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FW: one thread to rule them all

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Rengerel en Distel
#1 - 2012-07-12 23:53:55 UTC
Instead of multiple threads about how to fix FW, sometimes even with the same ideas being repeated as brand new thoughts, how about one thread for peoples' ideas? Perhaps if we can hash out fixes that are agreed upon globally, it'll have a better chance of making its way to the Devs.

I'm new to the whole thing, so I'll let the more experienced people deal with the major issues, but here are some that I'd change.

1) The FW celestial beacons should only show if you're in FW. They should be a new type that non-FW would have to scan down, with a signal strength that would take some skill to do it properly. I don't think they should be an easy means of pvp by roaming bands of pirates. I can't think of anything else in the game that tells everyone "Hey, I"m here!" just from being in the system. It's meant to be an indicator for the militias, not for everyone in the game.

2) The FW beacons should give an indication by changing icons if the plex is being defensively or offensively done. Perhaps a circle around the icon if defensive, and a X over it while offensive. I'd suggest a change in color too, but for colorblind mode, an icon change would work better.

3) The plex timers should reset when either side leaves. If you are plexing and get chased out, you've failed, and the other people shouldn't be punished with a longer timer for winning. Perhaps give a 2 min window or some such in case of disconnects.

4) When you defensive plex, the timer should be halved. There's little incentive already to defensive plexing, and the long timers for little gain just add to the people not wanting to do them. The standing gains should also be doubled. Make it something people will want to do, instead of something they'll do only if their stuff is in that system, or it's the home of an LP store.

5) Acceleration gates should limit both how big of a ship can enter a plex, as well as how small. Maybe you need atleast a cruiser to enter a medium, and a BC for a major. Perhaps the limit would only apply to offensive plexing, so you can still roam in whatever fleet to crash the plexes for pvp. Neutral pirates would count as offensive, and would have to have the correct ship type.

Any obvious holes i'm missing? More thoughts?

With the increase in shiptoasting, the Report timer needs to be shortened.

Kuehnelt
Devoid Privateering
#2 - 2012-07-13 01:52:22 UTC
Rengerel en Distel wrote:
1) The FW celestial beacons should only show if you're in FW. They should be a new type that non-FW would have to scan down, with a signal strength that would take some skill to do it properly. I don't think they should be an easy means of pvp by roaming bands of pirates. I can't think of anything else in the game that tells everyone "Hey, I"m here!" just from being in the system. It's meant to be an indicator for the militias, not for everyone in the game.


Faction Warfare isn't a feature running in its own server.

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4) When you defensive plex, the timer should be halved. There's little incentive already to defensive plexing, and the long timers for little gain just add to the people not wanting to do them. The standing gains should also be doubled.


If 0 is doubled, it's still 0. Do you mean that you want defensive plexing to award twice the VP of offensive plexing?

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5) Acceleration gates should limit both how big of a ship can enter a plex, as well as how small. Maybe you need atleast a cruiser to enter a medium, and a BC for a major. Perhaps the limit would only apply to offensive plexing, so you can still roam in whatever fleet to crash the plexes for pvp.


No blackbirds or arbitrators in majors? No griffins or crucifiers in mediums? A ten-man Thrasher gang won't be able to disturb the peaceful plexing of a single wartarget in a Rupture?

It's clear that what you really want to say here is "5) nerf the farmers somehow". This is not the way to do it.
Rengerel en Distel
#3 - 2012-07-13 02:19:43 UTC
Kuehnelt wrote:

Faction Warfare isn't a feature running in its own server.

I'm not sure what that has to do with anything. Each character has a flag that tells the game you're in FW. Instead of BASIC_CELESTIAL_BEACON they make FW_CELESTIAL_BEACON. If you're in FW, you see the new beacon, if not, you don't. You'd have to launch probes and scan it down.
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If 0 is doubled, it's still 0. Do you mean that you want defensive plexing to award twice the VP of offensive plexing?

