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Hulk Miner (High Sec) Needs an Alt
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Kandee Kane
Doomheim
#1 - 2012-07-12 06:24:00 UTC
Hi all,

I'm trying to find out my best option for an alt. I currently solo mine in high second in a t2 hulk, and have research/Manufacturing interests long term. I have about 3.5b isk to buy/invest in things (bpo?) As well.

Could someone give me some advice?

Cheers
Barrak
The Painted Ones
#2 - 2012-07-12 07:13:35 UTC
If you are not supporting a combat character then in my view you have two options:


  1. Try something brand new that bears no relation to what you currently do. (trader/combat/PI)
  2. Do something that supports your current character. ie use the minerals you mine to make something or create another character that you can mine with. If you are already mining, mining with two characters is virtually no extra work and you double your money


For me, your choice about supporting or not is the first thing you need to deal with, after than, it should all just fall into place.

Regards

Barrak
Kandee Kane
Doomheim
#3 - 2012-07-12 07:26:03 UTC
Thanks for the reply. My main goal is a self-sufficient long term production operation. Paying for game time and amassing wealth.

A Hauler alt would be more secure when mining (I'd be running dual clients btw).

However, it doesn't add much in the way of increased ISK, maybe 40 percent more.
Corvus Borealis
AUS-BadBadNotGood
#4 - 2012-07-12 08:02:42 UTC
40% isn´t much? Shocked
Kandee Kane
Doomheim
#5 - 2012-07-12 08:39:10 UTC
Corvus Borealis wrote:
40% isn´t much? Shocked


I suppose it is an increase, however if I make an alt that does the exact same thing as what I'm doing now it'd be 100 percent of what I'm making now.

I'm ideally looking for something that would give similar return but NOT be another mining barge.

Cheers :)
Amera Khan
Regiment Of Naga Association
OnlyFleets.
#6 - 2012-07-12 09:25:50 UTC  |  Edited by: Amera Khan
could save up for a orca alt.

I'm not sure how long a orca pilot is to train from scratch. Evemon says like 2 months but I don't know.

Anyways, the alt can haul ore while training, meanwhile you can save up for the orca.

I heard someone say they put their hulk and orca in the belt and the orca remote reps the hulk. Protecting against gank and the orca will also want to have its own tank as well. This secures you're hulk and the orca also collects you're ore. You can keep training the alt towards leadership bonuses which make mining easier for you.

I use Bpcs to build stuff.

This advice is with highsec noob alt corp mining in mind.

0.0 is a different story.



I guess if i did this. I'd use a covetor since the orca will be my personal jet can.
Steve Ronuken
Fuzzwork Enterprises
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#7 - 2012-07-12 09:30:29 UTC
Well, start a hauler (low initial training time), then PI, then train the 2 alts for PI and manufacture. Then update the primary alt for manufacture as well?

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Victoria Sin
Doomheim
#8 - 2012-07-12 09:59:34 UTC
I started out with a combat char that could mine a bit (not maxed out at all) and then created a new character and trained that up for mining and hauling. Then I worked out that with these two characters mining, it would be better to have a third character to do the hauling for them (!). So I trained up a 3rd character to do that. Eventually these two new characters maxed out mining and hauling, so the first (main) character switched to Orca and continued doing combat/leadership skills. So now my main character hasn't mined for about 4 years, but instead hauls (with Orca) and provides support/leadership for the mining gang. Recently I started another brand new character, primarily for blueprint copying/running my POS, but I know for sure that I'll train her up for mining too, so I can then support 3 x Hulk/Skiff/Mack + Orca or Rorqual.

The new alts have also maxed out production/research for getting datacores, doing invention and building stuff. Eventually I'll have 3 characters running the production side of things. I put up a large POS to support them, with 8 labs and lots of production arrays.

So the process is something like this for me with alts:

Hauling
Mining
Research
Production

The first alt is also almost maxed for exploration and is able to fly HACs (Ishtar for exploration), so he's really useful for doing PVE content like anoms and so on. I gave him scanning implants for that.

