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40-something mama trying Eve for the first time :-)

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Shalestina Sulistaine
The Elders Fleet
#1 - 2012-07-12 22:33:52 UTC  |  Edited by: Shalestina Sulistaine
Friendly greetings!

I'm a 43 year old mom of two, a game artist and a long time MMO fanatic. My first MMO experience was with Ultima Online in 1999 (some folks from the UO scene might remember me as Saphireena). I later played DaoC and AO before WoW came out. There, I created a guild for older folks called The Elders which is still going strong and has actually transformed into more than just one "guild in one game" - we've become a Facebook community of older roleplayers who share our lives and try out various MMOs together. For instance, last Dec we started playing SWTOR and now everyone is excited about The Secret World . GW2 is on the way as well.

However, my computer can't really handle most modern MMOs although I'd love to feel excited about one again. At first I thought my prayers had been answered with SWTOR, but the lack of exploration and the boring quest grind disappointed me hugely. Then last week... someone reminded me of Eve, so here I am! And what's best: my computer can handle it too, yay!

Over the years, I've actually tested out quite a few MMOs. Some held my interest for a few weeks ) Rift and Age of Conan) whilst others no more than a couple of hours ( DC Universe, LOTRO, EQ and Vanguard). I guess too much of a good thing has ruined MMOs for me and I've become very picky about the one I choose to invest my time and efforts in.

To be honest, I've become weary of the design template one tends to see again and again in MMOs these days. There is nothing innovative or original out there. I am sooo ripe for something completely different and am pretty sure there are a lot of MMO players out there who feel similarly. Well, Eve has proven to be exactly that. It's it's own beast and although there are wee bits and pieces that remind me of other MMOs, the core is completely unique. This is just what I needed. So far I'm absolutely amazed, inspired and hugely impressed. rarely does a new MMO have this sort of impact on me. In fact, only after 1 day I felt compelled to write a very long blog post about my first impressions:

http://mmobabble.wordpress.com/2012/07/06/eve-online/

And yesterday I created a fan site to gather my learnings as I go along. There is not much content yet of course, but for anyone who would like to compare the bloodline types in how faces compare, you might find my site handy.

http://www.andrea.net/eve/

It's wonderful and euphoric to feel so excited about this game. It could very well be a keeper. I hope more than anything that I will feel the same after the first months honeymoon is over.

The top 5 things that attract me about Eve:

  • Space exploration! During my lifetime I doubt I'll ever get the experience of actual space travel, so a virtual and fictional version is better than nothing, right? I was hoping we'd have something like this in SWTOR and be able to explore space and discover planets, but alas this is not so. So after such disappointment, Eve feels good indeed. Listening to the wonderful music and taking in the gorgeous graphics of the stars and nebulas is pure joy.

  • The Sandbox skill system. Ever since my old Ultima Online days (which works similarly), I've missed this way of training skills up freely in any way I please. The rigid class systems in current MMOs really suck, although I can understand why they'd be good for players who want to be led by the hand along a predefined path.

  • The element of danger, the possibility of good and bad - again - this is what UO used to be like in the old days: If you wanted to go out mining for the good stuff, you were at risk from being ganked by PKs (player killers). And as much as you hated dying and losing your stuff in the process - the thrill, the danger and the risk made it all worth it. Modern MMOs are so boring in this respect. Everything has become too easy and safe. In Eve, I also like that if I want to be evil, I can without breaking the rules and getting banned from the game. Back when I played UO I played a thief and would sneak around invisible, snoop people's bags and steal stuff. It was great fun! In Eve I will probably go for stealth ships once I get into the PvP stuff.

  • The amazing depth and detail of the game. There is just so much to learn, discover, tweak, master and to control. It is of course overwhelming for a beginner but I know this will keep my interest once I finally understand it all. It's an intellectual game, not so much a physical one, something I find both challenging and refreshing

  • And most of all: THE QUALITY. The game is clearly made with a lot of love. From everything like the superb graphics, to the wonderful music, sound effects and voiceovers to the game design itself. This makes me not only appreciate playing it, but it also gives me a sense of security in investing time and effort.


