelle
#72 - 2012-07-17 04:25:20 UTC
B'reanna wrote:
From the pl side it just as intense as it seemed. as far as the malices you people should play with them in eft they are ridiculous. props to rote for plalying there team well.

edit : also i seemed to have misplaced my chelm's nuet.


Pretty sure my Nyx is fit more cheaply than that flagship was. Shocked
Ohh Yeah
Jerkasaurus Wrecks Inc.
Sedition.
#73 - 2012-07-17 04:39:53 UTC
Bacchanalian wrote:
B'reanna wrote:
From the pl side it just as intense as it seemed. as far as the malices you people should play with them in eft they are ridiculous. props to rote for plalying there team well.

edit : also i seemed to have misplaced my chelm's nuet.


Pretty sure my Nyx is fit more cheaply than that flagship was. Shocked


In for a penny, in for a pound
MotherMoon
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
#74 - 2012-07-17 08:23:22 UTC
Proxay wrote:
Lt Pizi wrote:
best match sofar ...
was like when the thoraxes rushed the bob team back then


The people who flew that team, are in Rote Kapelle.

seriously?

damn

Baller status. There will never be a more epic upset. Bob won it it, what, 5 years in a row? I think they went the whole tounryment with the same single set up didn't they? they were so cocky, they kept using the same 10 ships. And then, 10 thoraxes, and it as the bext counter I've ever seen. And like that, bob finally lost a match after 5 years.

http://dl.eve-files.com/media/1206/scimi.jpg
Sturm Gewehr
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#75 - 2012-07-17 09:41:03 UTC
B'reanna wrote:
From the pl side it just as intense as it seemed. as far as the malices you people should play with them in eft they are ridiculous. props to rote for plalying there team well.

edit : also i seemed to have misplaced my chelm's nuet.


Post malice fit? :P
Alekto Descendant
ElitistOps
Deepwater Hooligans
#76 - 2012-07-17 16:55:22 UTC
Sturm Gewehr wrote:
B'reanna wrote:
From the pl side it just as intense as it seemed. as far as the malices you people should play with them in eft they are ridiculous. props to rote for plalying there team well.

edit : also i seemed to have misplaced my chelm's nuet.


Post malice fit? :P


If you wanted the fit, you should have killed them. :)

*hint* they were not Civillian lasar fitted.
claire xxx
KarmaFleet
Goonswarm Federation
#77 - 2012-07-17 17:11:29 UTC
Alekto Descendant wrote:
If you wanted the fit, you should have killed them. :)

*hint* they were not Civillian lasar fitted.


Oh Alekto why so coy and teasing? Blink
Rer Eirikr
The Scope
#78 - 2012-07-17 17:28:56 UTC
As an aside feel free to bet against PL in the upcoming matches!


... I need the good odds to win my cash back <.<
Apathetic Brent
TURN LEFT
#79 - 2012-07-17 17:44:23 UTC
B'reanna wrote:
From the pl side it just as intense as it seemed. as far as the malices you people should play with them in eft they are ridiculous. props to rote for plalying there team well.

edit : also i seemed to have misplaced my chelm's nuet.


Sorry we killed you bud. Flagships are like that though. They don't, generally speaking, tank harder than the non FS variants, and they provide more dps/utility.

RE: Malices, I'm glad I didn't call a rush on them after the bhaals went down. It would have taken too much time, and we were super low on frigs after the guardian went down. They're so majestic I think I would have had a hard time firing that last shot. I did get close to running down Joe Fishy though Smile
B'reanna
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#80 - 2012-07-17 19:03:40 UTC
Apathetic Brent wrote:
B'reanna wrote:
From the pl side it just as intense as it seemed. as far as the malices you people should play with them in eft they are ridiculous. props to rote for plalying there team well.

edit : also i seemed to have misplaced my chelm's nuet.


Sorry we killed you bud. Flagships are like that though. They don't, generally speaking, tank harder than the non FS variants, and they provide more dps/utility.

RE: Malices, I'm glad I didn't call a rush on them after the bhaals went down. It would have taken too much time, and we were super low on frigs after the guardian went down. They're so majestic I think I would have had a hard time firing that last shot. I did get close to running down Joe Fishy though Smile



eh if i was you i wouldn't be sorry about killing my 20b bhaal. but after we kill rvb this Saturday we will just have to agree to meet again in the final match.