Basically the philosophy is to cover as many PvE bases as possible with one character (my first) PvP capable so I don't miss out on that side of things. It's really hard to dual box in PvP and much easier in PvE, so that's why I only have one out of 4 trained towards that side of things.
Styth spiting
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#9 - 2012-07-13 21:23:10 UTC
If you mine an Orca is the next logical choice. An orca can haul, give boosts (increase hourly yield), you can mine directlly into it (no can flipping, save time solo hauling) and in most cases in highsec people tend to ignore dual boxing miners (with orca/hulk combo) because of the extra boosts the hulk gets from the Orca.

The addition of an Orca pilot personally was the greatest decision I made in this game IMO. Everything becomes easier, faster and safer (in regards to highsec life).

The big downside with an orca is that yes you can train into it within 2 months, but there are so many skills you need in addition. Low navigation skills are a nightmare, you need high tank skills for defense, and then boosting skills can take forever.

If you want to do a manufacturing alt you'll want to train trade skills as well (lower tax/broker fees, more ability to sell, etc).

In either case, or which ever new alt you decide to go with it is always a good idea to train up to Advanced lab op's. This will give you 9 slots to use for ME research, so if 6 months down the road you decide to start training research skills you'll have a nice collection of all ready trained BPO's. Because I'll tell you one thing, it will take months to research enough BPO's without a POS.
Zyella Stormborn
Green Seekers
#10 - 2012-07-14 07:09:32 UTC
I went with Orca / leadership first on my alt. Then got him Freighter, then Salvage. Now I'm working on Logi for him.

It depends on what you intend to do with them and how often you intend to use em. For example, I only use him when I am mining and / or hauling and doing Missions (as salvager). I only single-char play when I pvp or explore, but some players multi-box.

I am told that if you intend on doing production, having multiple chars is very good for that, but I don't know much in that regards.

There is a special Hell for people like that, Right next to child molestors, and people that talk in the theater. ~Firefly
Corvus Borealis
AUS-BadBadNotGood
#11 - 2012-07-14 15:32:09 UTC
Why wouldn´t you join into corporation instead of mining alone with your alts?
Victoria Sin
Doomheim
#12 - 2012-07-14 18:37:25 UTC
Corvus Borealis wrote:
Why wouldn´t you join into corporation instead of mining alone with your alts?


Mining with corpies is good in null where the gravs are enormous, but in high sec when mining lows it's not hard to completely strip belts. It's a pain in the arse to experience a cluster **** there. Null it's not so bad.
Zyella Stormborn
Green Seekers
#13 - 2012-07-15 00:26:17 UTC
Corvus Borealis wrote:
Why wouldn´t you join into corporation instead of mining alone with your alts?



I do mine with corp mates when able. However,
a) its a smaller corp.
b) they are not always on and mining when I am.
c) they are not always in same system as I am.
d) they may or may not be off pvping when I am mining (or don't have time to pvp, etc).


Options are a wonderful thing. Big smile

There is a special Hell for people like that, Right next to child molestors, and people that talk in the theater. ~Firefly
Dorian Wylde
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#14 - 2012-07-15 00:34:47 UTC
Victoria Sin wrote:
Corvus Borealis wrote:
Why wouldn´t you join into corporation instead of mining alone with your alts?


Mining with corpies is good in null where the gravs are enormous, but in high sec when mining lows it's not hard to completely strip belts. It's a pain in the arse to experience a cluster **** there. Null it's not so bad.



We enjoyed stripping the belts, we'd always try to find a system that hadnt been touched in a while and see how fast we could empty it.
Mara Rinn
Cosmic Goo Convertor
#15 - 2012-07-15 05:33:33 UTC
Rather than logistics, you might look at training the Orca/hauler alt into command ships/T3s. Train your main in logistics, and then if you get into Incursions or other PvP you'll have the Leadership-laden alt flying a command ship or booster T3.

While the main is busy training Shield Emission Systems and what not, the support alt can be training Retail, Daytrading, Margin Trading, etc. While the main is busy training the various ore refining skills (to fly a Hulk, for example), the support alt can be training Research and various invention support skills. Two entirely different but complementary skill paths.

