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MotherMoon
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
#41 - 2012-07-12 11:54:34 UTC
ACE McFACE wrote:
Twulf wrote:

Does it have more Vehicles than BF3? I would be shocked if it did.

At least a similar amount, lets work it out shall we?

BF3:
2 kinds of Tanks (one per team)
2 kinds of APCs
1 of those ugly swimming tanks
3 Jets
4 Helicopters
2 Anti-Air Vehicles
and either 3 or 4 LAVs
Oh and 1 type of boat

Thats 18-19 kinds of vehicles

DUST514:
4 Tanks, plus 4 Marauders (Better higher skill requirement tanks)
4 Dropships and 4 more advanced versions
4 LAVs and 4 Advanced logi LAVs
4 Fighters
4 MTACs, Mech suit things

Now even if we dont count the advanced vehicles thats 20 Vehicles, and probobly more to come (good luck trying to capture an Oceanic planet without boats)


AND your forgetting that each of those tanks can be fix just as many different ways as eve ships. And aren't limited to one race weapon. So you can have a minmatar tank with ammar lasers. And you can use the minmatar tank for it's advanced speed. Or go ammar for a solid armor tank.

If eve could find it's niche, this game can find at least as many players. Come on now.

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Twulf
Purple Void Corporation
LinkNet
#42 - 2012-07-12 13:35:49 UTC
MotherMoon wrote:
ACE McFACE wrote:
Twulf wrote:

Does it have more Vehicles than BF3? I would be shocked if it did.

At least a similar amount, lets work it out shall we?

BF3:
2 kinds of Tanks (one per team)
2 kinds of APCs
1 of those ugly swimming tanks
3 Jets
4 Helicopters
2 Anti-Air Vehicles
and either 3 or 4 LAVs
Oh and 1 type of boat

Thats 18-19 kinds of vehicles

DUST514:
4 Tanks, plus 4 Marauders (Better higher skill requirement tanks)
4 Dropships and 4 more advanced versions
4 LAVs and 4 Advanced logi LAVs
4 Fighters
4 MTACs, Mech suit things

Now even if we dont count the advanced vehicles thats 20 Vehicles, and probobly more to come (good luck trying to capture an Oceanic planet without boats)


AND your forgetting that each of those tanks can be fix just as many different ways as eve ships. And aren't limited to one race weapon. So you can have a minmatar tank with ammar lasers. And you can use the minmatar tank for it's advanced speed. Or go ammar for a solid armor tank.

If eve could find it's niche, this game can find at least as many players. Come on now.



You can customize the vehicles in BF3 as well but I see that Dust has more then I first thought.
Twulf
Purple Void Corporation
LinkNet
#43 - 2012-07-12 13:37:49 UTC
Jayde Montefiore wrote:
Twulf wrote:

All you have to do is ask yourself a simple question.

Does Dust514 have the guns, features and maps to pull players from the Top FPS on the market. COD, BF3 and MOH?

I do not have the answer but answer that question and that will tell you if Dust will successed or fail.

Personally I believe BF3 is the best FPS on the market by far and the most fun game modes (Gun master anyone?)


I do think BF3 is "ONE" of the best FPS out there, but you quoting "Gun Master" to be the most fun game mode in BF3 makes me believe you are just a COD fanboi...which questions me your whole credibility.

CQC and Gun Master is only a tiny bit of offering in the BF3 setting, in fact, it's more akin to COD, and not what BF3 is actually like. Yeah, the new DLC is a change of pace and I don't think it's a bad thing, it's even quite enjoyable, but that's not what BF is exactly about.

Now go play Dust and tell me which of the games it's more like. And don't even begin with MOH...it's so insignificant at this point...The players Dust will draw is from the Mag crowd and the BF crowd. And I don't think Dust have any problem doing it as long as CCP fix many of the annoyances currently in Dust.

PS
If you don' t have an answer, you might as well shut up.



