EVE General Discussion

Hulks are combat hulls looking for combat. Therefore it's proper to bring them into an argument about an engagement pitting fighting ships against fighting ships. You are right.

Could you gank an alt-remote repped faction tanked hulk by the way?



Scouting alts and offgrid boosters do not prodive any special advantage. Plus, they are free. Okay!



Because you don't think it is. Also, it's not made using alts, so I guess you're right.


Why should they?[/quote]
Because such is the case in that game?


Why do private (i.e. funded by donations) DAOC servers expressively forbid buffing alts?

Those alts are free to buy, fund, and run on free computers.




Because DAOC is an mmo where people have used alts extensively?
Also, because the way a free iteration of this mmo treats non-micro requiring alts clearly states the impact they have on the game, and why it forbids them when they don't bring in revenue?

Still irrelevant. You know, you could just admit that you have no counter-argument to what I said, rather than drag up the same idiotic strawman.

None that you get just because you're paying for them.

What makes you think that? I certainly never said anything of the kind…

In what game? EVE? No, they're not really at a disadvantage here, largely because the game doesn't really have any P2W. So why should they?

Here you go. First thing I could find on Google. It should help you.

We could just easily say anything, such as the borg conglomerate arrives and assimilates all of the earth population and we can't play EvE anymore, or something.

Or we could discuss the aforementioned scenario, in which the multibox brigade won't engage if 30 unknowns who might be support due to corp and alliances affiliations, are in system.

You can fund several accounts through isk only. But then you can do it with real money also. It's way less bothersome, as minimum wage is more isk/hour than most grinding.

But then again, would somebody on minimum wage spent a lot of cash on a game? Would he have a decent enough computer, much less several, to run multiple accounts, provided he'd have the time to grind for them all?

Do you have a problem with a RL loser being at a disadvantage in this game?

Why are private (i.e. funded by donations) DAOC servers expressively forbidding buffing alts?

Ok. In that scenario, payment was not a factor. There was no P2W because the same “win” could be had without paying for it.

You've already answered this. Now explain why it has any relevance whatsoever to EVE.

It came from the alts. Which are apparently free to buy, fund and run of free computers, then. Do you agree?

Let me restate that the win in the scenario came from those alts.



Well, you should go and ask people who know (and care) those questions.[/quote]

But I thought you were an authority on P2W, what is it, what it isn't, when it is, when it isn't, what it provides, what it does not?

So maybe you could explain us why a free iteration of a twitch-based mmo expressively forbids the use of non-micro requiring buffing alts?

Nope. It came from the scouts.
Whether or not those scouts were alts makes no difference. No advantage was provided just because someone paid.

No “win” was caused by any kind of “pay” — the “pay” in your scenario was not required “2 win”. Thus: no P2W.

Nice strawman/ad hominem combo. Are you going to say what relevance it has for EVE or are you just going to keep piling up the fallacies?

Everything I said was 100% correct.
ISK provides only indirect advantages.
All PLEX does is provide a mild shortcut to ISK (I was not counting its use as game time because that in and of itself is not an advantage, as regular Subs and GTCs can do that too).
And since Pay to Win refers to paying RL money (at least in this universe), the PLEX that a person uses to sub (if bought on market) is free.

So the win was from the scouts — an advantage that can be had without having to pay for it.
The “win” was not caused by any kind of “pay” — no P2W.

Ah. So your rhetoric questions weren't actually rhetoric — just ignorant.
Well, I have provided you with a link. You can try that one if you want the answers. In the meantime, you can explain how it is in any way relevant to EVE. Your new question is just a new question; it doesn't explain anything.

Team A and Team B are each made of 10 players
5 of team B players control 3 alts each, 5 of those alts are static scouts/offgrid booster, the other 5 are fighting ships requiring little micro (snipers for example, warp in lock all and change target when it's down)
Team A has no alts, but has a fleet of 30 FRIENDS ships coming to help...which will be spotted by the static alts

How is that contrived? You're doing the contriving, bringing forces already in-system, as if the alt brigade wouldn't check this kind of stuff before engaging.

You can easily be a billionaire, and you can fund your accounts with isk, but you may as well not and just fund them through RL money. Some will even argue it's much simpler, funnier, and less of a bother.

This is why there's P2W, because it happens. Not everybody buys PLEX with isk to support their multiboxing.