EVE General Discussion

You're assuming that capsuleers are people and that their “person” reside in their bodies (specifically, their brains). They aren't, and they don't.

Capsuleers are infomorphs — a digitised conciousness that merely uses a clone as a wetware mainframe (and the process of digitisation fires the original brain and/or consciousness anyway). They are immortal in much the same sense as your OS is immortal (which mainly means that the term isn't really applicable to begin with). You can't really die — at most you can be “lost” or “irrecoverable”.

I 100% agree. In Star Trek (as example) they never actually tell you what happens to your original body. There, in Star Trek, they say that the transporter and the replicating devices are based on the same technology. So when you order a cup of coffee at a replicator you may as well -as i see it- be consuming the left over particles of an earlier transport of your wife. Kinda ....

For the you to be the same you... and thus have the same conciousness,... all your original body particles that are within your original body.... would not need to be transported to the end location. To say "the transported body is you" In Startrek this does not matter. You do not need the original material.

I dont remember Star Trek ever explaining though,... how you get materialized at the end-location, ...

Star Trek has a problem with this ..... Let me explain.

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In some episode (dunno the name of the episode) Riker had an issue. Many years before the ship he was on crashed (or something) on a planet. Another spaceship BEAMED him out,... but during the process, due to odd atmospherical circumstances, a copy of his transport signal was made. One copy was beamed back to the planet and another was beamed to the spaceship. So assuming he was 80 kilograms from the start,.. the end result was 160 kilograms of Riker spread out over 2 persons, both thinking they are the original Riker,... as they both had the same consciousness (at the point of beaming). Never explained ofcourse is where the extra 80 kilograms of Riker came from, or why the transporter-chief beaming Riker out, missed it. But on the matter of consciousness,... that does not matter. It is a mere material thing. Both Rikers thought they were the real mccoy.

In an Voyager episode. Tuvok and Neelix get merged during the transport process,... because they were mixed with some kinda metamorphic plant (if I recalll correctly)... creating a new concious and person who ended up naming himself Tuvix and walked around The Voyager for several weeks, before the Doctor found a way to undo it all.
Where did the weight loss go too? To further make it odd,... they eventually were succesfull in seperating the new being named Tuvix, into their original "parts", being Neelix and Tuvok. Both though recalled the Tuvix period clearly. Two minds becomming one, walking around for a while and ending up being two persons again.

So it seems that the Star Trek transporter atleast,.... is most of all a device that transports the consciousness, not the original body parts, molecules or whatever. Such technology could be used to prolong life. If as in Star Trek,... the mind is seperated from the body,.... why bother with death?

The transporter at some point was actually used as a way to prolong life. OG pimping Montgomery E. Scott (Scotty), from the OG series with Kirk, appeared in the Next Generation, when they discovered a Dyson sphere.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Relics_%28Star_Trek:_The_Next_Generation%29

He crashed on the sphere while on his way to his retirement,... and he used the transporter -putting it in a continues loop- to stay alive.

Many decades later, they rematerialized Scotty (in the Next Generation episode). He was the only one to survive. The pilot's patern (I think he was the pilot of the shuttle, not sure) had decraded to much in the transport buffer, for him to be "beamed" back from the loop.

Anyway ... in Startrek it clearly is a technological thing. When you get beamed, your original body gets destroyed and moved into the transport buffer. The information in the buffer is used to remake your body together with your consciousness somehow.

Your consciousness survives it seemingly. But as the Riker episode shows,... it is not exclusive.

I think when you get BEAMED in Star Trek,... your original part dies,.... and you just get a new copy with all the same functions. ... But IMHO... it is not the original you.

I'd take a shuttle.

You need to get laid, brohammer.

You are...what you eat....

Also, a flute with no holes is not a flute, a donut with no hole is a danish...

I hope that clears things up for all parties.

You're welcome 0/