Sorry but Gun Master is nothing like COD. Not even a little bit. Gun Master is a great mode because it forces the players to be good at all the different weapon types.
DonHel
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#44 - 2012-07-12 15:11:42 UTC
Herr Hammer Draken wrote:
Twulf wrote:
Ranger 1 wrote:
Jame Jarl Retief wrote:
Ranger 1 wrote:

So... how do you like the Beta?

Oh wait... you haven't played it yet.

Next!


While I agree with general sentiment, you gotta admit that most gamers develop an innate "**** detector", especially when it comes to MMO or MP games, and can predict with an amazing degree of accuracy if/when it will flop, and how.

I know a guy who predicted down to a month when Age of Conan would go free to play, two years ahead of the actual event. I kid you not. I dare say most of us saw what would happen with SWTOR too. And while fanboys shouted us down, those same fanboys were some of the first people to jump ship when it started listing to port. And of course most of us have foreseen the predictable outcome of titles such as Mortal or Darkfall Online, there was never any doubt in the outcome.

I guess my point is, you don't need to have played a game to be able to predict with high degree of accuracy what would happen to it in near future. In Dust's case, it's an FPS game for consoles with a link to a cerebral MMO on PC. It's like putting an elevator in an outhouse - it don't belong.



So... you are asking me to believe that the opinion of people who haven't the slightest idea of what the actual game play is like have a more valid opinion than people who have actually played the game... and are insinuating that people who actually get involved in the beta are only fanbois who can not form an honest opinion?

Really? Big smileBig smileBig smile

At what point did your post actually make any sense to you what so ever...



All you have to do is ask yourself a simple question.

Does Dust514 have the guns, features and maps to pull players from the Top FPS on the market. COD, BF3 and MOH?

I do not have the answer but answer that question and that will tell you if Dust will successed or fail.

Personally I believe BF3 is the best FPS on the market by far and the most fun game modes (Gun master anyone?)



Do you understand what you are saying? You know of course that these FPS players are the most fickle group of gamers around. Here today gone tomorrow. They are not loyal to any game for very long. As soon as something new shows up off they go. It is the crowd mentality that is after cool effects and splashy game play. CCP can not hold their interest for long.
A game with great game play and story line is not what these guys want. So CCP is entering this market with a dichotomy of ideas, then add in presure for a hit game from sony, the head office and you have a recipe for disaster which could threaten to roll over into EVE. What does sony expect from DUST and how much of CCP's resources will they demand get used to make it a hit even if it flops or has no staying power? Will both companies misread the player base? I see a disaster mounting of epic proportions.

By dichotomy of game design ideas I present the skill tree which rewards patient players over a long period of time.
In dust they are marketing to instant gratification FPS players. How is that idea going to fly? It's not. Further CCP can not fix the lag issues in EVE with a 1 second request reply timer. Imagine a twitch game like a FPS! Yikes! Yep I see a disaster ahead.



As a console owner, and FPS player. There are only 2, yes 2 FPS that I have played for more then 2 hrs and still play to this day. If the content is good, and theres new stuff added over time, and the element of it being partnered with another online mmo this could actually do good and keep a loyal player base.. If 2 million people scoop up a copy of this, 3/4 quit after 3 months, your still left with 500k loyal players, thats not fail
Gillia Winddancer
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#45 - 2012-07-12 16:08:08 UTC
Let's not forget about the untested factor that Dust will introduce: namely that a player can become a somebody in it and make a name for him- or herself. This factor alone could attract tons of players all by itself. Assuming there are any console players that are willing to put a wee bit of effort that is.

Vanity and e-peen hunting are hardly rare traits amongst console gamers - or any gamers regardless of platform for that matter.
highonpop
KarmaFleet
Goonswarm Federation
#46 - 2012-07-12 16:11:02 UTC
Rats wrote:
Unless you don't own a console ...

Any other PC only players wish they had released it on this platform as well ?


Tal




Go away. So tired of hearing this. It was left off PC for the very special reason as to NOT take players from EVE.

EVE on PC
Dust on PS3

It brings both markets into the realm of CCP.


go DIAF

FC, what do?
Molinator Agnon
Oruze Cruise
#47 - 2012-07-12 16:55:54 UTC
My greatest hope for DUST 514 is that it makes CCP a whole bunch of money, which can in turn be pumped into improving the EVE universe.