Now then, as a new player I have a few questions:

a) what is the ratio of male vs female players in Eve? When I was watching the Summerfest video , the way the text was formed ("Let your wives or friends enjoy the city's spa"), it felt like they were only catering to male players. I've come to this game assuming Eve is completely neutral on which gender it wants playing the game, I hope I am not wrong :-).

b) Does Eve have an item database similar to Wowhead.com for WoW? Of course looking at the attributes in info gives something, but I'm talking about stuff like a) Seeing where things can be found (where does a particular ore spawn, what NPCs drop what loot) b) whether an item is an ingredient for something.

For instance, I looted "Dairy Products" and now I have no idea what to do with it.
Lord Arakkis
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#2 - 2012-07-12 22:45:14 UTC
Welcome to EVE, im fairly new myself. And my moms not cool...she can only play pac man. While I cant fully answer your questions as a new person, Im fairly confident in saying that as long as EVE has been around, Im sure there is some dedicated site for the various mods, ships and the like somewhere to be found. So far the community here has been very helpful to me.

And for your first question...I wouldnt even speculate. I find it sooooo strange that guys actually want to play with female avatars. And with that, its hard to tell what is what online lol

Your still a child in the eyes of the universe

Rabit Lanky
Berkin Inc.
#3 - 2012-07-12 22:52:12 UTC  |  Edited by: Rabit Lanky
I'm reletively new as well so I can't speak to the Male/Female ratio but I have been using Evelopedia as the "wowhead" for Eve. It certainly isn't the same, mostly because Eve is so different, but you can at least look up modules, ships, and all the skills necessary for whatever you want to do.

I've found the forums are a very helpful place even if you are just browsing others' posts rather than creating your own.

Eve University also has some very helpful stuff if you feel like you aren't getting 100% of the stuff going on with a particular aspect of the game.



What games have you done art for?
Abdiel Kavash
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#4 - 2012-07-12 22:57:14 UTC  |  Edited by: Abdiel Kavash
You'll go far, very far in EVE.

I can't speak much for the gender ratio, but here's a link to the item database: http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Item_Database

As to where or how to get various items, browse the wiki for a while. The vast majority of items are made by players through industry. Some of the rarer modules are drops from NPCs in exploration sites or wormholes. The base materials to build stuff are mined from asteroids, moons, or planets. I believe that covers most of it.

The brilliant thing about EVE is that you as a player don't have to worry about any of this if you choose not to. There are no "soulbound" items, everything in the game can be bought and sold on the open market. So you only really need to invest in one or two professions to make yourself money, and just buy everything that you need for your career.
J'Poll
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#5 - 2012-07-12 22:57:28 UTC  |  Edited by: J'Poll
Welcome to EVE.

Hope you enjoy New Eden for a long time.

btw, interesting read.

As for the questions:

a.) Really no idea, mainly cause many female characters are males, many male characters are female. That is something a GM / DEV would have to answer.

b.) There are couple of out of game programs that could help you with stuff. These help but don't interact with EVE.

EVEHQ - My personal favorite. It has the ability to create skill plans, try out ship fits, an item database, industry calculations.

EFT - Short for EVE Fitting Tool, a program that you can use to try out ship fits.

EVEMON - Used to make skill plans



Then there are some 'need to have in your bookmarks' websites:

www.eve-central.com - for price checking, what sells where and for which price (or being bought).

www.eve-survival.org - walkthrough / help for missions

www.evemaps.dotlan.net - 3rd party map system (and IMO more clear to use).

http://www.ogrank.com/content/view/698/59/ - About rat resistances and what damage to tank / deal.

http://eve.grismar.net/ore/ - If you want to mine and want to know what ore is found where.


Useful guides:

http://isktheguide.com/ - Free PDF, large book with A LOT of info about almost anything

http://www.eve-wiki.net/?title=Haladas_Mining_Guide - The mining bible for most miners

http://www.eveuniversity.org/ - Has also got great guides etc.

* When in doubt, Google "EVE Online, how do I do xxx / EVE Online, what is xxx / etc". Likely someone asked it, someone has written a guide about it or maybe even made a Youtube video about it.

And don't forget this forum, New Citizens Q&A is quite helpful in having your questions answered. So are the ingame channels "Rookie Help" (only first 30 days of account) and "Help"

EDIT: btw, Dairy Products are NPC Trading goods, they are "useless" in any form other then be sold to NPCs on the market. The NPC Trading goods are there for new players to get easier entry into trading / hauling.