I said standing gains, meaning standings with the milita, not VP or LP. Instead of gaining 0.4%, you'd gain 0.8%. Which would lead to quicker promotions, which lead to Empire gains. It's not a huge boost, but it's still something.
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No blackbirds or arbitrators in majors? No griffins or crucifiers in mediums? A ten-man Thrasher gang won't be able to disturb the peaceful plexing of a single wartarget in a Rupture?

It's clear that what you really want to say here is "5) nerf the farmers somehow". This is not the way to do it.

I think i mentioned that if someone is offensively plexing, you'd be able to take whatever gang you wanted into the plex. The offensive plexer has the size restriction, not the defenders. It would be a nerf to the farmers, but one i think atleast still allows them to farm, just adding more combat to it. If they're already combat fit, perhaps they'll be somewhat pvp fit as well, and not run because a rifter enters the site.

With the increase in shiptoasting, the Report timer needs to be shortened.

Cedo Nulli
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#4 - 2012-07-13 03:28:05 UTC
Not only you made yet another FW thread to clutter up the forum ... you allso had **** ideas to start it up with. Only the defensive plex timer and reward fix is something I could agree with.

Well done.
Azami Nevinyrall
172.0.0.1
#5 - 2012-07-13 04:13:32 UTC
Posting in a fail thread...

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Shadow Adanza
Gold Crest Salvage
#6 - 2012-07-13 05:22:45 UTC
I like tater tots.

Are you suggesting coconuts migrate?

Schalac
Apocalypse Reign
#7 - 2012-07-13 08:35:21 UTC
Anyone that disagrees with point 1 is in the "WHAAAAAAAA we need easy mode piracy because probes are too hard to use" category. You see those types of pirates in Tama and OMS, you know the ones that undock carriers and hot drop t1 frigs.

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Bad Messenger
Rehabilitation Clinic
#8 - 2012-07-13 08:58:41 UTC
no
Lock out
Shadows Of The Federation
#9 - 2012-07-13 10:43:51 UTC
Schalac wrote:
Anyone that disagrees with point 1 is in the "WHAAAAAAAA we need easy mode piracy because probes are too hard to use" category. You see those types of pirates in Tama and OMS, you know the ones that undock carriers and hot drop t1 frigs.



Bad Messenger wrote:
no


Confirming BM likes easy mode piracy.
Chav Queen
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#10 - 2012-07-13 11:17:05 UTC
I cant agree to that first point. Some of the most exciting plex action I had was when we had to flip Invicta's home system of Murethand.
Every plex capture was tense very tense. The pirates new exactly where we were and what we were doing and could drop in any second. It took half the Caldari militia to flip the bunker in that system.

Fact is you have to learn how to combat them in plexes,they hate minor plexes where they cant bring the bling and a well camped entry point will mess them up.
Another time we were capturing a major plex in Harul ( the 00 entry system I cant spell it.) and the local pirates warped in a Nyx !
That was when supers were brand new and our gang was like WTF !

Pirates can add a great unkown to FW we used to fly ships that went normaly under their radar but the bigger blobs would get destroyed.
I remember the day Mich's Dark Rising deployed to costolle on the sole purpose of halting the 22nd's plexing effort.
They arrived in huge ships to find the biggest thing we flew was a T1 cruiser. After they lost a couple of carriers and many more battleships to invicta who lived next door they realised why.

Our plexing effort continued un abated and they packed up left after a string of heavy losses to local pirates.
Great memories indeed !
Yuri Intaki
Nasranite Watch
#11 - 2012-07-13 11:28:59 UTC
Chav Queen wrote:
I remember the day Mich's Dark Rising deployed to costolle on the sole purpose of halting the 22nd's plexing effort.They arrived in huge ships to find the biggest thing we flew was a T1 cruiser. After they lost a couple of carriers and many more battleships to invicta who lived next door they realised why.


