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plz remove Tengu from this game.
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Mercury Alar
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#1 - 2012-07-13 13:49:24 UTC
if u want to run mission ,fly tengu
if u want to get DED in high/low sec even in null sec(ninja) ,fly tengu

so tengu is PVE

it has broken the balance of this game

for the variety REMOVE IT.THX

Batelle
Federal Navy Academy
#2 - 2012-07-13 14:11:18 UTC
if u want sucky sucky, fly tengu

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Muad 'dib
State War Academy
Caldari State
#3 - 2012-07-13 14:14:54 UTC
tengu is the hulk of pve?

ban hulks too, as they are the best miners.

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Tor Gungnir
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#4 - 2012-07-13 14:31:32 UTC
Muad 'dib wrote:
tengu is the hulk of pve?

ban hulks too, as they are the best miners.


If there were three other Hulk-like ships that cost the same in time/cost your argument might have held water.

The reality is there aren't any,, so your argument is utter bovine faecal matter.

The thing about the Tengu is that it is part of the Strategic Cruiser group of ships and it vastly outperforms them all in terms of general PvE effectiveness.

Space. It seems to go on and on forever. But then you get to the end and a gorilla starts throwing barrels at you.
Effect One
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#5 - 2012-07-13 14:38:33 UTC
Tor Gungnir wrote:
Muad 'dib wrote:
tengu is the hulk of pve?

ban hulks too, as they are the best miners.


If there were three other Hulk-like ships that cost the same in time/cost your argument might have held water.

The reality is there aren't any,, so your argument is utter bovine faecal matter.

The thing about the Tengu is that it is part of the Strategic Cruiser group of ships and it vastly outperforms them all in terms of general PvE effectiveness.


Has that not been the case for missiles in general since the game started?

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FlinchingNinja Kishunuba
Crunchy Crunchy
#6 - 2012-07-13 15:29:36 UTC
Please CCP buff other Strat cruisers to stop the whine threads! Leave the Tengu alone!
Mercury Alar
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#7 - 2012-07-13 15:33:45 UTC
Muad 'dib wrote:
tengu is the hulk of pve?

ban hulks too, as they are the best miners.

hulk cannot get ice

tengu do every PVE stuff good

that's the prove
Jack Miton
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#8 - 2012-07-13 15:45:19 UTC
teng is only the simplest PVE ship, it isnt the best if you know what youre doing.

also, posting in lol thread, wooo!!!

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mxzf
Shovel Bros
#9 - 2012-07-13 15:54:41 UTC
Mercury Alar wrote:
hulk cannot get ice


When you post things so blatantly and completely wrong, we can only assume that either you shouldn't be posting to begin with because you don't know anything about what you're talking about or that you're trolling.

Either way, your idea has no merit whatsoever. Asking CCP to remove something from the game because it gets used is just crazy. Heck, why didn't people spend the last couple years whining about the Rifter being OP because everyone uses it?

People who whine about the Tengu aren't doing so because it's actually an issue, they're doing so because either they can't afford one or they can't be bothered to train into one (the reason Rifters didn't get whined about is that they're cheap and easy to skill for).
Muad 'dib
State War Academy
Caldari State
#10 - 2012-07-13 15:57:15 UTC
who would have thought that a heavily modifiable strategic cruiser would be able to modify its fitting and subsystems to be good at pve *gasp* Plus if you loose it to rats or players or concord you loose skill points, dont loose SP with a BS that does more damage.

Theres always gong to be the best, if the tengu cost 100m then it would be too good, but it costs a bunch and that IS a balance aspect.

No newb can just pick one up on day one and earn squillions of isk with it.

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Exploited Engineer
Creatively Applied Violence Inc.
#11 - 2012-07-13 16:05:32 UTC
Muad 'dib wrote:
who would have thought that a heavily modifiable strategic cruiser would be able to modify its fitting and subsystems to be good at pve *gasp*


Have you looked at the other three strategic cruisers recently?
NoNah
Hyper-Nova
#12 - 2012-07-13 16:09:43 UTC
Muad 'dib wrote:
who would have thought that a heavily modifiable strategic cruiser would be able to modify its fitting and subsystems to be good at pve *gasp* Plus if you loose it to rats or players or concord you loose skill points, dont loose SP with a BS that does more damage.

Theres always gong to be the best, if the tengu cost 100m then it would be too good, but it costs a bunch and that IS a balance aspect.

No newb can just pick one up on day one and earn squillions of isk with it.