NPC seeded market:

- Skill books
- Vanilla Blueprint Originals
- Trade Goods

Player controlled market:

Anything Else

*You can spot a NPC order on the market from a Player order by looking at the time. NPC orders are always between 365 and 364 days (timers are resetted during downtime) where as Player orders can never be longer then 90 days.

Personal channel: Crazy Dutch Guy

Help channel: Help chat - Reloaded

Public roams channels: RvB Ganked / Redemption Road / Spectre Fleet / Bombers bar / The Content Club

Ssakaa
Animatar Foundation
#6 - 2012-07-12 22:59:49 UTC  |  Edited by: Ssakaa
A well-presented blog, easy on the eye. Welcome to EvE!

I see you're into roleplaying. If you head towards a sub-forum here, you'll locate the Intergalactic Summit, where roleplayers hang out, insult one another and discuss various topics of the day in-character only. What's interesting in your case, is that The Elder Fleet have a very canonical spot in the mythos of the Minmatar people and their endless struggles against the Amarr.

You could have some serious fun with that, if you wanted to, after you get your bearings.

At any rate, keep up the good work!

"Modern Life is Rubbish"

Peri Simone
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#7 - 2012-07-12 23:04:10 UTC
Hi Shalestina, welcome to Eve!

a) The population of New Eden is predominantly male. You might want to look up these fine folks if you ever feel like a break from Manly Chest Beating.

b) http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Item_Database
Rabit Lanky
Berkin Inc.
#8 - 2012-07-12 23:04:52 UTC
J'Poll wrote:
Welcome to EVE.

Hope you enjoy New Eden for a long time.

btw, interesting read.

.......



J'Poll is apparently awesome and answers every noob's question completely. <3 Thanks J'Poll!
Adam Junior
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#9 - 2012-07-12 23:11:20 UTC  |  Edited by: Adam Junior
Like so many video games, EVE is disproportionately male populated, though the average player is much older (last statistic I saw was 27). EVE does contain (and I have worked with) mothers of children, who in their spare time field capital ships.

Secondly there are several resources for eve info. The wiki linked above contains most of the item info but also:
http://games.chruker.dk/eve_online/default.php has accurate stats on every npc in the game. Note the loot tables are not public.
http://eve-survival.org has info on every mission and lots of other PvE content.
http://eve-central.com/ will let you check market prices from (all player driven) anywhere in the game.

Also if you love stealth ships the stealth bombers are incredibly cool. They are the size of frigates yet fields battleship-size missiles, along with a cloaking device they can warp with (you can cloak any ship but only warp in a few). They are excellent for disposing of the unsuspecting in larger ships (especially in groups).
gfldex
#10 - 2012-07-12 23:14:27 UTC
Shalestina Sulistaine wrote:
a) what is the ratio of male vs female players in Eve?


About 5% girls, the felt amount is much lower. I can count the number of female players I encountered on voice coms on two hands.

Shalestina Sulistaine wrote:
a) Seeing where things can be found (where does a particular ore spawn, what NPCs drop what loot)


There is no real need for drop location databases. Items are more or less grouped by faction and drop chance is governed by location. (office mods drop in 0.0 from officers, dead space items drop in complexes, cosmos stuff drops in cosmos missions ...)

Shalestina Sulistaine wrote:
b) whether an item is an ingredient for something.


You can look that up in the static data dump. l337 SQL skills may or may not be required.

If you take all the sand out of the box, only the cat poo will remain.

J'Poll
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#11 - 2012-07-12 23:17:04 UTC
Adam Junior wrote:
Like so many video games, EVE is disproportionately male populated, though the average player is much older (last statistic I saw was 27). EVE does contain (and I have worked with) mothers of children, who in their spare time field capital ships.

Secondly there are several resources for eve info. The wiki linked above contains most of the item info but also:
http://games.chruker.dk/eve_online/default.php has accurate stats on every npc in the game. Note the loot tables are not public.
http://eve-survival.org has info on every mission and lots of other PvE content.
http://eve-central.com/ will let you check market prices from (all player driven) anywhere in the game.

Also if you love stealth ships the stealth bombers are incredibly cool. They are the size of frigates yet fields battleship-size missiles, along with a cloaking device they can warp with (you can cloak any ship but only warp in a few). They are excellent for disposing of the unsuspecting in larger ships (especially in groups).