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Tikera Tissant
#16 - 2012-07-15 12:21:24 UTC
Kandee Kane wrote:
Thanks for the reply. My main goal is a self-sufficient long term production operation. Paying for game time and amassing wealth.

A Hauler alt would be more secure when mining (I'd be running dual clients btw).

However, it doesn't add much in the way of increased ISK, maybe 40 percent more.


On paper an Orca alt "only" adds about 50% to the yield while mining, but it also saves you all the time you spend flying back and forth to the station to unload, meaning it really adds a hell of a lot more in efficiency overall.

Also that alt can be trained for PI for some extra passive income, and a freighter to move all your goods.
And when bored, you can use the orca alt as a base of operations to do explorations and so on.
Jamagh
Grand Violations
#17 - 2012-07-15 13:43:21 UTC  |  Edited by: Jamagh
I was in your position years ago on my main. Was mining, got tired of making the run back and forth. Made a second account, started training to fly a mammoth, then worked on getting into an orca on that character. After a bit, made a third account an trained that character to fly a hulk. Not only did I go for mining on those characters, my orca pilot has some skills in combat, to do missions for standings, but is becoming a fleet commander. The third account is not active at the moment due to not having enough time to play as much as I would like to. But my main, I can do missions, mine, mess with the POS even do PVP if I can be bothered. Never understood the thrill of it... but hey, if you like it... go for it.


Forgot to add, if I ever get my RL back in order, I plan to make a fourth account just to haul the ore. Just so I don't lose the boosts when I warp back to unload.

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Himnos Altar
An Errant Venture
#18 - 2012-07-15 13:51:13 UTC
Kandee Kane wrote:
Corvus Borealis wrote:
40% isn´t much? Shocked


I suppose it is an increase, however if I make an alt that does the exact same thing as what I'm doing now it'd be 100 percent of what I'm making now.

I'm ideally looking for something that would give similar return but NOT be another mining barge.

Cheers :)


send me all your ISK and I'll send you back double.

that's 100 percent more.

seems to fit in with your criteria.



Pip Pip, Where's my damn Cheerios???

his ass is fired.
Dave Stark
#19 - 2012-07-16 14:55:36 UTC
Tikera Tissant wrote:
Kandee Kane wrote:
Thanks for the reply. My main goal is a self-sufficient long term production operation. Paying for game time and amassing wealth.

A Hauler alt would be more secure when mining (I'd be running dual clients btw).

However, it doesn't add much in the way of increased ISK, maybe 40 percent more.


On paper an Orca alt "only" adds about 50% to the yield while mining, but it also saves you all the time you spend flying back and forth to the station to unload, meaning it really adds a hell of a lot more in efficiency overall.

Also that alt can be trained for PI for some extra passive income, and a freighter to move all your goods.
And when bored, you can use the orca alt as a base of operations to do explorations and so on.


highly reccomending orca alt. fleet boosts, the best non-freighter hauler, very versatile ship.
yes, a second hulk is worth more than an orca in a 2 man operation, however orcas require mining barge V so you're most of the way to a hulk anyway.
not to mention if you train for the orca you're half way to both the mining foreman mindlink and the hulk. solo mining you have one hulk, with two accounts you have two hulks, and the 15% yield fleet bonus if you train for the mind link. if you end up with a third account you've already got an orca and another hulk will give you 2 hulks, gang link bonuses and the 15% yield bonus.

i honestly don't think you'll regret training for an orca if your main character is heavily industrial based.
Styth spiting
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#20 - 2012-07-17 19:10:01 UTC
Zyella Stormborn wrote:
I went with Orca / leadership first on my alt. Then got him Freighter, then Salvage. Now I'm working on Logi for him.

It depends on what you intend to do with them and how often you intend to use em. For example, I only use him when I am mining and / or hauling and doing Missions (as salvager). I only single-char play when I pvp or explore, but some players multi-box.

I am told that if you intend on doing production, having multiple chars is very good for that, but I don't know much in that regards.


Very similar to my first alts setup. Trained him to be a good indy hauler, then orca. Then it was an easy few days to a noctis and with all the indy skills into a blockade runner. And at this point a freighter was an easy few days of training.
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