ISK is just a currency and prices are set by markets and players. Since most of the components are unique for t3's there is no smaller unit. Long story short, a tengu "costs" roughly 7 mil isk and whatever players value their effort compared to demand(what players are willing to pay). A Raven costs roughly 110 million and whatever players value hteir effort

The point here is that the tengu is better than the other three strategic cruisers at everything pve, and still quite potent for pvp. Making anything else redundant as far as pve goes.

With all that said, the tengu isn't very good for quite alot of things, even if versatile. Most things pve is better done in something else, and there are numerous things the other t3's excel at.
CorInaXeraL
The Dresdeneers
#13 - 2012-07-13 16:26:05 UTC
The Tengu...

Never flown it. I have my ships that I prefer. Screw the Tengu, I don't need it, it don't need me. Cool

Besides, I hear it's quick to cheat behind your back. My little Deimos would never do that.


As with most games, there's always a FOTM, you can either hate the bandwagon, or stick to what you ENJOY regardless of being outperformed by something else. Next big game-change something else will take the Tengu's spot...and I'll still be flying whatever I want and not caring.
CanDor Kalel
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#14 - 2012-07-13 16:34:40 UTC
Mercury Alar wrote:
if u want to run mission ,fly tengu
if u want to get DED in high/low sec even in null sec(ninja) ,fly tengu

so tengu is PVE

it has broken the balance of this game

for the variety REMOVE IT.THX


Yeah tengu is truly pve. It is difficult to fly through low-sec. I have flown one on my alt. I was attacked by multiple bcs and survived. I mean multiple as in 5. Ha ha ha ha hah ha Well i was attacked by 5 bcs but i didnt survive
RavenPaine
RaVeN Alliance
#15 - 2012-07-13 17:14:59 UTC
Tengu is one of the ships that CCP got right.
We can't have every good ship getting axed because it happens to be 'working as intended'.

As for removing them:
I lost 4 in the past 5 weeks.CryCryCryCry I'm doing a great job of removing them, all by myself Oops

I can truly say, the ISK you make, is on par with the RISK you take.
And retraining skills is like a slap in the face for several days AFTER the actual loss.
Tor Gungnir
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#16 - 2012-07-13 17:17:40 UTC
RavenPaine wrote:

I can truly say, the ISK you make, is on par with the RISK you take.
And retraining skills is like a slap in the face for several days AFTER the actual loss.


The thing is this: the same is true for the other Strategic Cruisers as well! It is nothing unique to the Tengu. Shouldn't they also have rewards at the same level of the Tengu since they carry the same level of risk?

Space. It seems to go on and on forever. But then you get to the end and a gorilla starts throwing barrels at you.
Zhilia Mann
Tide Way Out Productions
#17 - 2012-07-13 17:19:17 UTC
Mercury Alar wrote:
if u want to run mission ,fly tengu
if u want to get DED in high/low sec even in null sec(ninja) ,fly tengu

so tengu is PVE

it has broken the balance of this game

for the variety REMOVE IT.THX


1) PvE is not what the game is balanced around in the first place, but even then...
2) I'll quote myself from, umm, two days ago:

Quote:
For high sec exploration I'd personally take a Loki over a Tengu but it's a somewhat close call. For low sec it really depends; usually Tengu or Proteus (which has seriously come in to its own with DDAs). For roaming in null you can definitely do better than a Tengu depending on which region you're in.

Legion and Loki for incursions.

Tengu for wormhole spider tanks, but Loki for C5/6 capital escalation support. Solo in wormholes seems to go whichever way you want.

But if you're talking about missions -- yeah, grab a Tengu. Or train a proper mission ship if you don't want to blitz for LP.

(Fake edit: I've never used a Tengu in missions. Nor do I plan to. Why bother when I have both a Machariel and a Nightmare that already barely see any use anymore.)


Yup. Tengu is not now and has never been the king of all PvE.
Ayeshah Volfield
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#18 - 2012-07-13 17:32:00 UTC
Popularity should never be a factor when it comes to balance.

EVE is what happens when the rule of law does not apply and Darwinism is allowed to run freely.
Tor Gungnir
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#19 - 2012-07-13 18:01:06 UTC  |  Edited by: Tor Gungnir
Ayeshah Volfield wrote:
Popularity should never be a factor when it comes to balance.


Popularity is a sign that something is imbalanced.

If people chose Spacesubmarine A over Spacesubmarine B, then there is an obvious issue here.

Space. It seems to go on and on forever. But then you get to the end and a gorilla starts throwing barrels at you.
Dread Varesk
Omnes Est Irritum
#20 - 2012-07-13 18:02:38 UTC
Mercury Alar wrote:
if u want to run mission ,fly tengu
if u want to get DED in high/low sec even in null sec(ninja) ,fly tengu

so tengu is PVE

it has broken the balance of this game

for the variety REMOVE IT.THX




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