Well that and I hope that the PS3 exclusivity is temporary and it comes to PC.
War Kitten
Panda McLegion
#48 - 2012-07-12 20:29:06 UTC
highonpop wrote:
Rats wrote:
Unless you don't own a console ...

Any other PC only players wish they had released it on this platform as well ?


Tal




Go away. So tired of hearing this. It was left off PC for the very special reason as to NOT take players from EVE.

EVE on PC
Dust on PS3

It brings both markets into the realm of CCP.


go DIAF


Stupid argument, unless you only play one game on the PC.

Even CCP people play Eve, and Starcraft, and WoT, and LoL, and ....

Why would Dust being on PC take anyone away from Eve? It would only strengthen the link.

So, you go away, and you go DIAF. (in game)

:)

I don't judge people by their race, religion, color, size, age, gender, or ethnicity. I judge them by their grammar, spelling, syntax, punctuation, clarity of expression, and logical consistency.
Rer Eirikr
The Scope
#49 - 2012-07-12 20:32:48 UTC
Why play DUST when you can play EVE and tell people who play DUST what to do? Pirate
Forum Foreplay
#50 - 2012-07-12 20:41:14 UTC
Rats wrote:
Unless you don't own a console ...

Any other PC only players wish they had released it on this platform as well ?


Tal



My RL friends all have xBox.

I'm dissapointed it is PS3 but not that it is not PC, FPS belongs on console, they just choose badly.

But hey, it is their paycheck to lose if they want to only support a small portion of the console market so be it.

Even a sandbox has borders to keep the sand inside...
Herr Hammer Draken
#51 - 2012-07-12 21:34:09 UTC
DonHel wrote:
Herr Hammer Draken wrote:
Twulf wrote:
Ranger 1 wrote:
[At what point did your post actually make any sense to you what so ever...



All you have to do is ask yourself a simple question.

Does Dust514 have the guns, features and maps to pull players from the Top FPS on the market. COD, BF3 and MOH?

I do not have the answer but answer that question and that will tell you if Dust will successed or fail.

Personally I believe BF3 is the best FPS on the market by far and the most fun game modes (Gun master anyone?)



Do you understand what you are saying? You know of course that these FPS players are the most fickle group of gamers around. Here today gone tomorrow. They are not loyal to any game for very long. As soon as something new shows up off they go. It is the crowd mentality that is after cool effects and splashy game play. CCP can not hold their interest for long.
A game with great game play and story line is not what these guys want. So CCP is entering this market with a dichotomy of ideas, then add in presure for a hit game from sony, the head office and you have a recipe for disaster which could threaten to roll over into EVE. What does sony expect from DUST and how much of CCP's resources will they demand get used to make it a hit even if it flops or has no staying power? Will both companies misread the player base? I see a disaster mounting of epic proportions.

By dichotomy of game design ideas I present the skill tree which rewards patient players over a long period of time.
In dust they are marketing to instant gratification FPS players. How is that idea going to fly? It's not. Further CCP can not fix the lag issues in EVE with a 1 second request reply timer. Imagine a twitch game like a FPS! Yikes! Yep I see a disaster ahead.



As a console owner, and FPS player. There are only 2, yes 2 FPS that I have played for more then 2 hrs and still play to this day. If the content is good, and theres new stuff added over time, and the element of it being partnered with another online mmo this could actually do good and keep a loyal player base.. If 2 million people scoop up a copy of this, 3/4 quit after 3 months, your still left with 500k loyal players, thats not fail


That is pretty much the way I see it going as well. Maybe 500k loyal players is a bit strong but something like that. I think about 100k of those players will come from EVE itself though. Can not play both games at the same time now. So watch for EVE to lose some 100k players after Dust launches. Sure they might log on once in a while to EVE maybe to support a ground mission but that will have some impact on EVE population.

Herr Hammer Draken "The Amarr Prophet"
Twulf
Purple Void Corporation
LinkNet
#52 - 2012-07-12 21:50:56 UTC
Forum Foreplay wrote:
Rats wrote:
Unless you don't own a console ...