About loot drops.

Recently CCP changed some stuff in loot drops (no more Drone Alloys and no more T1 - meta 0 loot) so some websites could be out of date on that part.

And also keep in mind, loot drops are completely random. Sometimes rats drop shite loot where as the other time they drop really good loot. That is one of the things in EVE you just have to have some bit of luck with.

Personal channel: Crazy Dutch Guy

Help channel: Help chat - Reloaded

Public roams channels: RvB Ganked / Redemption Road / Spectre Fleet / Bombers bar / The Content Club

Xercodo
Cruor Angelicus
#12 - 2012-07-12 23:49:25 UTC
According to what I've heard CCP say there is a dismal 95/5 male to female ratio in EVE.

But fear not! There are groups of females that band together into their own little communities to keep their sanity.

They tend to make great spys, esPECIALLY if you do voice coms cause that makes you that much more convincing xD.

The Drake is a Lie

Velarra
#13 - 2012-07-12 23:51:57 UTC
Shalestina Sulistaine
The Elders Fleet
#14 - 2012-07-13 00:10:55 UTC
Goodness! What a delightfully warm welcome from the community! Thank you very much everyone!

Lord Arakkis: Thanks! Hehe well I actually created a male avatar too, just because the character creation system was so fun :-).

Rabit Lanky: Yeah I've been sniffing about Evelopedia. But for instance in the case of Dairy Products, Evelopedia was of little use. I know this as an item (versus say a ship part), seems mundane and unimportant... I mean all it is, is a carton of milk, right? But how can I know? In WoW, items would be marked by color. Grey items could be sold off to vendors no problemo and served no use. White items however, meant that the item is useful for something and most likely and ingredient. I find that in Eve my storage is starting to fill up with a whole slew of items that I dare not throw away or put up on the market because I'm not sure if I'll need them. As silly as it feels to keep something as seemingly unimportant as "Dairy Products", who knows - it may just be a rare ingredient to a formula I'll find myself using next week to create something I actually need. As a new player, I really cannot know. Had this been WoW and Wowhead, I would have been able to immediately check whether Dairy Products are used in a recipe to create say pancakes that give a magical bonus for an hour, or whether it's an item that has no use and can just be vendored. But Eve does not have a vendor store, does it? Am I to assume that a) all buying and selling action happens in the market and that b) every single itsy bitsy item in Eve has some use for something?

Thanks btw for the Eve University link, I haven't been there yet. However I've been watching Seamus Donohue's "How to survive" videos on YouTube and they've been a LIFE SAVER!

I work for Digital Chocolate which is currently focused on social games in Facebook etc. Here are some samples of what I've done. I'm hoping to move into MMO development in the future though, since it's such a huge passion.

Abdiel Kavash: Thank you for your encouraging words! I'm hoping this game will be a good fit for me :-).

And indeed, I really appreciate the lack of "soulbound" items as well. That has always been something that gave me stress in previous MMOs.

J'Poll: Thank you for the welcome and all of those scrumptious links and bits of information! I can see there is a ton of info out there, really nice of you to gather this "starters" pack. Trying to find info on your own when you are new to such an old game (that has had changes done to it and probably a lot of outdated stuff) can be bewildering.

Ssakaa:Ah thank you for the Summit tip! I shall be sure to venture there once I find my bearings. And I had no idea about the Elder Fleet being part of the lore. Obviously since the guild I've run in WoW etc has been called "The Elders" for years, that was my first choice when setting up a corp, but the name was already taken and I had to make a plan B. So I thought to myself that since we're flying ships in this game, it should be a fleet of some kind. Thus The Elders Fleet and with an "s". But now knowing that "The Elder Fleet" is part of the lore, freaks me out a bit! I've never been much of a fan of people representing themselves or their guilds as something that was already in the lore. It's always seemed a bit arrogant to me. And now I'm actually worried that if someone sees "The Elders Fleet", not only will they assume that I am referring to the in game lore version, but that I even spelled it wrong - doubly crass. Argh! I wonder if one can change the name of a corp after founding it. If not, is there any time penalty or anything if I shut this corporation and create a new one?

Peri Simone: Ooooo I hadn't heard yet of WGOE! Thank you for the link!

