EVE General Discussion

Then we can either make more isk, or pull it out of our trading alts wallet. Either way, you still haven't gained an advantage with your real life money that we can't also gain with ingame money.

The advantage is more isk for the richer dude. In the end, Warren Buffett wins.

Hence, P2W.

So stop whining and figure out how to make ISK rather than losing it? Check out the Making ISK guide.

This is EVE Online after all, and we can invoke Objectivism to explain why poor people are poor :P

You could start trying to define what it means to "pay to win". Then support that definition with examples, and test (or challenge) the definition with counter-examples. But then that might end up with a resolution to this discussion, and that wouldn't look good on your trolling record would it?

You're doing well, keep it up!

Then you would be willing to pay to avoid acquiring it in game, and I wouldn't. It doesn't mean that you are able to buy an advantage.

What happens if your credit card maxes at $1000 but I have 200b ISK? Are you then playing a pay to lose game?

As I said pages and pages ago, you need to stop:

- Using a straw man argument. Here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Straw_man
Or simply
- Using definitions of words that don't exist, specifically "win"
- Using specific examples without looking at the bigger picture

You do need to:
- Cite an example of being able to use money to gain an advantage, that makes it more likely you will win. The advantage granted cannot be something you can acquire in game.

I gave you this a few pages ago, and I will do so again. You will win the argument if you can complete the following:

"EvE is a pay to win game as I am able to use money to _________________ which players not paying money are unable to do"

It's really that simple, if you can complete the above statement about EvE, then you will have irrefutably won the discussion.

I much expect you to fail this, however, as it has been clear since page 2 that you do not have a single example of this.

I'll also note from your posts outside this thread (which are exclusively about how unfair alts are) that you have a serious issue with the specific case of alt accounts.

I therefore assume you lost a ship as a result of an offgrid booster and are now so butthurt you spend hours on a forum trying to make people believe their alts, which they didn't pay for, are pay to win.

The sad thing is the above example I gave you of how to avoid a couple of logical pitfalls and actually make a statement that speaks to the argument at hand is usually taught in the 8th grade, so good job on falling short there.

Of course, this is the internet, and your ilk think that simply saying something that looks like it might be related will actually speak to the argument at hand makes you clever, or in any way actually adds to the discussion. Any thinking person of sound mind would have concluded 15 pages ago that you do not have a position to actually argue.

It's a little harder to perceive, granted.

When you buy a PLEX, you are buying an in game item that has no in game uses or functions, it's only value in ISK is what other people are willing to pay for it, as it can be consumed to affect the real world (make your account last 30 days longer). The creation of the item itself does not change the EvE universe, specifically it does not create ISK (you cannot buy ISK) and no advantage can be gained by owning one.

If you were able to turn money directly into standings then you would be able to effect the game world using money, and in doing so would create an advantage.

Simply:

PLEX: Changes nothing about the gameworld, merely inspires someone to give you ISK for out of game reasons (time)
Standings: Avoids the gameplay elements that need to occur to affect the change normally.

I would accept the premise "a wealthy person is better able to win at the game" if you could cite me a method by which this is possible, which, in 20 odd pages, your side have been unable to do.

You do like to throw around pointless ad hominem attacks though, which is pretty much what I expected.

The internet has gotten silly since even the lowest educated persons have been shown how to use it.

OH LOOK I CAN MAKE THINGS UP TOO.

I see.

Say, errrr, out of a game a wealthy person doesn't have an advantage over you either because you could just work for 800 years to be able to afford his mansion and his yacht, right?

Despite me listing all the logical fallacies you and your friend keep faceplanting yourself into, you still keep on doing it. This is quite amazing, it really is.

So, once again, what in game advantage can money buy me?

So the answer is "none" then?

Are you able to intelligently state a position or do you want to play forum slap fights?