Any other PC only players wish they had released it on this platform as well ?


Tal



My RL friends all have xBox.

I'm dissapointed it is PS3 but not that it is not PC, FPS belongs on console, they just choose badly.

But hey, it is their paycheck to lose if they want to only support a small portion of the console market so be it.


FPS do not belong on Consoles, Consoles should be for sports, Air combat and racing games. PC for everything else.
There is a reason PC players are not allowed to play on the same servers as console players when it comes to FPS and that reason is PC gamers kick the crap out of console gamers because the mouse and keyboard smoke a console controllers.
Beekeeper Bob
Beekeepers Anonymous
#53 - 2012-07-12 21:51:30 UTC
I for one wonder how FPS'ers will take to metagaming and being scammed.....I forsee some real screaming when that happens...Cool

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Danfen Fenix
#54 - 2012-07-12 22:02:27 UTC
Forum Foreplay wrote:
Rats wrote:
Unless you don't own a console ...

Any other PC only players wish they had released it on this platform as well ?


Tal



My RL friends all have xBox.

I'm dissapointed it is PS3 but not that it is not PC, FPS belongs on console, they just choose badly.

But hey, it is their paycheck to lose if they want to only support a small portion of the console market so be it.


AFAIK they did try MS...but they couldn't get the agreement that they would need to make Dust work. Blame MS for that P
Zanzbar
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#55 - 2012-07-15 18:01:06 UTC
Twulf wrote:
Zanzbar wrote:
War Kitten wrote:
Patrakele wrote:
Not on PC?


NO DEAL!


This.

Love first person shooters, love Eve.

Won't play either of them on a stupid console controller.


Its going to have full mouse and keyboard support.


Every try to use a keyboard and mouse on PS3? If not give it a shot and tell me how it works. Its great for web browsing not so great for gaming on the PS3. Not designed for mouse and keyboard.


Bit late responding but dont overlook that dust is built on the unreal engine partialy due to unreal haveing full antive keyboard and mouse support rather then relying on a half baked keyboard and mouse supprt that's ben jamed into a console specific engine. Just because some games suck on ps3 with keyboard and mouse support dosnt mean they all will and nobody can judge dust kbm support until they have used it and even then there's that damn nda
Beekeeper Bob
Beekeepers Anonymous
#56 - 2012-07-15 19:44:37 UTC
DonHel wrote:



SNIP.................





2 million, lol you are so dreaming....but keep hoping this won't end up a big bucket of fail....Lol

Signature removed - CCP Eterne
Rats
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#57 - 2012-07-16 13:35:51 UTC
highonpop wrote:
Rats wrote:
Unless you don't own a console ...

Any other PC only players wish they had released it on this platform as well ?


Tal




Go away. So tired of hearing this. It was left off PC for the very special reason as to NOT take players from EVE.

EVE on PC
Dust on PS3

It brings both markets into the realm of CCP.


go DIAF



So you want me to "die in a fire" because I said I wanted to see this on a PC ? You have issues and need to see a shrink my friend.


I don't know why you think bringing Eve to a PC is a bad thing and excludes consoles somehow ? they would actually increase sales as the game is probably more relevant to Eve players than anyone else.

Go see a doctor.

Tal

I Fought the Law, and the Law Won... Talon Silverhawk
Velarra
#58 - 2012-07-16 15:10:00 UTC
Twulf wrote:
Air combat and racing games. PC for everything else.


Vibrant PC based Air Combat games impossible to realistically replicate on any console include yet by no means are limited to Falcon 4: Allied Force, or even FF 5.5 and the various forks spawned. Lock On: Moderan Air Combat & Flaming Cliffs 2, DCS Black Shark [featuring the KA-50 !! ], and Il2 Sturmovik. PC racing includes such good stuff as rFactor, X Motor Racing and VGP3.
... Yet this isn't OOPE, so i'll stop listing other games. If anything - there really are plenty more games that can only really be appreciated & run on a PC as opposed to the constrictions a console makes on development.
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