Adam Junior: Thank you for the information and links! And I'll definiately have to look into those stealth bombers, thanks for the tip!

gfldex: I'm surprised there are so few women in Eve, because at the end of the day - all of those 5 top reasons I like Eve, are things that any gender would enjoy and appreciate. And does Eve have to change in any way what so ever to attract more female players? Not at all, it's perfect the way it is (at least so far it feels that way). In fact I really appreciate the fact that the game feels extremely equal and gender neutral to me. As an example, the way avatars are. In a lot of games male avatars would have full body suit armor where females would have skimpy sexy stuff, but in Eve it's all very mature and sensible. In other games there would be a focus on making females very sexualized compared to the males, where as in Eve it's completely and utterly equal in that respect as well. I love that I can modify my female avatar's breasts to be small, large, set far apart or together, high or low - but what's awesome is that I can do the exact same thing to the male character as well.

So basically there is absolutely nothing about the game that is pushing possible female players away. My guess is that they just haven't discovered it yet, hah! Now if only that Summerfest text would have been "families enjoying spas instead of wives" :-).

Xercodo: Hehe, well so far I've been greeted with nothing but friendly open arms in the Eve community, not only in the in game chats and now here as well, so I hope I won't ever feel like I need to band up with the girls. Then again, I haven't yet experienced the voice chat scenarios in pvp battles, so who knows how I'll feel in the future. I am hoping however to lure my guildies into the game. So far around 10 of them are now trying the trial and going through the "How to survive" video walkthroughs. Our community is around 60% male and 40% female. Most in their late 30's, 40's and 50's.
Shalestina Sulistaine
The Elders Fleet
#15 - 2012-07-13 00:11:51 UTC
Thank you very much Velarra!
Abdiel Kavash
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#16 - 2012-07-13 00:23:11 UTC
I don't think it's so much there being few girls/women playing EVE, as simply fewer playing MMOs and computer games in general. I don't think EVE has a significantly lower female population compared to other MMOs.
Abdiel Kavash
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#17 - 2012-07-13 00:32:53 UTC  |  Edited by: Abdiel Kavash
Shalestina Sulistaine wrote:
Rabit Lanky: Yeah I've been sniffing about Evelopedia. But for instance in the case of Dairy Products, Evelopedia was of little use. I know this as an item (versus say a ship part), seems mundane and unimportant... I mean all it is, is a carton of milk, right? But how can I know? In WoW, items would be marked by color. Grey items could be sold off to vendors no problemo and served no use. White items however, meant that the item is useful for something and most likely and ingredient.


Dairy Products in particular are part of a group called Trade Goods. Most of these are sold and bought by NPCs, and they are supposed to get new players started with trading. The (more or less) stable prices of these goods provide a consistent, but comparably low income if you can buy them low and sell high.

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I find that in Eve my storage is starting to fill up with a whole slew of items that I dare not throw away or put up on the market because I'm not sure if I'll need them. As silly as it feels to keep something as seemingly unimportant as "Dairy Products", who knows - it may just be a rare ingredient to a formula I'll find myself using next week to create something I actually need. As a new player, I really cannot know.


That's fine. Sell it. Use the money to buy a better ship and make even more money. If you find out you need it later, you can just buy it again. Money that's sitting in your hangar (or tied in items) is not money that's making you more money.

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Had this been WoW and Wowhead, I would have been able to immediately check whether Dairy Products are used in a recipe to create say pancakes that give a magical bonus for an hour, or whether it's an item that has no use and can just be vendored.


That's something I also like - there is no single source of information about everything there is. There is always room for learning about different areas of the game. Even after playing for three years - I know vaguely how manufacturing works, but I couldn't really tell you what all the different components are or where they fit into the process. "Trade skill" is a real thing you will learn, not just a number in your character sheet or a few pages of a guide to read.

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But Eve does not have a vendor store, does it? Am I to assume that a) all buying and selling action happens in the market and that b) every single itsy bitsy item in Eve has some use for something?


Buying and selling happens mostly on the market, yes. The vast majority of orders is issued by other players. NPCs only sell and buy very specific goods, such as skillbooks, blueprints, or the above mentioned trade goods. An easy way to tell an NPC order is to look at the duration: NPC orders have a duration of close to 360 days. The longest a player order can be issued for is 90 days.