I think certain NAERY member still has Dark-Risings corp hangar stuff from the time they deployed to Esesier in another "This is where we shall halt the huns" moment.

Why they returned to FW I cannot say since only thing they seem have going for them is their corp member who permacamps Lititura in hopes of catching autopiloters.
Halete
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#12 - 2012-07-13 11:50:57 UTC
Schalac wrote:
Anyone that disagrees with point 1 is in the "WHAAAAAAAA we need easy mode piracy because probes are too hard to use" category. You see those types of pirates in Tama and OMS, you know the ones that undock carriers and hot drop t1 frigs.


Anyone that agrees with point 1 is in the "WHAAAAAAAAAAA we need easy mode plexing because flying ships with guns fitted is hard to do" category. You see those types of players in all FW systems, you know the ones that undock fast-align cloakies and speed-tank in frigs.



****-posting is easy.

"To know the true path, but yet, to never follow it. That is possibly the gravest sin" - The Scriptures, Book of Missions 13:21

Chav Queen
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#13 - 2012-07-13 11:53:14 UTC
I meant no disrespect to Mich,s corp btw. I admire their energy and drive and I think alot of other corps could do with a little of his pro active leadership qualities.
When they did some thing they did it on mass and they looked like they had real fun doing it.
My main point was really to say that pirates can work in your favour , not just against if you, if know how to play them, learn how to avoid them and lead your enemies right into them.

In our case yes DR tried to crack a nut with a sledgehammer but they did not exactly get much help from the other feds apart from Val Eran and his crew and of course the Q cats.
Yuri Intaki
Nasranite Watch
#14 - 2012-07-13 12:07:17 UTC
Chav Queen wrote:
I meant no disrespect to Mich,s corp btw.


I can assure you I did. Just another bunch of bored "Lol, we join Gallente side to farm n00bs from Caldari" people from nullsec because going willingly on the underdogs* side takes special kind of people which they are not, neither are most people in Eve

And after being humiliated by bad deployments and corp thefts which ended up purging many of the non-spies from their corp, slink away quietly and shout "lol, Fw is for n00bs, we were there only between 0.0 deployments so members would have something to shoot" if someone asks about it.

* Yes, Caldari are still outnumbered in fights and are currently being outplexed by the swarms of farming alts from Gallente and Matar
Rengerel en Distel
#15 - 2012-07-13 12:22:23 UTC
Cedo Nulli wrote:
Not only you made yet another FW thread to clutter up the forum ... you allso had **** ideas to start it up with. Only the defensive plex timer and reward fix is something I could agree with.

Well done.


Well, the idea as i stated was to keep the clutter in one thread. Discussing the ideas, and giving your own was also part of the plan. I guess it's a lot easier to just **** on the thread instead of contributing, as you and others have done.

With the increase in shiptoasting, the Report timer needs to be shortened.

Schalac
Apocalypse Reign
#16 - 2012-07-14 05:13:08 UTC
Halete wrote:
Schalac wrote:
Anyone that disagrees with point 1 is in the "WHAAAAAAAA we need easy mode piracy because probes are too hard to use" category. You see those types of pirates in Tama and OMS, you know the ones that undock carriers and hot drop t1 frigs.


Anyone that agrees with point 1 is in the "WHAAAAAAAAAAA we need easy mode plexing because flying ships with guns fitted is hard to do" category. You see those types of players in all FW systems, you know the ones that undock fast-align cloakies and speed-tank in frigs.



****-posting is easy.

Try to find me in a ship that is nano without guns or a cloak, unless I am in my SB. You can't do it. Neutrals should of never been able to see the FW beacons from the start. Not missions, not plexes, not even the bunker. They should of had to scan our sites out from the beginning. It was **** programming since the start of FW and CCP is just to lazy to add a flag to make it the way it should be.

If you want to pirate it you should have to scan it down just like every other plex/mission in the game. Simple as that.

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