That being said, the vast majority of items does have a use for someone somewhere - even if it's just reprocessing it into minerals. If you head to a trade hub near you, you will find buy orders for everything you might loot from NPCs. So you can in essence "vendor" all the trash loot that you don't have use for.

There are also contracts which are only issued by other players, there are direct trades between two players in the same station, and some business is done out of game through the buy and sell forums here.
ShahFluffers
Ice Fire Warriors
#18 - 2012-07-13 00:40:38 UTC  |  Edited by: ShahFluffers
While I am pleased with all of the heartwarming welcomes and friendly info... I guess I should be the one to warn the OP of the "darker" side of EVE and one of the primary reasons this game is not as popular as it quite honestly should be.

You remember all of the "bad" things in pre-Trammel Ultima Online? PKing, thefts, scrams, subterfuge, no one was "safe," etc.? Take all those things and dope them with crack.
- You can kill anyone in the game, anywhere in the game (yes, even "high-security" space), for any reason (profit, vendetta, "looked at him funny," and/or "tears").
- You can steal from people or organizations you are a part of, leaving dozens... even thousands of players... destitute and defenseless.
- You can pay off a disaffected ally of your enemy for info or more.
- The only people who can really defend you are yourself and other players. NPCs don't care what happens to you so long as no rules are broken. And when rules are broken, they only punish the offender. Nothing more. Nothing less.

That said... there are a few "rules" and "pointers" the EVE community jokingly tosses around...
- Never fly what you cannot afford to lose.
- Never buy what you cannot use.
- Don't wait for skills to train before doing something. Try doing it anyways. Unless it is a "specialty skill" like hacking or probing, all character skills do is make it easier to perform certain actions.
- PvP occurs in stations too. It is called The Market. Every player is trying to buy the cheapest items they can while selling their merchandise for the highest price. And there are no rules preventing someone with a lot of money buying out the whole market and fixing prices.
- T2 is not a "minimum baseline" for being effective. Cheap, T1 ships and equipment can be equally devastating if used correctly.
- There is no such thing as "opting out" of PvP. You're stuck with us and us with you.

edit:
Cthulhu ftghan wrote:
You fit your ship wrong. Again. That’s right, you always will. “My Punisher killed that Rifter! This is certainly the right fit. No wait, how did that Coercer kill me? I need to refit…”

Check your directional.

Check your local.

That Maller is a trap.

Warp stabilizers might save you today. They won’t tomorrow, and probably won’t ever again.

Inject your skillbook before you leave the station. Neo didn’t learn Kung-Fu by having it sit in his usb drive.

Bookmark everything. ESPECIALLY when you jump into a wormhole. This includes where you came into the wormhole. Because when you are busy scanning and a HAC targets your Arbitrator, you will be in a pod. And then you will have a really interesting time getting out of WH space.

Keyboards are destructible. Much more so when used as a projectile.

That mentally challenged fellow there in local chat calling you names? He’s not mentally challenged. Nor is he forgiving when he finds you.

Pods pop easily.

Concord delivers swift justice, especially for your mistakes, like targeting friendly pods and clicking the wrong action.
Xercodo
Cruor Angelicus
#19 - 2012-07-13 00:48:48 UTC
Here is also a nice PDF Reference Guide for damn near everything
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/6781003/EvE/Quick%20Reference%20Sheet%20by%20Korgan%20Nailo.pdf

The Drake is a Lie

Forest Archer
State War Academy
Caldari State
#20 - 2012-07-13 00:51:10 UTC
Can't say for percentages of male vs. female players in eve I do know there is a coalition of female eve players (they are not part f a specific corp but they have channels and comm) I believe it is called women of eve or women in eve.

As to where items can be found or uses for the most part it's pretty generic, faction mods come from faction spawns or lp store, dead space mods are from dead space complexes, officer loot from officers. Though items like janitors are used in outpost construct. Some are not very useful others none at all but google becomes your friend when playing eve and there are a lot of third party programs.

If you have any questions feel free to mail me or post here, I may blow you up but I'm not a bad guy, and always willing to share my knowledge.

Always willing to help all you have to do is ask, though if you're in the other fleet I may not help the way you want. Just a heads up. Pub Channel: Lost Souls Trading Post

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